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CraytonRoberts
04-05-2004, 07:58 PM
Just arbitrarily,no and then, while flying (eg P51) I get the msg "flaps jammed". Is there a command whereby flaps can be raised or lowered manually? I recall there was a way in IL2 to raise the I-16 GEAR manually.
Bob Roberts

CraytonRoberts
04-05-2004, 07:58 PM
Just arbitrarily,no and then, while flying (eg P51) I get the msg "flaps jammed". Is there a command whereby flaps can be raised or lowered manually? I recall there was a way in IL2 to raise the I-16 GEAR manually.
Bob Roberts

FI-Aflak
04-05-2004, 08:19 PM
I don't think so. "Flaps Jammed" means that the pressure of the high speed air has caused some part of the mechanism to fail (you get it when you lower them at high speeds).

By fail I mean some strut is bent or broken and the flaps are frozen in place.

I would like to see some changes added to that, though, like having a flaps jammed message being followed by the flaps returning to 'raised' position. I mean, if the wind is strong enough to break them, you think it would also be strong enough to force them back to the raised position.

I would also like to see flaps on one wing getting jammed/damaged independantly of the flaps on the other wing.

I think those would be two nice touches, to add to the already long lists of little gems this sim has to offer where you don't expect them.

CraytonRoberts
04-05-2004, 08:23 PM
Good idea. However, if I recall correctly, the I-16 gear raising situation wasn't listed in commands, and was "fixed" later. Perhaps some clever guy could suggest a way, tho it seems doubtful.

Xnomad
04-06-2004, 02:17 AM
I only seem to get flaps jammed in VVS aircraft. The flaps take so long to deploy in some of the Russian aircraft, as I like to use combat flaps in a dogfight I sometimes lose track at what setting I am on and you hear the tssssssssss noise as they deploy then they get stuck and for the next half hour all you hear is tsssssssssssss. Surely it's a bug if the flaps are wrecked then the hydraulics should shut up?

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ELEM
04-06-2004, 03:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI-Aflak:
I would also like to see flaps on one wing getting jammed/damaged independantly of the flaps on the other wing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is not possible. The flaps are linked mechanically and have a synchronisation mechanism to prevent just this situation. Flaps are a large surface area and have a huge effect on airflow. If the flap angle was different from one side to the other by more than about 3 degrees you would have an uncontrollable roll situation. So the mechanism is designed to freeze where they are if they are detected to be unsynchronised. The actuation system in many a/c of this period was pneumatic rather that hydraulic, but I couldn't say which a/c had which.

Jammed flaps are exactly that, and cannot be corrected until back on the ground. There should be a flap limiting speed placard next to the flap lever. Cant recollect seeing one though.

As for the I-16 landing gear, they have always been mechanically raised/lowered. Other a/c with hydraulic retraction systems would have a mechanical back up and this can be used with the same keys allotted to the I-16's gear.

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Dunkelgrun
04-06-2004, 04:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
I only seem to get flaps jammed in VVS aircraft.
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I can jam the flaps quite easily in the Me163 due to its high speed, so it's not just VVS.
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Tully__
04-06-2004, 05:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CraytonRoberts:
Good idea. However, if I recall correctly, the I-16 gear raising situation wasn't listed in commands, and was "fixed" later. Perhaps some clever guy could suggest a way, tho it seems doubtful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As no aircraft were manual only in the original game, there is no default key assignment for manual gear control, but the I-16 was always manaul only.

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Tully__
04-06-2004, 05:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
The flaps take so long to deploy in some of the ... aircraft <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If flaps are taking a long time to deploy, you're going too fast when you deploy them. The deployment system doesn't have the power to extend them against a high speed airstream and will continue to work on extending them until you slow down or raise flaps.

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Saburo_0
04-09-2004, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>[QUOTE]Originally posted by FI-Aflak:


As for the I-16 landing gear, they have always been mechanically raised/lowered. Other a/c with hydraulic retraction systems would have a mechanical back up and this can be used with the same keys allotted to the I-16's gear.


http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/I-16_desktop.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i didn't know the manual worked on other aircraft? I tried it atleast once when my gear was damged & it didn't work, hmm now how can i get shot & not die so i can check this out again!?!