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Locopells
08-20-2017, 06:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyTrvng2pw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIidrdV9_Uw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlqe8UvD8hg

Kiroku
08-20-2017, 08:08 PM
So Im just watching the live press conference of xbox on Twitch and the first thing they showed wass the so long awaited CGI trailer of AC Origins!

Will put the link as soon as its on youtube!

All I can tell you right now is that it was absolutely stunning.

When I understood correctly the PS4 and PC version will be delayed to november 7th :(

Thanks to Loco for posting it already! :)

Locopells
08-20-2017, 08:18 PM
No problem!

crusader_prophet
08-20-2017, 08:28 PM
Is that Julius?

And Senu is already my favorite...she just comes and grabs that pathetic snake (it's one of the animals that I hate).

Kiroku
08-20-2017, 08:31 PM
Is that Julius?

Looks like he is. And he brings a whole army too lol.

crusader_prophet
08-20-2017, 08:37 PM
Looks like he is. And he brings a whole army too lol.

Ancient Rome sequel confirmed. lol.

Kiroku
08-20-2017, 08:54 PM
Ancient Rome sequel confirmed. lol.

Depends. Maybe Greece. Since Julius died 44 BCE and the game takes place 49.

I hope Locopells could tell us if there will be new gameplay today too :X

WendysBrioche
08-20-2017, 09:00 PM
Since when is there an AC game without the cinematic trailer? XD

So little faith among us, and yet we call ourselves Assassins. XD

Ezio would have a word or two to say about this.

jdowny
08-20-2017, 09:17 PM
Glad to see most of us were wrong about the lack of cinematic!

Looks great - a little convoluted for an AC trailer and full of metaphors but otherwise beautiful as ever.

They're making clear references to the Templars (or their predecessors) being the shadowy figures behind power in the story. The snake at the end is a reference to the pharaoh's dominion over Lower Egypt, but the fact that it emerges from the Templar's mask could indicate their control over Egypt (or power in general).

The death of the old pharaoh is succeeded by the crowning of the new (most likely Ptolemy XIII, the boy king and rival of Cleopatra) by the Templars.

The scorpion could be a metaphor for Old Egypt being replaced by the New Egypt, represented by Cleopatra and Julius Caesar. I'm not entirely sure of their role in this, but considering Caesar was assassinated by the assassin Brutus, it's fair to say the Templars are behind it.

I wonder if this is it for the cinematic trailers or if, like Unity, we get a second before release...

ModernWaffle
08-20-2017, 09:28 PM
Bayek's combat scene was neat and I'm glad we got a cinematic at all, but this was one of the the weaker AC cinematics.

Xstantin
08-20-2017, 09:41 PM
Osiris looking Templar was cool.

Nice trailer, not Revelations level, but beats Syndicate imo.

ze_topazio
08-20-2017, 09:47 PM
Julius Caesar, Cleopatra and Ptolemy XIII, does that mean that game's story will go that far after all? people were saying the game would only cover one year and that year was a handful of years before JC arrived.

If that's the case I bet we will be the ones to kill Pompeius and Ptolemy.

joshoolhorst
08-20-2017, 10:10 PM
When I understood correctly the PS4 and PC version will be delayed to november 7th

Wait what?

HDinHB
08-20-2017, 10:19 PM
Well it's about time! :)

It didn't give me the feels like the trailers for AC1 or Brotherhood or some of the other games, but it was good, and pretty. The ants eating the scorpion were cool...and possibly symbolic?


If you think real history is a spoiler, read no further.

There were two great Roman generals in Egypt around the time of the game, but Pompey the Great was probably dead by the time of the main events of this trailer. The general in the trailer is probably Caesar
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/C%C3%A9sar_%2813667960455%29.jpg/220px-C%C3%A9sar_%2813667960455%29.jpg

At first, I thought the blue-masked target could be Ptolemy XIII (unlucky 13--definitely a Templar). This Ptolemy is the one who ordered the death of Pompey a few months earlier,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_XIII_Theos_Philopator#Civil_war

and the event in the trailer matches his death in 47 BC:

Upon the arrival of Roman reinforcements, the Battle of the Nile (47 BC) ensued and resulted in a victory for Caesar and Cleopatra, forcing Ptolemy XIII to flee the city. Ptolemy XIII reportedly drowned on January 13, 47 BC while attempting to cross the Nile. Whether he was attempting to flee or was seeking negotiations remains uncertain from sources of the time. Cleopatra VII remained the unchallenged ruler of Egypt, although she named their younger brother Ptolemy XIV of Egypt (40 BC) her new co-ruler.

Or could it be a totally different scenario and the target be Cleopatra herself hiding behind the mask?

Okay, I watched the trailer again, and I don't think those are Cleo's hands and legs. They don't look like the hands of a 15 year old Ptolemy, either. So maybe one of his advisers. Probably Pothinus the Eunuch (not the most noble of titles) who was involved in some pretty shady stuff, including the death of Pompey and the civil war. He was supposedly the power behind the throne of the teenage Ptolemy..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pothinus

Nothing like an AC game to brush up on history.


http://i.imgur.com/4bNL8c2.png

strigoi1958
08-20-2017, 10:22 PM
@Joshoolhorst

Usually consoles are released late October and PC is 2 weeks later. But as of yet all we know is that the 27th of Oct is the release date and unless there is a ubi announcement stating any different I guess we will all get the game then. But I don't mind if it has the 2 week delay for pc again.

@xstantin I keep a copy of the revelations cinematic trailer on my desktop, great trailer, perfectly synched with the music. :)

Abelzorus-Prime
08-20-2017, 10:23 PM
My speculation could be correct.

The Osiris mask is probably a Templar, and is controlling and backing the little Ptolemy for the Templars gain, he then switches side to Caesar and Cleopatra when Caesar demonstrates his dominance in the region.

Locopells
08-20-2017, 10:30 PM
Oh it's Caesar alright - that nose is fairly distinctive, if nothing else!

ze_topazio
08-20-2017, 10:41 PM
Definitely Caesar, the dude in the video looks exactly like every statue of the man, like every Caesar from every work of fiction and art ever made.

HDinHB
08-20-2017, 11:01 PM
When I understood correctly the PS4 and PC version will be delayed to november 7th

Wait what?

I saw the video of Jean Guesdon talking to some Xbox people after the trailer. He said the game would release on Xbox1 on October 27th and when it [Xbox1X] releases on November 7th. Because he was talking to Xbox, he didn't mention PS4 or PC.


http://i.imgur.com/4bNL8c2.png

SixKeys
08-20-2017, 11:02 PM
I just confirmed with Ubi: there is no delay for PS4 and PC version.


Back on topic...

Love the trailer! I had to go back and watch it several times to catch every detail. Great choice of music, and I love that final bow kill so much, lol. :D

jdowny
08-20-2017, 11:20 PM
I like that Bayek is wounded in the last few shots - I think they're definitely trying to stress the increased difficulty of combat.

Sure, the trailer doesn't move me like those of Black Flag or Revelations, but it's a cinematic trailer, definitely can't complain!

Accesstheanimus released an analysis of the trailer - picks up some interesting points. http://www.accesstheanimus.com/ACO_CGI_Trailer_Analysis

Kiroku
08-21-2017, 12:00 AM
I just confirmed with Ubi: there is no delay for PS4 and PC version.


Back on topic...

Love the trailer! I had to go back and watch it several times to catch every detail. Great choice of music, and I love that final bow kill so much, lol. :D

No delay? Damn then I miss understood Jean Guesdon. I thought he said 7th november for other platforms. Thx for the light! Glad to know I can play on 27th october :D

crusader_prophet
08-21-2017, 12:55 AM
I liked the trailer, and I appreciate giving us a cinematic trailer but I am also going to leave this here:


https://youtu.be/-pUhraVG7Ow


Great choice of music, and I love that final bow kill so much, lol. :D

I liked the trailer, but not a fan of the music. I didn't get the whole lyrics (may be it jives with the theme of the trailer), but the music itself didn't create enough drama for me. Not saying it's bad, but just not at par with previous trailers for me.

AnimusLover
08-21-2017, 01:54 AM
Hmm, a Nubian medjay with light eyes, light skin and Semitic looking features, interesting...

Annnyway, trailer was mediocre. It was all flash and didn't give any indication of Bayek's personal story. Unity had the best trailers, so did ACII.

