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christopher65
05-10-2004, 08:32 AM
Have just been reading a bit about this plane-cant remember the full name-and thought to myself,would it not be more relevant to fb than the 109z???
From what i read there were about 30 built and some saw active service.If anyone can give me more info that would be great!!!!
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christopher65
05-10-2004, 08:32 AM
Have just been reading a bit about this plane-cant remember the full name-and thought to myself,would it not be more relevant to fb than the 109z???
From what i read there were about 30 built and some saw active service.If anyone can give me more info that would be great!!!!
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Cpt.Confidence
05-10-2004, 08:35 AM
P-82 or F-82 depending on the year. Called the Twin Mustang.

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ELEM
05-10-2004, 08:35 AM
You mean the F-82 Twin Mustang.

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/post_war/f82/f82_en.htm

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-10-2004, 08:54 AM
Yep The F-82, and it was used primarily as a night fighter and was responsible for the first American air-to-air kill in Korea. (can't remember though if it was a Yak9 or La9)



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LeadSpitter_
05-10-2004, 09:16 AM
there should be only 4 twin boomed aircraft in this sim,

p38
p82
fw189
and the polish had a twin boom bomber as well which looked somewhat like the fw189

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Cpt.Confidence
05-10-2004, 09:48 AM
Quote-
there should be only 4 twin boomed aircraft in this sim,

p38
p82
fw189
and the polish had a twin boom bomber as well which looked somewhat like the fw189

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I think it was the Fokker G.I

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Cpt.Confidence
05-10-2004, 09:51 AM
No, never mind, it was something else. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But the Dutch had the Fokker. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Liberi_Fatali
05-10-2004, 09:58 AM
i would love that one in the game...it saw action in the invasion 10th of may 1940...64 years ago... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif maybe something for BoB? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LeadSpitter_
05-10-2004, 10:00 AM
my mistake you is right, orange triangle outlined in black marking. I remember reading somewhere along time ago it was a very effective aircraft. There are to many aircraft to remember them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Huckebein_UK
05-10-2004, 10:16 AM
I think the P-82 would be better placed in PF than FB...

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lil_labbit
05-10-2004, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
there should be only 4 twin boomed aircraft in this sim,

p38
p82
fw189
and the polish had a twin boom bomber as well which looked somewhat like the fw189

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Five...
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Fokker g1a

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-10-2004, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huckebein_UK:
I think the P-82 would be better placed in PF than FB...
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Agreed.



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Platypus_1.JaVA
05-10-2004, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
my mistake you is right, orange triangle outlined in black marking. I remember reading somewhere along time ago it was a very effective aircraft. There are to many aircraft to remember them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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My hart jumped when someone mentioned the Fokker G.1 in POLISH service, almost a disgrace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyways, The G.1 was indeed a very effective aircraft, in theory. With 8X7.92mm (comparable to 0.303") guns in the nose. But, most of our G.1's where destroyed on the ground in the first German attack. The Fokker D.XXI was the real hero and workhorse of the LVA (Aviation department of the army) in may 1940.

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DeerHunterUK
05-10-2004, 02:50 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a D.H. Vampire ingame. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Skarphol
05-10-2004, 02:52 PM
This is shamelessly stolen from the excellent pages of Joe Baugher:

"The first Twin Mustangs began to reach the squadrons during 1948. In June of that year, the P-designation was changed to F, and the Twin Mustang became F-82 rather than P-82. The F-82E entered service in the long-range bomber escort role with the 27th Fighter Group (522nd, 523rd, and 524th Squadrons) of the Strategic Air Command. They spent their brief life flying alongside B-29s, and were replaced by jets in 1950.

