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toolbandfan
06-18-2004, 09:17 PM
Hello everyone, i'm new to IL-2. Just picked that up and Lock On: Modern air combat. Trying to get into sim games, and these two I were told were great choices. Anyways, I don't currently have a joystick, so I was wondering if there was a way I could fly in IL-2 with a mouse instead? I know mouse look is enabled with the camera views, but how can I disable that and use the mouse to control my plane? It would make things a lot easier then having to use the arrow keys. Thanks!

toolbandfan
06-18-2004, 09:17 PM
Hello everyone, i'm new to IL-2. Just picked that up and Lock On: Modern air combat. Trying to get into sim games, and these two I were told were great choices. Anyways, I don't currently have a joystick, so I was wondering if there was a way I could fly in IL-2 with a mouse instead? I know mouse look is enabled with the camera views, but how can I disable that and use the mouse to control my plane? It would make things a lot easier then having to use the arrow keys. Thanks!

arcadeace
06-18-2004, 09:38 PM
Get a joystick. The flight dynamics are too sophisticated to enjoy without one.

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toolbandfan
06-18-2004, 09:38 PM
I said I am, but until then is there anyway I can use a mouse?

LStarosta
06-18-2004, 09:42 PM
Don't do it. These sims are frustrating enough to newbies who fly with joysticks. You don't want to make it harder for yourself. If you don't want to spend too much on a joystick, I recommend you ATLEAST get a twist-stick for rudder control. You absolutely need it for deflection shooting, strafing, and in general, it's a great tool to have. I recommend steering clear of Logitech joysticks, however. I had 3 of these, and I ended up returning all of them because of the same reason: they wouldn't hold zero, and they'd behave erratically. A good choice in the same price range would be the Saitek Cyborg Evo. It costs only about $40. May take a while to get used to its somewhat unusual shape, but it's designed to be customized to the size and shape of your hand. Unlike most of the Logitechs, this joystick seems to be more "precise" and sensitive because it's very light and easy to move. Doesn't require as much effort to use it. Then again, if you're willing to spend a few more bucks, the X45 is a good choice, or so I've heard.


Anyway, whatever you decide to do, PLEASE get a joystick! If not you run the risk of NOT ENJOYING FLIGHT SIMMING AT ALL! You wouldn't want that to happen, would you?

steve_v
06-18-2004, 10:07 PM
That is not an option in FB. Keyboard or joystick only.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by toolbandfan:
. . .is there anyway I can use a mouse?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

toolbandfan
06-18-2004, 10:34 PM
ok ok ok! I get the message, I will get a joystick as soon as possible. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

maxim26
06-18-2004, 10:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve_v:
That is not an option in FB. Keyboard or joystick only.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by toolbandfan:
. . .is there anyway I can use a mouse?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is option. You can control pitch and roll with mouse. To do so, you need to install special software. I never used it and cant tell its name right now.

But, it's better to start with joystick anyway.

Mitlov47
06-19-2004, 01:05 AM
Trying to enjoy a flight sim without a joystick is like trying to enjoy sex without...well, a joystick.

I second the suggestion for the Saitek Cyborg Evo. I have one, it works great, and it was inexpensive. Don't buy a Logitech, especially not the "wingman extreme." Is that "extreme" short for "extremely inaccurate rudder control"? I think it is.

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JG52-6High
06-19-2004, 02:50 AM
Logitech= http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

VF-17_Jolly
06-19-2004, 04:14 AM
saitek http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

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SeaFireLIV
06-19-2004, 05:41 AM
Ahhh... poor Logitech. They`re not that bad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif But there is better. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

Tully__
06-19-2004, 05:48 AM
Saitek
Thrustmaster
CH Products

Try as many as you can get your hands on and buy the one that you like best within your budget. Spend at least US$40 and you'll get something good enough.

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DmdSeeker
06-19-2004, 11:49 AM
Tully;
I notice you've got an X45 profile in your sig using the "SST" drivers.

What are they; and what's the advantage over the standard software?

I'm having a bit of bother with the standard programming software: The pinkie (shift) switch is producing a letter Z when I download a profile to the stick; it doesn't do it if I unload a profile (profile is set to pinkie = shift button; non latched). Any advice?

Sam_the_greek
06-19-2004, 02:13 PM
I have a Sidewinder Precision 2 and I like it. It gets the job done very nicely if I do say so myself. But I agree that Thrustmaster is better. They didn't have one in stock when I was shopping, so I got the Sidewinder instead.

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CPS_Lav69
06-19-2004, 02:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sam_the_greek:
I have a Sidewinder Precision 2 and I like it. It gets the job done very nicely if I do say so myself. But I agree that Thrustmaster is better. They didn't have one in stock when I was shopping, so I got the Sidewinder instead.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your lucky to have gotten the sidewinder, because microsoft is now out of the gaming controller market.

Martial1
06-19-2004, 05:06 PM
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Tully__
06-19-2004, 10:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
Tully;
I notice you've got an X45 profile in your sig using the "SST" drivers.

What are they; and what's the advantage over the standard software?

I'm having a bit of bother with the standard programming software: The pinkie (shift) switch is producing a letter Z when I download a profile to the stick; it doesn't do it if I unload a profile (profile is set to pinkie = shift button; non latched). Any advice?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SST is the latest Saitek driver. I specify coz many on this forum know that I've also used Dhauzimmer's drivers with HazardScript or XDProfile profiles in the past and I don't want anyone being confused about what they're downloading.

If you'd like more info about D's drivers you can have a browse through Ron Hunt's Unofficial Saitek Help Center (http://saitekhelp.simhq.com/) and SimHQ's Saitek Hardware Forum (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=79). Ron Hunt's site is not updated that often, but the basics are sound enough. Before actually starting out installing Dhauzimmer's, post at the SimHQ forum asking for the latest advice.

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[This message was edited by Tully__ on Sat June 19 2004 at 11:11 PM.]

DmdSeeker
06-20-2004, 09:15 AM
Thanks Tully.

I fugured out the pinky thing; but after coming from a Cougar the standard software seems a bit limited :-)

Thx for the links :-)

ASM 1
06-20-2004, 10:02 AM
also getting my plug in for the sidewinders - have had a Precision 2, then I bought an FFB2 a year ago when I heard that M$ were dropping them (and have just bought another http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) - my precision 2 has gone to my six year old nephew. rock solid sticks - the FFB is great http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif get one of ebay if you can.

Of course not having used anything else, (apart from a really cr@ppy Quickshot gameport job aeons ago) you could say I am biased http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Am gonna get the X45 at some pooint to use the throttle with my FFB2..... provided I can find one cheap enough http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

the mouse (wheel) I just use for throttle (have elevator trim mapped to the throttle slider on the FFB 2 and views (its a trackball)

Hope this helps

S!

Andrew

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