HDinHB
08-21-2017, 02:10 AM
Leonard Cohen is no Kanye, I won't argue that.

It's not a song I would have added to my playlist--his version of Hallelujah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLk4vdY28Q) is more my speed. But I think its fits really well with the trailer, especially the final combat sequence. "We work in the dark to serve the light." "If you want it darker...we kill the flame" [thunk]. "And the guards are taking aim..." [thunk] "I didn't know I had permission to murder and to maim..." [hack slash]

The more i watch the trailer (or even listen to it), the more I like both it and the song. Maybe I will add it to my playlist.


http://i.imgur.com/4bNL8c2.png

crusader_prophet
08-21-2017, 02:36 AM
Leonard Cohen is no Kanye, I won't argue that.

Umm I despise Kanye's work (and probably also him as a person), so I guess I will take that as a good thing. This was much better.


I can't wait for the Egyptian version of this:


https://youtu.be/QW8nrxUUxdY

And this,


https://youtu.be/xxE5R6uAWKc

RVSage
08-21-2017, 06:26 AM
Liked the trailer :)
Special love for Senu taking on the snake, and bayek moving ahead knowing Senu will do the job.

SixKeys
08-21-2017, 07:05 AM
It's not a song I would have added to my playlist--his version of Hallelujah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLk4vdY28Q) is more my speed. But I think its fits really well with the trailer, especially the final combat sequence. "We work in the dark to serve the light." "If you want it darker...we kill the flame" [thunk]. "And the guards are taking aim..." [thunk] "I didn't know I had permission to murder and to maim..." [hack slash]


"His version of Hallelujah"... You mean the original? :p He wrote the song.

The person who designed the sound effects in the trailer deserves a raise. The sounds were SO satisfying in that fight scene, especially the foot-bow kill.

jdowny
08-21-2017, 09:37 AM
Annnyway, trailer was mediocre. It was all flash and didn't give any indication of Bayek's personal story. Unity had the best trailers, so did ACII.

None of the AC cinematic trailers have given any indication of the protagonist's personal story, with the possible exception of Revelations. Ever hear of mystery? I'm not sure why you seemingly want the whole story explained to you before you play the game.

joshoolhorst
08-21-2017, 11:25 AM
I liked the trailer I rewatched it multiple times XD but the song wtf is up with that I can't hear ****,

Kiroku
08-21-2017, 12:01 PM
What I also really like on the cinematic is that Bayek looks almost identical like ingame. Most of the CGI's the characters look a bit different.

Edit: And after watching the conference part about ACO again I have to admit I was wrong. For all platforms on october 27th and for xbox one x on november 7th because of the launch of the new console lol. Sorry! :X

dxsxhxcx
08-21-2017, 12:53 PM
I lol'd at the bow move at the end..

cawatrooper9
08-21-2017, 01:35 PM
Seems like AC cinematic trailers seem to take on 3 distinct shapes-

Assassin "attacks"- AC1, AC2, ACB, ACIII Black Flag,, ACU,
Usually feature a not in game instance or two of the Assassin in action, often from a Templar POV

Era montages- ACS
Montage of sequences that are somehow tied to the symbols and icons of the era

Edited Scene- ACR
Actual scene from the game, edited to fit into the trailer

Seems like Origins falls both the "Era montage" from the earlier trailer segments of Egypt, as well as the "Attack" from the fight scene in the end.

Not a bad trailer, but I'd love to see ACR's topped someday.

dxsxhxcx
08-21-2017, 01:51 PM
Not a bad trailer, but I'd love to see ACR's topped someday.

Not an easy task... :p

crusader_prophet
08-21-2017, 02:24 PM
I think that last move with the bow is going to be an actual mechanic in the game, like a last chance move during a fight if the player is about to die. Like in Shadow of Mordor, you get a last chance with couple button prompts before an Uruk kills you and becomes a chief.

joshoolhorst
08-21-2017, 02:25 PM
0:27

Umbra what are you doing here:)
who else get's my reference:)

cawatrooper9
08-21-2017, 04:25 PM
I think that last move with the bow is going to be an actual mechanic in the game, like a last chance move during a fight if the player is about to die. Like in Shadow of Mordor, you get a last chance with couple button prompts before an Uruk kills you and becomes a chief.

I hope so- seems like a really neat move!

That's sort of the danger with cinematic trailers, though. We can see cool stuff, but it by no means is indicative of it being in the actual game. ACIII's is a great example of this.

SHADOWGARVIN
08-21-2017, 05:13 PM
That was awesome! I loved the look. It was great to see Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar.

@kiroko You really had me worried there for a second!! I'm glad that you were wrong! Next time make sure before you post something like that, you might give someone a heart attack!!

Locopells
08-21-2017, 05:40 PM
Not an easy task... :p

+1!

Sushiglutton
08-21-2017, 06:02 PM
I LOVE AC cgi trailers and this one was no exception :D! How do they manage to always pick a perfect track? Super well paced, great transitions it was just a treat. Was worried we wouldn't get one for Origin, glad I was wrong.

Kiroku
08-21-2017, 09:30 PM
That was awesome! I loved the look. It was great to see Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar.

@kiroko You really had me worried there for a second!! I'm glad that you were wrong! Next time make sure before you post something like that, you might give someone a heart attack!!

Im so sorry mate! I just got so excited by the cinematic that I stopped listening carefully at the following interview haha

joshoolhorst
08-21-2017, 09:32 PM
I hope so- seems like a really neat move!

That's sort of the danger with cinematic trailers, though. We can see cool stuff, but it by no means is indicative of it being in the actual game. ACIII's is a great example of this.

I remember Angry Joe in his AC3 review talking about that and I was confused when I played the level because the trailers let it seem like you could fight in it

crusader_prophet
08-21-2017, 10:28 PM
I hope so- seems like a really neat move!

That's sort of the danger with cinematic trailers, though. We can see cool stuff, but it by no means is indicative of it being in the actual game. ACIII's is a great example of this.
Wait why AC 3? What was misrepresented in that trailer? I think AC Unity was the only misleading one.

Locopells
08-21-2017, 11:31 PM
Battle of Bunker Hill - ACIII CGI showed Connor fighting his way across the battlefield, whereas the in-game mission goes around by stealth. Unless caw means the concept video?

legendvinu
08-22-2017, 03:19 AM
I would like to post My comment on Assassin's creed Origins in the Forum WOW the gameplay looks super Cool and I also wanted to say that there are lot of happenings going on in the world that it's all togather making mess. I also wanted to say the game looks awsome I also wanted to say that the trailer is also awsome I like the end of the trailer where Senu takes the snake away which also says ironically that the templars cannot hide from the Assassin's sight wow. What I cannot understand is this Guys if you see there is eagle symbol on the target Madhunamun and also in the trailer the guy with mask also wears the Eagel badge which I think is They are Assassin's I think Bayak is not Assassin Then he somehow comes inside the order I think so, it's awsome and I love it.only thing is map is filled with question icons which I think it's quest place or not Yet visited place.

HDinHB
08-22-2017, 08:51 AM
O M G



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_J8QXmIcy4

The first link I tried said it wasn't available in my region. If this video doesn't work for you, try searching youtube for the thread title.


http://i.imgur.com/4bNL8c2.png

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 09:50 AM
Very good trailer but it did make me less excited for the game probably cause I know more now but there is one thing I don't like and that is the music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJfZxocxgs

Also this

1:24 and than she dies

RVSage
08-22-2017, 09:52 AM
The trailer was good :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVje-fU05CE&t=1056s
A gameplay video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJfZxocxgs&t=925s
Negative
Animations still feel a little wonky, my only disappointment

On the positive side

1. We learned more about the story Bayek has a wife Aya, who serves Cleopatra. Which sounds a good story element.
2. A three way contest for the throne.
3. Senu warns you when there is a enemy behind you and even attacks enemies

PS: The Game informer player is not good at the game

EDIT: More open world footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ydkjF7bPq0

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 09:55 AM
The trailer was good :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVje-fU05CE&t=1056s
A gameplay video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJfZxocxgs&t=925s
Negative
Animations still feel a little wonky, my only disappointment

On the positive side

1. We learned more about the story Bayek has a wife Aya, who serves Cleopatra. Which sounds a good story element.
2. A three way contest for the throne.
3. Senu warns you when there is a enemy behind you and even attacks enemies

PS: The Game informer player is not good at the game, making the animations seem more clunky

Senu master race praise the Eagle!

ohoni
08-22-2017, 11:03 AM
I'm a bit confused as to why Cleopatra looks so Egyptian. She was Greek, and yet looks no different than Bayek's wife.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 11:54 AM
I don't like this hole ''romance'' part but I never was a fan of romance in games/movies/books/comics anyway- wait there is nudity ooh oke keep it in maybe we get some Bayek ******* hidden blade ****** sugar and ***** yu-gi-oh ****** action ( ͡į ͜ʖ ͡į)

(this comment was edited by Ubisoft because it was the most garbage post this year yet please Josh try again in the future)

I don't like the scenes that the camera doesn't follow Bayek because this is still a simulation it breaks my immersion of the game a lot.

