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Chuck_Older
08-13-2004, 04:29 PM
I got my F-51D pilot's manual from Historic Aviation. 15 bucks US plus shipping.

It is a reprint of the 1954 manual issued to Mustang pilots.

All Mustang fans should drop the dough on this manual. It's well worth it for this handbook. It tells you how to fly the plane...and a whole lot more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif fascinating reading as well.

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Chuck_Older
08-13-2004, 04:29 PM
I got my F-51D pilot's manual from Historic Aviation. 15 bucks US plus shipping.

It is a reprint of the 1954 manual issued to Mustang pilots.

All Mustang fans should drop the dough on this manual. It's well worth it for this handbook. It tells you how to fly the plane...and a whole lot more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif fascinating reading as well.

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~ Clash

gates123
08-13-2004, 04:38 PM
Does it say anything about the wing snaping off before 7g blackout conditions? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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Did anyone see that or was it just me?

lbhskier37
08-13-2004, 04:45 PM
Im sure Oleg could stiffen up the control response for you guys so you stop pulling 15Gs and ripping off your wings.

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Maple_Tiger
08-13-2004, 05:07 PM
I would welcome some compressionablity.

and gates, negative trim helps dude. It will not cure it, but atleast when you pull on the stick just a little at 800km/h, the wing will not fall off as quick lol.

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Chuck_Older
08-13-2004, 06:31 PM
According to figure 5-2 on page 69, 8.0g is the limit load factor, at 505 mph.
-4.0g is the limit ngative load factor, again at 505 mph, which by the way, is also listed in the manual as the aircraft's dive limit speed. (at 8,000lbs weight)

Of course, wartime manuevers would routinely exceed these limits, I should think.

Other intersting info-

best power-off glide height, speed, and ground distance: 40,000 feet at an IAS of 175 mph would allow you to glide 115 miles (no wind conditions)

95 mph IAS minimum takeoff speed

1100 feet minimum distance (in most favorable conditions) to leave runway surface
1850 feet to clear 50 foot high obstacle after minimum takeoff roll (1100 feet)

170 mph IAS best climb (clean, 10K pound takeoff weight)

Do not load M-8 pyrotechnic pistol (flare gun) unless M-8 pistol is in it's mount, as no safety is provided

F-51D will sink in approximately two seconds if a forced water landing is made

For a forced water landing, strike surface of water with one wingtip low; kick inside rudder to slew aircraft around into water

Do not release bombs when sideslipping more than 5 degrees as a chance exists of striking the bomb(s) with the propeller (!)

inverted flight limited to 10 seconds due to oil scavenge pump starvation

no intentional power-off spins under 12K feet permitted

no aerobatics permitted with fuel in fuselage tank

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Chuck_Older
08-13-2004, 06:37 PM
oh-
Spin recovery is clearly mentioned as a strictly closed throttle operation, in case any of the 'how to recover from a spin in P-51" question comes up again. In FB, maybe full throttle works, but in real life, the flight handbook says: throttle closed or you will make a nice hole in the ground!

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Chuck_Older
08-14-2004, 06:45 AM
bumping this for the Mustang fans http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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The manual lists elevator failure as a possibilty in over 6g pullout conditions, not wing failure. essentially the elevators could shear off, not the wings, according to what I have read so far.

This is as fatal as the loss of one or both wings. Seems the damage you see is wrong but the effect is right. 8g pullouts are possible in FB, I have done this in the Mustang many times (with plane intact after) but you must remember that 8g pullouts were not only not usual but also there's no stick forces on your at-home joystick. I have made p-51 wings snap off in high speed dives, too- i had to TRY to do it. I had to work at it, because I knew not not to yank and crank the stick. The real plane would take many thousands of feet to do a high speed pullout. Similar to the spin condition where 12K feet was needed for recovery. i think if you set up your sticks to relflect real settings (many threads on this) and don't haul back on the stick with constant pressure at 600mph in an 80* dive, you will land more often http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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