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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:46 PM
I'm looking for a cheap stick/throttle combo for LO:MAC. I'd like to know what you think about the X45.

Specifically, I'd like to know about the stick and throttle smoothness/resistance, stick size/comfort and the button and switch ease of use.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:46 PM
I'm looking for a cheap stick/throttle combo for LO:MAC. I'd like to know what you think about the X45.

Specifically, I'd like to know about the stick and throttle smoothness/resistance, stick size/comfort and the button and switch ease of use.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 07:07 PM
Hi Fennec,

I use it and i'm very satisfied with it. The new SST software makes it easy to program and map (all axis and wheels). The resistance is firm but not to firm and the throttle has a retention screw underneath to adjust the force needed to pull/push. The only problem is that i have small hands and thus had to add a little "cussion" on the palm rest of the stick to reach the buttons on top.

IMHO its OK, good "bang for the buck" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Message Edited on 07/28/0306:08PM by JG301_HP

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 07:11 PM
Cheap HOTAS out there. I use it and no problems. But small % of people don't like it but most of them are non X-45 users /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 07:29 PM
I own an X45 and stand by it. It's a great value for the money. It's not the only HOTAS out there for under $100 U.S. but it's got many more features and buttons than competitors in its class. I assume Pro and Cougar are superior, but the cost is prohibitive. It's got tons of features it's got 8 buttons, two rotaries, two toggle switches, four hats, and four axis. It's got three modes so each button can hold three different assignments plus a shift key for a total of six assignments each. The programming software is finally up to date w/ XP and it allows you to do much more than assign simple key presses. You can assign a series of keys (useful for com commands) or design Macros (like typing in console commands w/ a single key press).

All is not perfect however. The rudder rocker is in an awful position under the throttle and can cause hand cramps. (Many reverse the throttle axis so you pull back to increase power, and this makes it more comfortable, or simply assign it to something else and get rudder pedals). Also the stick is not constructed to the highest standards and I have doubts about its longevity. Still @ around $70 U.S. you could by several x45's cheaper than a single cougar. Another drawback is the stick is loose around the center. Many dislike this and it can be overcome by modification, dead bands, or simple acclimation.

Also get in touch w/ bearcat99, he usually posts a link to a place were you can buy reconditioned X45's for cheap.




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adlabs6
07-28-2003, 08:37 PM
I like my X-45.

The stick tension is higher than most others, but not as firm as a cougar. The throttle tension is adjustable via a small screw on the bottom of the throttle base, has a good range of tensions to pick from. Buttons seem solid, rotaries on the throttle are very solid, and detent at their centers. The stick has a reasonably heavy base, and tends to stay still in use, though I have added some rubber feet to the bottom, they are a bit more sticky than the stock feet. The mouse movement on hatstick is very usable IMO, I use it now for my FB looking instead of padlock.

I have mid size hands, and have no troubles reaching any of the buttons, and the rudder rocker feels great for me also.

I've not tried the Saitek drivers, they didn't work well back when I got my X-45. I've used Dauzimmer/Hazardscript with no problems since day one.



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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 08:43 PM
Hey, I just bought one! Have just installed it, didn´t use the cd that come with it, downloaded the newer drivers from saitek instead. Is there anyone with a good profile for the stick out there? I think I have the SST drivers so I use the latest official drivers from saitek, no thirdparty drivers. Thanx for help!!


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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 09:39 PM
I got one for my Birthday in June and I am enjoying it. It has taken some reall getting used to. I map the cannon to the pinky trigger instead of the covered button. The reach up wa a little tough. I have it mapped to bail out.

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 09:47 PM
I have one for over a year. Like the guys have said, good resistance, strong construction.

Never spotted the retention screw /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif My throttle just got nice and tight, like I always wanted it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Ty sir!

One thing - like someone else said, if you have small hands, maybe try it out in the strore first. I have normal/average sized hands and have no problem but I've heard that some of the buttons can be a bit of a stretch - especially the firing button on the front of the stick head.

My main trigger button died after around 6 months of CONSTANT use - but because there are so many programable buttons I simply switched to another /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif And saved myself repetitve strain injury /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Worth the money without a doubt. I go through sticks - or at least I uased to - every three or four months - but this has stood the test of time so far...

Go for it!

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 09:48 PM
Good value HOTAS for the money.

I have an X36 (the forerunner of the x45), got a little sloppy around the center, got a COUGAR as a gift, so i shelvedd it as a backup HOTAS. Cougar Pot died, hooked up the x36 and still like it, in spite of the sloppiness.

The newest drivers/programming software from Saitek finally works with XP (hooray!). DO NOT INSTALL OUT OF THE BOX DRIVERS. Get the new ones from www.saitek.com (http://www.saitek.com).
BTW I use it with CH Pro Pedals USB, I mapped the rocker rudder on the throttle to the supercharger stages http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 11:15 PM
As many people have said - great value for the money and not a bad stick at all IMO. I personally love it.

I for one haven't even tried the 3rd party drivers, I never had any problems with the original ones. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Highly recommended. Considering that you will be using it for LO:MAC, I think the lack of force feedback is not a big deal, since most planes nowadays (if not all) are FBW.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 11:25 PM
Got it, like it.

Can't think of another HOTAS with same features at same pricepoint.

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 02:09 AM
I've been using the x45 for over a year now and I love it.
It is a little tight when you first get it but after a few weeks and by putting some grease on the stick under the spring it is great...

I have tried to use other sticks and my friend houses , and I can even fly with them .. Also I use rudder peddal insted of the rudder on the Hotas , and that made it about as good as it can get..

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 02:34 AM
I just got it, and I have to say, that after using the single joystick with the z-axis twist, it was a big change. But, now that I have mastered it, it took me a souple weeks, it is one of the best flight controller I have ever had, I would definitely recommend it. The part that sold me, is the ability to put every thing you need right on the throttle or stick, I never have to touch the keyboard. Plus the rudder system on the x45 is lethal when mastered. Anyway, if you are thinking of getting a HOTAS for LO:MAC, I think the x45 is the best choice. LO:MAC is another reason I bought it, I can't wait for that game.

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 03:22 AM
I've had four three different types of stick over the years and the X45 leaves the others in the dust.

Some people complain that the stick is too big and you can't reach all the buttons. I've never found that: you just have to ignore the hand rest at the bottom of the stick and keep your hand at the top of it.

I found the stick a little stiff, but you can reduce the centering force with a couple of cable ties around the spring coils - you can then fine tune the centering force by moving the cable ties close together (stiffer) or diametrically opposite each other (looser).





Message Edited on 07/29/0303:23AM by mikeyg007

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:14 AM
The best money can bye. Other sticks like the FF2 do not have enough buttons. I love mine. GET ONE NOW. You will love it. I put Vaseline on the bottom of the cup and cleaned off the residue with a washcloth. This kept it nice an slick. It is a bit stiff and take a little getting used to but, if I could only count the victims that fell to the X45.....

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 03:28 PM
I use an X45 and a MSFFB in conjunction with each other and a set of CH pedals. The best of both worlds IMO. The X45 is the best joystick you can get for your money bar none. The FFB adds a touch of realism to the control surfaces... If you decide to use two sticks just hook them up and set them in the HOTAS section..although I did create profiles for both sticks using the software.. The X45 has more buttons than you can shake a stick at and for a jet sim it is perfect. I dont even use all six modes. I use the Saitek stick just for it's buttons and the MSFFB for controls and weps and prop pitch. Great combo... If you cant or dont want to do that then the X45 alone is a great stick. The only thing i didnt like about it was that it didnt have FFB and that problem is solved by using the MS stick.

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