SHADOWGARVIN
08-22-2017, 12:58 PM
Im so sorry mate! I just got so excited by the cinematic that I stopped listening carefully at the following interview haha

No worries, my friend. I completely understand. We had all been waiting for a cinematic trailer for so long.

dxsxhxcx
08-22-2017, 01:01 PM
Things I dislike about the game so far:

- Bayek's health bar placement;
- Damage Indicators (the numbers);
- Bayek's warg abilities (the lack of a proper explanation to why we can control Senu, that will hopefully involves a POE, please don't say Bayek and Senu are BFFs and that's why they help each other, this also doesn't explain how we can see through its eyes);

Little things like these really make me believe that Ubisoft has lost its touch, once they tried to make every aspect of the game make sense story-wise, now they don't seem to care about these things anymore and it really saddens me.

AnimusLover
08-22-2017, 01:08 PM
I'm a bit confused as to why Cleopatra looks so Egyptian. She was Greek, and yet looks no different than Bayek's wife.

Actually, she was half Greek and half black.
I do hope she is portrayed with some respect. In this patriarchal western society we have a bad habit of falsely portraying women, especially foreign women as nothing beyond their boobs. Cleopatra is depicted in modern film and television as someone who opened her legs to get what she wanted rather than someone who could speak several languages, was extremely clever and cunning, was a philosopher and a maths nerd. She was also short, stumpy and unattractive but it was all the aforementioned that attracted Caesar and Marc Anthony.

As for the trailer...story seems exciting but I have a similar fear for it that I had to ACIII which is "too much history". By that I mean the unique lore of the Assassins get lost in the historical one, and seeing as this is before the brotherhood is formed that seems even more likely. Bayek appears to get lost in it all as well and I am still not sure what his personal goal is. Have yet to watch the gameplay because I'm a bit nervous for it tbh.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 01:36 PM
Things I dislike about the game so far:

- Bayek's health bar placement;
- Damage Indicators (the numbers);
- Bayek's warg abilities (the lack of a proper explanation to why we can control Senu, that will hopefully involves a POE, please don't say Bayek and Senu are BFFs and that's why they help each other, this also doesn't explain how we can see through its eyes);

Little things like these really make me believe that Ubisoft has lost its touch, once they tried to make every aspect of the game make sense story-wise, now they don't seem to care about these things anymore and it really saddens me.

They want to stop focusing so much on story remember the new Assassin's Creed game is the first one to with a new style AKA Origins.
This really makes me sad because AC is a heavenly story focused series at it's core

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 01:40 PM
Actually, she was half Greek and half black.
I do hope she is portrayed with some respect. In this patriarchal western society we have a bad habit of falsely portraying women, especially foreign women as nothing beyond their boobs. Cleopatra is depicted in modern film and television as someone who opened her legs to get what she wanted rather than someone who could speak several languages, was extremely clever and cunning, was a philosopher and a maths nerd. She was also short, stumpy and unattractive but it was all the aforementioned that attracted Caesar and Marc Anthony.

As for the trailer...story seems exciting but I have a similar fear for it that I had to ACIII which is too much history. By that I mean, the unique lore of the Assassins get lost in the historical one and seeing as this is before the brotherhood is formed that seems even more likely. Bayek seems to get lost in it all as well and I am still not sure what his personal goal is. Have yet to watch to gameplay because I'm a bit nervous for it tbh.

I think I am gonna get some Egypte books from the libary so I get more invested in this world

Kiroku
08-22-2017, 01:44 PM
I dont want too much spoiler. I would love to watch those videos too but I cant. q.q

I would go into the game like "oh this quest from the video I already know what happens" Damn it. I need october.

cawatrooper9
08-22-2017, 03:02 PM
Wait why AC 3? What was misrepresented in that trailer? I think AC Unity was the only misleading one.


Battle of Bunker Hill - ACIII CGI showed Connor fighting his way across the battlefield, whereas the in-game mission goes around by stealth. Unless caw means the concept video?
Right, essentially the trailer implied some sort of battle system where you could actually fight in a battle situation alongside allies. That didn't really happen, not even in game, with the exception Bunker Hill itself (which, while fun, was nowhere near as cool as the trailer). Lexington+ Concord and Monmouth were more like minigames. Again, love the story of AC3, but I really wish it had a more organic battle system, so I found the cinematic trailer to be retroactively disappointing.

AnimusLover
08-22-2017, 03:13 PM
I have now watched the gameplay videos and I have to say... this is much, much better.

The good:

The attention to detail in general. For instance, if you take a hard fall, blood splatters from Bayek's feet. It makes you "feel" how hard the fall was, like the way armour damage used to back in ACII. It's also really gross to the point it makes me wince so I will be encouraged to climb properly.
Bayek can get dirty, literally.
Random people running by on a horse lol.
NPCs feel alive and chatty. The whole culture is vibrant.
Egypt is aesthetically gorgeous. I'll leave it at that before going into my negatives.
Pyramid climbing looks like it might actually be a challenge a la AC1 back when you actually had to figure out how to climb up.
Senu is growing on me. She feels like a companion rather than a mere recon asset to make things easier.
I can tell I'm going to really enjoy the combat, even though the game informer player was pathetic at it. His strategy was to just get behind the enemy for an easy kill but getting behind the enemy is tricky since they move as you move. It's also near impossible when fighting multiple NPCs because as you move behind one the other takes that as an opportunity to attack.
Tapping Y means the horse will go to the custom marker automatically without the player needing to control it. This is REALLY useful late game when you've done everything inbetween and just need to get from A to B.
Story seems vaguely interesting from the little we get of it.
Bayek has a lover. I was worried they would shy away from this ever since Unity's failed romance. Let's just hope she doesn't die. It would be so cliched.


Things that need work:

Lip sync and facial animation is terrible.
Animations in general still look weird and unfinished both in cut scenes and out. I think this will be the game's biggest negative post release.
They are never going to solve this problem of repeating dialogue, are they? 9 main titles in and they can't sort out something so simple. It's really pathetic.
The graphics are better than a lot of other triple A games but once you play a game like Unity everything pales in comparison in that regard. With more time, they could have even found a way to make the foliage animated a la Far Cry 5. Right now it just looks like a beautiful painting. Environmental physics in general could be better.
Night time is too bright. Needs to be more like Syndicate (best night time of the series) or Metal Gear Solid V.
Still not sure how I feel about synchronisation high points updating the map. Takes away from the exploration aspect.
Not keen on the Unity music playing when climbing a sync high point. I like the music itself but don't like when its recycled as music, to me, forms part of the game's identity. See also 'Ezio's Family'.
All those collectibles look overwhelming and I can feel my OCD flaring up every single time an object glows.

cawatrooper9
08-22-2017, 03:25 PM
I have a lot of watching to do...

Or do I go dark yet?

Megas_Doux
08-22-2017, 03:48 PM
I should repeat this as a mantra:

Avoid the comments section...AVOID THE COMMENTS SECTION!!!!

dxsxhxcx
08-22-2017, 03:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=hLT9sxIf11Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcL_XwwnlE

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 03:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJfZxocxgs

1:20

Assassin's Creed has this huge urge to kill of your romantic interest or just anyone related to you.

1 Al Mualin is dead and Altair's wife got killed
2 Ezio's father and brothers get hanged with Cristina dead to
3 Uncle Mario dies and Lucy to
4 Yusuf dies
5 Connor's village get's burned with his mother with it (romantic interest from Haytham)
6 Edwards wife died and his crew
7 Arno's girlfriend died and his father's
8 Henrie has not yet died.
9 I probably missed a few


Let's say it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
Ezio's girlfriend died, Altair's wife died wait I forgot Adha, Desmonds lucy died even though they had no relationship ''she liked him Bill'', Edwards wife died of screen, Arno's girlfriend Elise died, some huy in the Braham comic lost his girlfriend and perhaps more!
I can't wait to see her dead to at the end of the game

cawatrooper9
08-22-2017, 04:01 PM
Yeah... the series doesn't have a great track record with female characters.

