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Manreaper
06-10-2004, 08:06 AM
Hi,
I have heard of a move called a Rope-a-Dope, could somebody please explain what it is and how you do it?
Thanks for any help!

Manreaper
06-10-2004, 08:06 AM
Hi,
I have heard of a move called a Rope-a-Dope, could somebody please explain what it is and how you do it?
Thanks for any help!

Tully__
06-10-2004, 08:11 AM
It's a team effort. You fly invitingly just out of range of a bad guy, he follows you, you lead him in front of your wingman's guns, your wingman shoots him down. Couldn't be simpler (assuming you have someone willing to play target and his wingman is quick at getting on the badguy and shooting him down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

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Obi_Kwiet
06-10-2004, 08:20 AM
This the favrote manuver of the AI in any sim I have ever seen. One plane in front, 3 in back, your allies AWOL.

BitwiseOp
06-10-2004, 08:56 AM
It's also referred to as the 'Drag and Bag' tactic.

WWSensei
06-10-2004, 09:32 AM
Ummm, picking nits but Rope-a-dope refers to vertically climbing knowing your opponent will stall first and you can rudder over and drop a hammer on him.

The technique the others described is formerly known as a "Lead and Bracket" but has also been called the "Drag-and-Bag" or "Walking The Dog"...

PBNA-Boosher
06-10-2004, 10:48 AM
Sorry Sensei, but you are wrong! The "hammerhead" maneuver is the one where you climb vertically, then kick over the rudder. The Drag and Bag maneuver is the Rope a Dope

Heavy_Weather
06-10-2004, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
This the favrote manuver of the AI in any sim I have ever seen. One plane in front, 3 in back, your allies AWOL.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif couldnt agree more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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HARD_Sarge
06-10-2004, 11:13 AM
the rope a dope, that I have alway heard, used

is to suck somebody in, who is low on E, to follow you into a steep climb, while you still have enough E to control the fight

if you time it right, the other guy stalls and "floats" as you come back over the top and get a easy shot

you normally want a good/great climbing plane or one that is good at hanging on it's prop

in a online sim like Fighter Ace it is much easyer to pull off then in IL-2 FB

HARD_Sarge

Jetbuff
06-10-2004, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Sorry Sensei, but you are wrong! The "hammerhead" maneuver is the one where you climb vertically, then kick over the rudder. The Drag and Bag maneuver is the Rope a Dope<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually Sensei is right. A hammerhead is one type of rope-a-dope. The more common variety is the spiral-climb. All rope-a-dopes are singular efforts where you feign being "on the ropes" until an over-confident enemy over-commits and runs out of E at which point you drop the mask and come about guns ablazin'.

The Drag n' bag is, by necessity, a 2v1 maneuver. The thatch-weave is a 2v2 (or more) variation of the same. Neither is in any way related to the rope-a-dope.

PS: Sensei's an F-16 pilot IIRC, so I wouldn't be arguing with him on fighter combat tactics.

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El Turo
06-10-2004, 12:17 PM
Rope-a-dope is a description of tactics/strategy.

Hammerhead is a description of manuever.

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Mitlov47
06-10-2004, 12:34 PM
Rope-a-dope is staying on the ropes, letting George Foreman pummel you for several rounds while you keep your guard up. Taunt him as often aspossible. Let him get angry and waste energy. Let him think he's beating you. When he's worn down, Drop your 100% defensive stance and knock the mofo down, making "the Rumble in the Jungle" one of the most exciting boxing matches ever.

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KarayaEine
06-10-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
This the favrote manuver of the AI in any sim I have ever seen. One plane in front, 3 in back, your allies AWOL.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy, ain't that the truth... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Xnomad
06-10-2004, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jetbuff:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Sorry Sensei, but you are wrong! The "hammerhead" maneuver is the one where you climb vertically, then kick over the rudder. The Drag and Bag maneuver is the Rope a Dope<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually Sensei is right. A hammerhead is one type of rope-a-dope. The more common variety is the spiral-climb. All rope-a-dopes are singular efforts where you feign being "on the ropes" until an over-confident enemy over-commits and runs out of E at which point you drop the mask and come about guns ablazin'.

The Drag n' bag is, by necessity, a 2v1 maneuver. The thatch-weave is a 2v2 (or more) variation of the same. Neither is in any way related to the rope-a-dope.

PS: Sensei's an F-16 pilot IIRC, so I wouldn't be arguing with him on fighter combat tactics.

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Yup I was going to say the same.

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