In 1948, the F and G night-fighter versions of the Twin Mustang began to replace the Northrop F-61 Black Widow in service with the Air Defense Command. They were painted all-black and had flame-damped exhausts. The first Air Defense Command unit to take delivery of the F-82F was the 325th Fighter Group (317th, 318th, and 319th Squadrons) based at both Hamilton Field, California and McChord AFB, Washington, the 51st Fighter Group (16th, 25th, and 26th Squadrons) and the 52nd Fighter Group (2nd and 5th Squadrons) based at Mitchel AFB and McGuire AFB, New Jersey. In 1949, the 347th Fighter Group (4th, 68th, and 339th Squadrons) stationed in Japan received F-82Gs. The 449th Squadron of the 5001st Composite Group based at Ladd AFB in Alaska received the "cold-weather F-82Hs.

By the middle of 1949, the Twin Mustang was in widespread service, some 225 E, F, and G models being on strength. It was anticipated that the service life of the Twin Mustang would be relatively brief, since the F-82 was seen as only an interim type, filling in the gap only until adequate numbers of jet fighters could be made available. In 1950, some units based in the USA were already beginning to replace their Twin Mustangs with jets.

On June 25, 1950, the Korean War broke out. The Twin Mustangs based in Japan were immediately thrown into combat to stem the North Korean advance. They were the only fighter aircraft available with the range to cover the entire Korean peninsula from bases in Japan. They provided fighter cover for the C-54 and C-47 transports flying in and out of Kimpo Airfield near Seoul. On June 27, 1950, an F-82G (46-383) of the 68th Fighter Squadron of the 347th Fighter Group flown by Lieut. William Hudson (pilot) and Lieut. Carl Fraser (radar operator) shot down a North Korean Yak-7U. This was the first air-to-air kill of the Korean War, and, incidentally, the first aerial victory by the newly-formed United States Air Force. Squadron records have been lost, and memory is unreliable, and it is possible that Lt. Hudson was actually flying 46-601 that day. Later that same day, an F-82G (46-392) flown by Major James Little of the 339th Fighter Squadron of the 347th Fighter Group shot down a North Korean Yak-9. Records are unreliable, and some experts maintain that Major Little actually was the first to kill.

The Twin Mustang saw extensive service in Korea until November of 1951, serving in both escort and ground attack roles. However, the F-82 played a secondary role as compared with its distinguished predecessor, the single-engined F-51. As more jets became available, the F-82s were withdrawn from combat and phased out of service.

The last Twin Mustang was retired from service in mid-1953. "


And here is the adress to the rest of Joe Baughers pages on the P-82/F-82: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p82.html

Skarphol

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Seedking1
05-11-2004, 05:41 AM
Please tell me had more to offer than Armament Six .50 caliber machine guns; up to 4,000 lb of bombs...As a fighter surely they replaced the bombs with greater fire power? 8x.50 cal is weak enough, but 6???? And for a model so late in the peace

Skarphol
05-11-2004, 11:17 AM
Seedking1 Wrote:"Please tell me had more to offer than Armament Six .50 caliber machine guns"

Once again from Joe Baugher, on the F-82B: "A central pod carrying eight additional 0.50-inch machine guns could also be fitted"

That's a total of fourteen .5-inch guns consentrated on a very small area.. must be making swiss chease of most planes...

Skarphol

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One13
05-11-2004, 11:36 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeerHunterUK:
I wouldn't mind seeing a D.H. Vampire ingame. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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christopher65
05-11-2004, 12:33 PM
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Vampire would be great...show these 262s a thing or two eh??Started this thread as ive been reading about the "p82" and its caught my imagination.Thing is though,do we want our skies full of "what if...could have...if the war lasted another.." aircraft???
I for one would much rather the B24 or B26 were included.Even more Japenese fighters and bombers.In fact theres lots of types I would like to see before the P82,no matter how cool it was.
The Vampire is however included in Janes book of WW2 Aircraft so i suppose the argument is open for debate!!!!

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lil_labbit
05-11-2004, 12:36 PM
Yeah vampire would be great http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Huckebein_UK
05-11-2004, 01:07 PM
A Vampire would be tres cool, but shouldn't we be whining for a Meteor first (an F.III preferably)? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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