But, given how it seems they're trying to turn a new leaf with Origins, we might her not only survive, but thrive.

DryYourFursuit
08-22-2017, 04:04 PM
I never knew Yusuf was a romantic interest.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 04:26 PM
The more I see the more I want it damn I am hyped XD but I do have one question about Egypte why do they have all these symbols on let's say every wall what is the point of that can somebody explain?

crusader_prophet
08-22-2017, 04:31 PM
I would say this...game looks good. I don't mind animations that much. I just hope the game can connect the game world with the player via narrative. I don't want to be reminded that I'm playing a video game every single second I'm in the world. For example, explanation on why am I able to control and see through Senu, why is there a health bar at the bottom and not a sync bar, why does it deplete when I get hit, why are there numbers popping up when I hit someone. If the explanation is simply because it's a video game, I'm not interested. AC has done better than that in AC 1 and AC 2.

crusader_prophet
08-22-2017, 04:35 PM
Maria dies in the movie.

It's called poor writing.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 04:36 PM
I never knew Yusuf was a romantic interest.

I also count everyone just related- I mean yes he secretly loved Ezio:)

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 04:38 PM
Maria dies in the movie.

It's called poor writing.

Or just forced writing for emotional ''ending'' but how can I feel for Maria if she talks about sacrificing her children to the Creed and murders people and shows no other interaction beside that ;)

crusader_prophet
08-22-2017, 04:51 PM
Or just forced writing for emotional ''ending'' but how can I feel for Maria if she talks about sacrificing her children to the Creed and murders people and shows no other interaction beside that ;)
Yep that's what I meant and more by "poor", agreed.

dxsxhxcx
08-22-2017, 05:08 PM
I would say this...game looks good. I don't mind animations that much. I just hope the game can connect the game world with the player via narrative. I don't want to be reminded that I'm playing a video game every single second I'm in the world. For example, explanation on why am I able to control and see through Senu, why is there a health bar at the bottom and not a sync bar, why does it deplete when I get hit, why are there numbers popping up when I hit someone. If the explanation is simply because it's a video game, I'm not interested. AC has done better than that in AC 1 and AC 2.

Bayek's warg ability is bothering me a lot as well...

dxsxhxcx
08-22-2017, 05:20 PM
Cleopatra will do something to get Aya killed in order to direct Bayek's anger to whoever she wants eliminated to get her throne and then years later Bayek will find out about it and send Amunet after her..

Or ...PLOT TWIST... Bayek gets killed and we play as Aya.. xD

jdowny
08-22-2017, 05:57 PM
I would say this...game looks good. I don't mind animations that much. I just hope the game can connect the game world with the player via narrative. I don't want to be reminded that I'm playing a video game every single second I'm in the world. For example, explanation on why am I able to control and see through Senu, why is there a health bar at the bottom and not a sync bar, why does it deplete when I get hit, why are there numbers popping up when I hit someone. If the explanation is simply because it's a video game, I'm not interested. AC has done better than that in AC 1 and AC 2.

And I'm sure there will be an explanation for Senu. However, I don't understand your point about the health bar - there's been a synch bar in every single AC game since the start and it depletes when you get hit. What did you think it was there for?


I agree about the numbers popping up when the player hits someone, that takes me out of my immersion. Which is why I always play AC games with no HUD elements, it's much more challenging and fun. I don't understand people complaining about the HUD - as long as there's an option to turn HUD elements off, what's the problem?

I'm just glad to see that the AC devs have finally realised that a mini-map is distracting.

AnimusLover
08-22-2017, 06:13 PM
Cleopatra will do something to get Aya killed in order to direct Bayek's anger to whoever she wants eliminated to get her throne and then years later Bayek will find out about it and send Amunet after her..

Or ...PLOT TWIST... Bayek gets killed and we play as Aya.. xD

a la Red Dead Redemption. I realise you are joking but as Ubisoft has confirmed we will play as other characters this might be one of the ways how.
This could be potentially brilliant or potentially a disaster. If Bayek is a throwaway character then a post main game protagonist could be interesting. If he's likeable, get ready for the bittching.
That being said, because we're in the animus, we can just go back to a time Bayek was alive to do other activities in the world so it's a win-win.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 06:32 PM
How long will the storyline be 20 hours?

strigoi1958
08-22-2017, 06:35 PM
How long will the storyline be 20 hours?

Interesting... I always check out the "how long to beat" website as it generates an average from times submitted by players.

ModernWaffle
08-22-2017, 06:41 PM
Wow, bombardment of new gameplay videos, and I thought advertisement was going to be lowkey this time round. I hope they do hold back a bit on the videos as I think there's definitely enough out there now to let fans know whether they wish to buy it on release.

In either case that Game of Power trailer was awesome, the first trailer of Origins that has me properly excited. Also at 1:15 naval combat looks quite in depth? Though that could just be a demo sequence or one off mission.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 06:48 PM
Because nobody knew about what I meant with Umbra
https://twitter.com/AccessTheAnimus/status/899980769241812993
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH1b-26W0AAPeEb.jpg:large

gordon677
08-22-2017, 06:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9pZqo6ghvk

AnimusLover
08-22-2017, 07:02 PM
I agree about the numbers popping up when the player hits someone, that takes me out of my immersion. Which is why I always play AC games with no HUD elements, it's much more challenging and fun. I don't understand people complaining about the HUD - as long as there's an option to turn HUD elements off, what's the problem?

I'm just glad to see that the AC devs have finally realised that a mini-map is distracting.

A lot of people like to brag about playing without the HUD on but all they're doing is playing the game incorrectly and/or not to its fullest. Games that have a lot of HUD are built around this hand holding which means if you turn the HUD off you're going to miss out on a lot of what the developer intended. HUD is a good way of telling the player what's interactive/playable and what's not. Turning it off late game makes sense once you've grown used to the world but turning off HUD from the very beginning is odd. The problem with a lot of games is that rather than putting stuff in the world which enables us to know whats playable or what NPCs can be interacted with through the things they say when you're near them etc, they use HUD as a crutch.

crusader_prophet
08-22-2017, 07:14 PM
However, I don't understand your point about the health bar - there's been a synch bar in every single AC game since the start and it depletes when you get hit. What did you think it was there for?
Sync bar made sense narratively with the concept of Animus. A subject is technically accessing a historical simulation via the Animus and desynchronization is a side effect when a subject does not perform enough "valid" actions. It causes the Animus program to not be able to correctly map the next most plausible event in the ancestor's life. The Animus is kind of a probability device which maps an ancestor's life based on sufficient data points provided by the subject extracted from the memories embedded in his or her genetic material. So if for example Bayek is getting hit too many times by a guard and in actuality Bayek 'didn't' get hit so many times by the guard, the subject (or the player) is failing to retrace the actions performed by Bayek, it causes the Animus to fail and unable to converge the simulation and predict the next plausible world state for the subject, eventually leading to desynchronization.

This is why a desync bar which regens over time is more immersive than a health bar. Because it aligns with the narrative.

dxsxhxcx
08-22-2017, 07:26 PM
However, I don't understand your point about the health bar - there's been a synch bar in every single AC game since the start and it depletes when you get hit. What did you think it was there for?

My problem is with its design and place, very distracting and ugly.

ModernWaffle
08-22-2017, 08:09 PM
Regarding playable characters:

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/assassins_creed_origins/b/xboxone/archive/2017/08/22/how-assassin-39-s-creed-origins-is-trying-to-modernize-the-series.aspx

Introduced at Gamescom, Bayek’s wife Aya will be playable for certain missions in the game. It also sounds like there will be more playable characters than just Aya and Bayek.

“It is primarily Bayek’s story and journey, and this is the decision we had made because it was what we came to in terms of when we were building this experience, the narrative, the gameplay, this is the experience we wanted to create,” Ismail said. “So, it was a choice that we made [not to split the campaign]. Having said that, we have other playable characters, we’re just not yet announcing who they are.”

Man, this game feels so ambitious. Beyond usual interests in the story, the newest trailer also showed several scenes which has me intrigued about possible new features in the game including a chance for confronting an entire army, battling larger animals like elephants and having what looks like a continued dedication to (a presumably changed) naval combat.

Edit: Look at Cyrene: https://twitter.com/AccessTheAnimus/status/899949082621337600

Honestly don't know how I'm going to take this all in when the game comes out, it's reminding me of the kind of excitement I had for AC3.

AnimusLover
08-22-2017, 08:42 PM
“It is primarily Bayek’s story and journey, and this is the decision we had made because it was what we came to in terms of when we were building this experience, the narrative, the gameplay, this is the experience we wanted to create,” - Ash Ismail

Does this make any sense? Just say you wanted to create a male protagonist because you think AC fans are bigoted idiots who will abandon the franchise if the main protagonist is a woman. It's not hard. Jeez.

In all seriousness, Cyrene looks pretty but again, it's all about what the player gets to do there that really makes you fall in love with a city.

crusader_prophet
08-22-2017, 09:00 PM
AC fans are bigoted idiots
Pretty broad and false statement. I'm an AC fan and I'd have loved to play as a main female protagonist. I hated Jacob and would have preferred only Evie in Syndicate. Playing as Elise would have been more interesting narratively in comparison to Arno. Played most of my ME playthroughs (17/22) with a female Shepard. HZD and Tomb Raider lists pretty high in my favorite games. So I would caution against your self righteous blanket judgmental statements. Are there AC fans like that, sure but do does every game franchise even those who play female led games. But your blanket statement is pretty dumb and defeats the very point of view you are trying to get across.

AnimusLover
08-22-2017, 09:45 PM
Pretty broad and false statement. I'm an AC fan and I'd have loved to play as a main female protagonist. I hated Jacob and would have preferred only Evie in Syndicate. Playing as Elise would have been more interesting narratively in comparison to Arno. Played most of my ME playthroughs (17/22) with a female Shepard. HZD and Tomb Raider lists pretty high in my favorite games. So I would caution against your self righteous blanket judgmental statements. Are there AC fans like that, sure but do does every game franchise even those who play female led games. But your blanket statement is pretty dumb and defeats the very point of view you are trying to get across.

You call me dumb and yet you can't read. Way to take my quote out of context. I was making a point specifically that is the DEVELOPER's thoughts. Not mine. In truth, a lot of AC fans like yourself would love to play as a female protagonist and many welcomed the addition of Evie and was disappointed when they found out she was only playable for 30% of the main missions.
My point was that the devs don't give us much credit and treat us like idiots.
I was wise to ignore your friend request. My instincts are always right.

jdowny
08-22-2017, 10:11 PM
A lot of people like to brag about playing without the HUD on but all they're doing is playing the game incorrectly and/or not to its fullest. Games that have a lot of HUD are built around this hand holding which means if you turn the HUD off you're going to miss out on a lot of what the developer intended. HUD is a good way of telling the player what's interactive/playable and what's not. Turning it off late game makes sense once you've grown used to the world but turning off HUD from the very beginning is odd. The problem with a lot of games is that rather than putting stuff in the world which enables us to know whats playable or what NPCs can be interacted with through the things they say when you're near them etc, they use HUD as a crutch.

There's no correct or incorrect way of playing any game - that's the whole point of them. But suit yourself. I prefer not to be distracted by flashing icons in every corner of the screen telling me things I don't need to know or have my hand held while playing a game I'm already familiar with. But the fact that the devs have simplified the HUD elements to such a degree is proof that they believe it's more immersive and not as essential as we've been held to believe.

My original point was that you can turn these elements off, so you shouldn't need to worry about them.

crusader_prophet
08-22-2017, 10:13 PM
You call me dumb and yet you can't read.
I called your comment as dumb, not you as a person. I'd suggest take your own advice.


I was making a point specifically that is the DEVELOPER's thoughts. Not mine.

No that is you implanting your own perspective of things onto the dev's comment.


I was wise to ignore your friend request. My instincts are always right.
Good, because I'd have removed that connection a while ago once I got to see more of your thought process. I've seen you accuse people of narcissistic tendencies, you seem to be suffering from it yourself. You are delusional and just an example of "little learning is a dangerous thing" which you mistake as being wise, a symptom usually of a bigger disease.

SofaJockey
08-22-2017, 10:31 PM
Greek skin is normally olive colored or light brown. Some Greeks have fairer complexions with pink or peachy tones, but this is not as common as olive skin tones.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 10:40 PM
You call me dumb and yet you can't read. Way to take my quote out of context. I was making a point specifically that is the DEVELOPER's thoughts. Not mine. In truth, a lot of AC fans like yourself would love to play as a female protagonist and many welcomed the addition of Evie and was disappointed when they found out she was only playable for 30% of the main missions.
My point was that the devs don't give us much credit and treat us like idiots.
I was wise to ignore your friend request. My instincts are always right.

Before I go into the black mark he just found your statement dumb nothing else but I won't go far into that not mine discussion but I do go in on my insticts are always right... No you can't be always right:)

RVSage
08-22-2017, 10:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-3tWKCEek

Finally a good play through of the story mission.

AnimusLover
08-22-2017, 10:50 PM
I called your comment as dumb, not you as a person. I'd suggest take your own advice.

Dumb people make dumb comments so it stands to reason that if you call my comment 'dumb' you are implying I am. Let's not be pedantic.


No that is you implanting your own perspective of things onto the dev's comment.

If you truly believed that (which you don't, you're just saying that now to cover the fact that you misread my post) then you would have said that originally WITHOUT taking my post out of context. You could have apologised for misunderstanding me rather than jumping the gun. I would have forgiven you. But I guess when your ego is on the line there are only two options: either admit you were being an idiot or continue behaving like one. You seem to have chosen the latter.


Good, because I'd have removed that connection a while ago once I got to see more of your thought process. I've seen you accuse people of narcissistic tendencies, you seem to be suffering from it yourself. You are delusional and just an example of "little learning is a dangerous thing" which you mistake as being wise, a symptom usually of a bigger disease.

The fact that you're so fickle that you would impulsively send a friend request and then act like a rejected ex lover now just means you have poor judgement and therefore nothing you say about a person can be taken seriously, including that little quote you've pulled in order to make yourself sound clever. I rejected you and now I'm about to ignore you (literally, using the dedicated feature on the forum). If you want to reply to me, know that I won't read it. Bye.



There's no correct or incorrect way of playing any game - that's the whole point of them. But suit yourself. I prefer not to be distracted by flashing icons in every corner of the screen telling me things I don't need to know or have my hand held while playing a game I'm already familiar with. But the fact that the devs have simplified the HUD elements to such a degree is proof that they believe it's more immersive and not as essential as we've been held to believe.

My original point was that you can turn these elements off, so you shouldn't need to worry about them.

By "correct" I meant the way the developer's intended. And hey, I'm not for or aginst HUD, I think you could make a solid argument for both. I get that your point was that HUD can be turned off for those who are worried about it. I just can't imagine how that would be an enjoyable experience but each to his own.

cawatrooper9
08-22-2017, 10:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-3tWKCEek

Finally a good play through of the story mission.

Loving those new robes, too!

RVSage
08-22-2017, 10:57 PM
Loving those new robes, too!

yup the robes were nice in this one, did you notice the color change in water and when oil spills on the cloth??? (This was in another video). more nice systemic features

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 11:34 PM
Loving those new robes, too!

Poor animal though aaaah so cute

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 11:37 PM
Loving those new robes, too!

Poor animal though aaaah so cute

WendysBrioche
08-22-2017, 11:48 PM
Welp of course theres heated argument already.

*******

I still can't help but continue to be blown away by how beautiful this game is.

Memphis is absolutely stunning.

They never get the art direction and style wrong. They always exceed the perfection bar. I really think we take that for granted a lot of the time.

joshoolhorst
08-22-2017, 11:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-3tWKCEek

Finally a good play through of the story mission.

5:03 ****ing genius just smashing in the door like that XDDDD

SixKeys
08-23-2017, 01:50 AM
Looks like now might be the time for spoiler-averse folks to go dark. Jeez, so many videos showcasing main missions as well as entire side quests. I'm gonna try to rein in my curiosity as I want to experience the game for myself when it comes out.

I only watched the mission with Aya and the two kids who poisoned a bull or something. The person playing the demo was terrible, but what concerns me is that the game didn't punish them for being terrible. He/she could swing his sword around without bothering with any other aspect of the combat (dodging, parrying etc.) and the enemies barely fought back. I thought this system was supposed to be harder?

I'm SO not a fan of the animations still. :/ They all look so jerky and unfinished. Not just combat animations, but climbing as well. If this version is close to what the final game will look like, then I'm sorry but they need to do better. Like, a lot. Animations are a huge part of immersion. I can somewhat forgive the combat looking less smooth than previous entries because it's a completely different system, but there's no excuse for climbing looking half-assed. Lip sync is still off in some cut scenes and the facial expressions in general are inconsistent. Sometimes they're really good, sometimes really bad, sometimes in the same scene. For example Aya's expressions were pretty good while Bayek was oddly robotic. (Note that this is not a critique of the voice-acting, which I thought was excellent.) It's not even the case that there's a notable difference between pre-rendered cut scenes vs. in-game animations. The cut scenes looked worse than Syndicate's, and Syndicate already looked worse than Unity.

One thing I did like was the part where Bayek figured out that there was a way to make the merchant talk without hurting him, by smashing up his shop. There was no obvious popup saying "Destroy the pots", you just had to recall that oh yeah, physics is an actual thing in this game.

Still wondering about the bond between Bayek and Senu. Whenever Bayek syncs a viewpoint, Senu's vision range is extended. How exactly does that work? I hope there's a explanation of some kind, otherwise that's just dumb.

AnimusLover
08-23-2017, 01:57 AM
I only watched the mission with Aya and the two kids who poisoned a bull or something. The person playing the demo was terrible, but what concerns me is that the game didn't punish them for being terrible. He/she could swing his sword around without bothering with any other aspect of the combat (dodging, parrying etc.) and the enemies barely fought back. I thought this system was supposed to be harder?

I think it's because of the level. I noticed the boss/big chief/higher levels move much faster. It's almost impossible to get behind them.


One thing I did like was the part where Bayek figured out that there was a way to make the merchant talk without hurting him, but smashing his shop. There was no obvious popup saying "Destroy the pots", you just had to recall that oh yeah, physics is an actual thing in this game.

Yes, I noticed that as well!!! Thank you, Ubisoft, for giving the fans some credit. The best part about that is that it wasn't the only way to make him talk, as demonstrated in another video.

Megas_Doux
08-23-2017, 02:20 AM
1) Does it have background music?????? I mean, I remember that tweet from the main composer who claimed there was "tons of it" yet I don't hear it.

2) The animations STILL feel clunky. Not feeling it. By biggest concern so far and by a country mile. Being a PC buyer you get the picture......

3) In the name of all that is regarded holy DON'T KILL BAYEK'S WIFE OFF. I mean, it's truly getting OLD:

-Cristina
-Maria
-Caroline (off screen, though)
-Elise




4) The sheer beauty and diversity of the environments is astonishing

5) I like the new combat more and more.

RVSage
08-23-2017, 03:58 AM
I'm SO not a fan of the animations still. :/ They all look so jerky and unfinished. Not just combat animations, but climbing as well. If this version is close to what the final game will look like, then I'm sorry but they need to do better.

I request you to put that up as the primary concern of the forum community, as part of the Mentor's guild (I have a feeling you already have). I hope they are listening to us on this one.

Assassins_pm
08-23-2017, 04:35 AM
So far the game is looking incredible and i really feel like I'm in Egypt when i watch the demos. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the facial expressions and lip synch in the cut scenes. The can do just so much better. Also moving through the vegetation looks horrendous, it looks like when you enter a battle in Pokemon and the intro is the grass moving aside. I can live with these things however, what i don't understand is why people don't like the new combat because you don't feel like an assassin. Like bro an assassin shouldn't even be in combat in the first place thats the whole point, so that you could kill the target without being detected. Assassins would never have been able to take out hordes of enemies with ease like in pass games, no one could unless you're some superhero. This combat makes you want to take a more assassin like approach and work from the shadows, a man of men faces, a dagger in the crowd. When you get into combat it makes you think more about how to take the enemies on. Should you take the big guy or little guy out first, which weapon would work best against these soldiers, and little stuff like that. It may not be the most visually appealing but its way more interactive than the old counter kill counter kill, You need to think about who is behind you how should you position yourself, when you should dodge and when there is an opening. I'm so glad they got rid of the whole 100% synch thing to it juts made you feel like you were doing this stuff to kill time now the collectables have an actual meaning with the skill points and the new weapon loot system. Everything has a story behind it and it makes me want to find out more, so much more immersive than the old collectable system. Also the whole thing about it not being an assassins creed game cause there is no creed is bull because every game since at least black flag has been about end up as an assassin for most of the game you're not even a true assassin yet you are just trying to prove yourself so they accept you or its a rebellious figure who realizes his mistake. I love the character is forming to be like he is an honorable protector of the people and his inner conflict between the old ways and the new make his character so deep, he doesn't have to be a comedic person who undergoes some tragedy to make him mature for him to be deep and have layers and character. He is almost like a fatherly figure protecting his children, the citizens of Egypt. That makes such a relatable guy because we all want are family and loved ones to be safe and would to go great lengths for exactly like bayed who is going to these extreme lengths to protect Egypt and eventually the world by founding the brotherhood.

AnimusLover
08-23-2017, 04:48 AM
So far the game is looking incredible and i really feel like I'm in Egypt when i watch the demos. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the facial expressions and lip synch in the cut scenes. The can do just so much better. Also moving through the vegetation looks horrendous, it looks like when you enter a battle in Pokemon and the intro is the grass moving aside. I can live with these things however, what i don't understand is why people don't like the new combat because you don't feel like an assassin. Like bro an assassin shouldn't even be in combat in the first place thats the whole point, so that you could kill the target without being detected. Assassins would never have been able to take out hordes of enemies with ease like in pass games, no one could unless you're some superhero. This combat makes you want to take a more assassin like approach and work from the shadows, a man of men faces, a dagger in the crowd. When you get into combat it makes you think more about how to take the enemies on. Should you take the big guy or little guy out first, which weapon would work best against these soldiers, and little stuff like that. It may not be the most visually appealing but its way more interactive than the old counter kill counter kill, You need to think about who is behind you how should you position yourself, when you should dodge and when there is an opening. I'm so glad they got rid of the whole 100% synch thing to it juts made you feel like you were doing this stuff to kill time now the collectables have an actual meaning with the skill points and the new weapon loot system. Everything has a story behind it and it makes me want to find out more, so much more immersive than the old collectable system. Also the whole thing about it not being an assassins creed game cause there is no creed is bull because every game since at least black flag has been about end up as an assassin for most of the game you're not even a true assassin yet you are just trying to prove yourself so they accept you or its a rebellious figure who realizes his mistake. I love the character is forming to be like he is an honorable protector of the people and his inner conflict between the old ways and the new make his character so deep, he doesn't have to be a comedic person who undergoes some tragedy to make him mature for him to be deep and have layers and character. He is almost like a fatherly figure protecting his children, the citizens of Egypt. That makes such a relatable guy because we all want are family and loved ones to be safe and would to go great lengths for exactly like bayed who is going to these extreme lengths to protect Egypt and eventually the world by founding the brotherhood.

Well said.

ohoni
08-23-2017, 05:17 AM
Lol.

LoyalACFan
08-23-2017, 05:57 AM
So...

Bayek's wife is totally Amunet, right? And he just calls her Aya for short? I mean... Female Assassin, advisor to Cleopatra, two playable protagonists confirmed (and would make sense considering both Bayek and Ays's memories would be accessible to their descendents, unlike the Fryes)...

Sorry if this has already been brought up; I've been out of touch with Gamescom while I was on vacation watching the solar eclipse (in Memphis, as it happens, though it's the one in Tennessee, not Egypt :cool:)

WendysBrioche
08-23-2017, 06:05 AM
But dude, that comment from the woman Bayek rescues at the end of the Gamescom demo, Ouch!!!!!!! First time they say it like that in an AC holy jeezoodios spare me soul.

LoyalACFan
08-23-2017, 06:13 AM
But dude, that comment from the woman Bayek rescues at the end of the Gamescom demo, Ouch!!!!!!! First time they say it like that in an AC holy jeezoodios spare me soul.

Not sure what you mean... which mission? Sorry, I missed a lot while I was gone, apparently :p

Also, yeah, I have to agree with SixKeys about the animations. They're mediocre-to-poor pretty much across the board, but they're especially janky in combat. It's too late for Origins, I know, but hopefully they'll address this in the next game.

WendysBrioche
08-23-2017, 06:21 AM
Not sure what you mean... which mission? Sorry, I missed a lot while I was gone, apparently :p

Also, yeah, I have to agree with SixKeys about the animations. They're mediocre-to-poor pretty much across the board, but they're especially janky in combat. It's too late for Origins, I know, but hopefully they'll address this in the next game.

I don't want to directly quote cause there's some profanity involved.

But at the end of the Memphis Mission Demo, I think from gamespot, Bayek rescues a woman and her child, and she exclaims she's going to track down and kill that Roman (not nice word for a female) who ruined her family. XD Just Ouch

AnimusLover
08-23-2017, 07:09 AM
Not sure what you mean... which mission? Sorry, I missed a lot while I was gone, apparently :p

Also, yeah, I have to agree with SixKeys about the animations. They're mediocre-to-poor pretty much across the board, but they're especially janky in combat. It's too late for Origins, I know, but hopefully they'll address this in the next game.

Re BIB This has been the mentality of Ubisoft for far too long. "Next game, guys!"
That strategy worked back in 2009 with ACII when Assassin's Creed was still fresh but people are no longer putting up with this crap - evident by the sales of Watch Dogs 2 which is way superior to Watch Dogs 1 in every way. Additionally, if they give themselves the same amount of time they had with Origins then that won't leave room for much else but fixing bugs and animations. I don't want a "better version of Origins". I want a game that feels complete and unique in its own right.

ohoni
08-23-2017, 08:02 AM
Re BIB This has been the mentality of Ubisoft for far too long. "Next game, guys!"
That strategy worked back in 2009 with ACII when Assassin's Creed was still fresh but people are no longer putting up with this crap - evident by the sales of Watch Dogs 2 which is way superior to Watch Dogs 1 in every way. Additionally, if they give themselves the same amount of time they had with Origins then that won't leave room for much else but fixing bugs and animations. I don't want a "better version of Origins". I want a game that feels complete and unique in its own right.

Yeah, "better next time" was the entire reason they took a year off after Syndicate. It should have been Syndicate quality this time last year, with another year to work out these issues.

The only thing that would give me faith in the AC teams at this point is if they did the honorable thing and said "you know what, we have FAITH in our game, we have FAITH that it can be a great game, and so we will take the time we need to do it right. Even if that means missing the Christmas 2017 window. Rather than having another Unity and another Syndicate fallout from it, they take the time, they do it right, and they release it when it's ready.

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." -Shigeru Miyamoto.

crusader_prophet
08-23-2017, 06:11 PM
So...

Bayek's wife is totally Amunet, right? And he just calls her Aya for short? I mean... Female Assassin, advisor to Cleopatra, two playable protagonists confirmed (and would make sense considering both Bayek and Ays's memories would be accessible to their descendents, unlike the Fryes)...
Holy smokes...I totally didn't think about this! You could be right...and if that is true I applaud the devs for how they have presented her in the trailers.

Locopells
08-23-2017, 06:44 PM
So...

Bayek's wife is totally Amunet, right? And he just calls her Aya for short? I mean... Female Assassin, advisor to Cleopatra, two playable protagonists confirmed (and would make sense considering both Bayek and Ays's memories would be accessible to their descendents, unlike the Fryes)...

Sorry if this has already been brought up; I've been out of touch with Gamescom while I was on vacation watching the solar eclipse (in Memphis, as it happens, though it's the one in Tennessee, not Egypt :cool:)

It's a very plausible theory!

cawatrooper9
08-23-2017, 07:49 PM
So...

Bayek's wife is totally Amunet, right? And he just calls her Aya for short? I mean... Female Assassin, advisor to Cleopatra, two playable protagonists confirmed (and would make sense considering both Bayek and Ays's memories would be accessible to their descendents, unlike the Fryes)...

Sorry if this has already been brought up; I've been out of touch with Gamescom while I was on vacation watching the solar eclipse (in Memphis, as it happens, though it's the one in Tennessee, not Egypt :cool:)

Whoa, that would be an interesting touch! I like it!

Did a little digging, just to piggyback off of this. On Amunet, the Egyptian goddess:


"Her name means a female who is hidden and her powers are connected to the words silence, stillness, mystery and obscurity."

Obviously, whether she is Aya or not, it's a very fitting name for an Assassin. Almost too on the nose (though in AC, the limit may not exist). Given this context, I could definitely see "Amunet" being used as a sort of code word for Aya, especially since we know Bayek holds the traditions of the ancients in very high regard.

WendysBrioche
08-23-2017, 10:15 PM
Yeah, "better next time" was the entire reason they took a year off after Syndicate. It should have been Syndicate quality this time last year, with another year to work out these issues.

The only thing that would give me faith in the AC teams at this point is if they did the honorable thing and said "you know what, we have FAITH in our game, we have FAITH that it can be a great game, and so we will take the time we need to do it right. Even if that means missing the Christmas 2017 window. Rather than having another Unity and another Syndicate fallout from it, they take the time, they do it right, and they release it when it's ready.

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." -Shigeru Miyamoto.

I think the reason for the combat appearing as it did could be that it's the first attempt and first iteration of Ubi doing hit boxed based combat.

There's also the possibility Ubi may not have been aware how much fans appreciate or don't appreciate the whole realistic look the combat always had in previous games. Maybe they thought, likely they may have thought that all the praise Dark Souls gets they could just make the combat like that instead of what the series typically had.


Whoa, that would be an interesting touch! I like it!

Did a little digging, just to piggyback off of this. On Amunet, the Egyptian goddess:



Obviously, whether she is Aya or not, it's a very fitting name for an Assassin. Almost too on the nose (though in AC, the limit may not exist). Given this context, I could definitely see "Amunet" being used as a sort of code word for Aya, especially since we know Bayek holds the traditions of the ancients in very high regard.
Idk why, but I get this really strong feeling Amunet is going to be their daughter.

Maybe the timeline of the game won't suit that, lending credence that Aya is in fact Amunet.

But I just got this gut feeling of Amunet being Bayek and Aya's daughter.

ohoni
08-24-2017, 01:23 AM
There's also the possibility Ubi may not have been aware how much fans appreciate or don't appreciate the whole realistic look the combat always had in previous games. Maybe they thought, likely they may have thought that all the praise Dark Souls gets they could just make the combat like that instead of what the series typically had.

If they weren't prepared for the backlash then they were fools who had no business working on an AC game. Reactive combat has been a core element of AC combat since the first game, it's not something you remove without expecting backlash.As to how they could have fixed it, they could have been more open in the development process, actually discussing the core gameplay modifications they were making a year or more ago. If they didn't want details of the setting to leak, they could have used abstract stand-in models and given no hints about that. It's not as if they had to worry about some other game "stealing their cool new system," since nothing in their system isn't already stolen from someplace else. By witholding all information until six months before launch, then ensured that there would be no time to make significant course corrections and still launch on time, and since they're Ubisoft, they're unwilling to take the time they need to do things right.


Idk why, but I get this really strong feeling Amunet is going to be their daughter.

Maybe the timeline of the game won't suit that, lending credence that Aya is in fact Amunet.

But I just got this gut feeling of Amunet being Bayek and Aya's daughter.

She could be their daughter, but not their genetic heir. If she was their daughter she would already have to be alive during the game, and likely already a teenager, since she's meant to kill Cleopatra.

RVSage
08-24-2017, 02:17 AM
Good Stealth Gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqGQ1Dlk45k

Fatal-Feit
08-24-2017, 03:02 AM
I can't express how happy I am with the improvements to level design and enemy placements. Especially enemy placement. Before, the guards were usually either placed too compactly in one space, too sparingly and in places where you barely play around with your tools or environment, or set up for obvious specific environmental assassinations.

WendysBrioche
08-24-2017, 03:23 AM
Good Stealth Gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqGQ1Dlk45k

Still blown away by how beautiful Memphis and the rest of the game look.

I'm one of those ridiculous over emotional wussies who can almost cry when I see too many pretty colors. XD

AC environments and cities are always the richest and amazingly crafted.

They always have the most signature and refined flavours in the design of their environments, and more so than most others they seem to be the masters of achieving the best palette and range of colors and lighting.

They always have the most optimal levels of both color balance as well as variance and diversity of color ranges. I sometimes wonder if they don't have formulas for it cause they always seem to have down to an established and well researched science.

This game and Battlefront some of the best looking and faithfully created game worlds this year and the last several years.

I personally prefer these games over witcher but that's just my preference. Witcher looks great too. Elder Scrolls etc.

Come November I'm going to be oversarurated.

Next year when Red Dead launches I'll probably just explode and die.

Abelzorus-Prime
08-24-2017, 05:28 PM
Well it appears to me that the Masked Men are a precursor to the Templars who at this point in time call themselves the Order of the Ancients, especially as we have previously seen them with an Apple of Eden in promo pics. It also appears the Templars have intertwined themselves with the religious elite like they later on do with the Catholic Church in Rome, as we see a Masked Man (https://youtu.be/fjF6li-QVTU?t=24) (Templar) being carried while the people bow before him. This is possibly a good way to demonstrate the Templars' grip over Egyptian society. We then later on see a young Pharoh (https://youtu.be/fjF6li-QVTU?t=54) as he is standing in front of a multitude of people while they bow towards him, he then turns on to his right and gives a look of consent to a Masked Man (https://youtu.be/fjF6li-QVTU?t=56) on his right revealing that the true power of Ancient Egypt has not come from the Pharohs but by the Order of the Ancients.

After the Cleopatra and Caesar montage it then cuts to a child Pharoh, who is suspected to be Ptolemy XIII Theos Philopator (https://youtu.be/fjF6li-QVTU?t=101) the younger brother of both Cleopatra, who became co-ruler alongside his sister before the the Civil War. He also has a Masked Man directing him who I believe to be Pothinus, a eunuch who stood regent for Pharaoh Ptolemy XIII. I believe this is important as it was Pothinus who turned Ptolemy against his sister and co-ruler Cleopatra VII, thus starting a civil war, and for having Pompey decapitated and presenting the severed head to Julius Caesar. Ptolemy XIII was no older than 15 so he would be very easy to manipulate, and I think Pothinus as a member of the Templar Order, is there to do just that.

My Theory is that the Templars are aiming to build a New World Order by building a vast Empire which they have control over which is eventually finalized with the Roman Empire in 27 BC, that's why I think they are tightening bonds between Egypt and Rome even further. It's also possible that they never supported Ptolemy but that the whole Civil War was orchestrated by them as a divide & rule stratergy. Perhaps manipulating events so that Caesar can join the ranks of the Templars as with him they can expand there influence throughout the known world. We also know that Assassins Marcus Brutus and Amunet kill Caesar and Cleopatra as they were affiliated with the enemy, conceivably it was the Templars ideals and goals which led Caesar to impose a Dictatorship when he returned to Rome.

What are your thoughts ladies and lads?

SixKeys
08-25-2017, 05:33 AM
He also has a Masked Man directing him who I believe to be Pothinus, a eunuch who stood regent for Pharaoh Ptolemy XIII. I believe this is important as it was Pothinus who turned Ptolemy against his sister and co-ruler Cleopatra VII, thus starting a civil war, and for having Pompey decapitated and presenting the severed head to Julius Caesar. Ptolemy XIII was no older than 15 so he would be very easy to manipulate, and I think Pothinus as a member of the Templar Order, is there to do just that.

It has actually been confirmed that the masked man is called Medunamun. Aka this guy:
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/5/52/Medunamun.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170621193920

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Medunamun

Kiroku
08-25-2017, 11:22 AM
Does anyone know if there is a dye system? Like changing the color of the outfit to black for example?

Anima_DMT
08-25-2017, 01:27 PM
In the first assassin's creed game the assassins were depicted as this very mysterious ancient order, who were fighting against the oppressors to liberate mankind.
But now that the franchise is moving forward the assassin order becomes more like a police force working in favour of the oppressors. The two best examples for this are Unity and Syndicate, where we basically work in favour of the monarchy, one of the biggest oppressive forces the world has ever seen. At the end of Syndicate we even bow to the queen.. (the most cringeworthy AC ending imo).

I don't know what happened to the franchise, but i hope they will treat the history of ancient Egypt with care, and don't believe everything mainstream historians tell them.. The problem with a lot of the mainstream historians, and humanity as a whole for that matter is that they have no real imagination, so they project the workings of our current society onto the past. They can't think outside of their own box, they create theories from their minds that are programmed by their own culture and life philosophies. Ofcourse it's a game and a work of fiction, but i think a lot of people don't realize how powerful this type of media and storytelling can be. I think it has the actual power to shape people's view of the past..that's how powerful it is. And i hope the AC team realizes this.

I investigated ancient egypt a lot and it almost feels like a lot of mainstream historians are projecting the current workings of our society onto the past.
Because a lot of the things we think we know about ancient egypt are just theories, not proven facts. For example, we still don't know how the pyramids were built, they say the pyramids of Giza were solely built as tombs for the pharaohs, but they didn't find any mummies inside the "king's chamber" whatsoever, not even hieroglyphs.
In the tombs where they DID find mummies there were hieroglyphs all over the place, but not 1 in the king's chamber. Just one big stone box that could have been used for other reasons than burrying a Pharaoh, like meditation for example. I've been in the great pyramid myself and the acoustics in the great pyramid when you sing are beyond this world and it can easily bring you into a trancelike state.
What i want you people to realize is that the ancient egyptians from the old kingdom were very scientific AND spiritual people. Not how it is nowadays where science and spirituality are basically split up, and where spirituality is hijacked by corrupt institutions like the catholic church.
One very peculiar fact i should note as well is that ancient egyptian knowledge and technology didn't evolve, but actually devolved. The architecture from the old kingdom was way more sophisticated than that from the new kingdom. It devolved over time..
This highly suggests that evolution doesn't always go up in a rising line, but that it has it's ups and downs. This fact could be perfectly used for the first civ story by the way.

The ancient Egyptians used science to get closer to the truth of god/the universe/nature,whatever you wanna call it. Their passion and love for discovering the mysteries of life and the universe was the most important aspect of their culture. Not like it is nowadays where everything evolves around profit and monetary gains.. We are led by the least among us, turning us into a mechanical, soulless species..

God is inside of us. It is everywhere around us. We can form and shape reality the way we see fit.

We are walking on a spinning ball, with a thin organic shield around it, protecting us from deadly radiation. With trees growing out of the ground, giving us oxygen and the most amazing colorful healthy fruits FOR FREE, without a pricetag.
I hope the majority of humanity will wake up from all the cultural programming one day, and realize that this existence we are born into is magical and precious beyond measure and believe. The potential we have on this planet is beyond imagination. We live on a garden of a planet. The only thing that's messing it up is our current system and the false leaders that it creates.



It's the past that creates the present, and it's the present that creates the future.

Anima_DMT
08-25-2017, 01:46 PM
Zahi Hawass (Arabic: زاهي حواس‎‎; born May 28, 1947) is an Egyptian archaeologist, an Egyptologist, and former Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs. He has also worked at archaeological sites in the Nile Delta, the Western Desert, and the Upper Nile Valley.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4NnCAZcxHg

AnimusLover
08-25-2017, 03:09 PM
Does anyone know if there is a dye system? Like changing the color of the outfit to black for example?

I think most AC games have had this bar AC1 so I'd imagine, yes, there would be, especially seeing as the customisation seems to have more depth than ever before.

strigoi1958
08-25-2017, 05:46 PM
Does anyone know if there is a dye system? Like changing the color of the outfit to black for example?

That would great, I liked the tailor shops where Ezio could dye his outfits

Fatal-Feit
08-25-2017, 05:49 PM
I don't know about any dye system but there's this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u47qch-IPdA

strigoi1958
08-25-2017, 06:04 PM
In the first assassin's creed game the assassins were depicted as this very mysterious ancient order, who were fighting against the oppressors to liberate mankind.
But now that the franchise is moving forward the assassin order becomes more like a police force working in favour of the oppressors. The two best examples for this are Unity and Syndicate, where we basically work in favour of the monarchy, one of the biggest oppressive forces the world has ever seen. At the end of Syndicate we even bow to the queen.. (the most cringeworthy AC ending imo).


I do not know what AC games you've been playing but you have the completely wrong idea of what Assassin's Creed is about.

Assassins and Templars are competing to try to bring peace to the world in 2 different ways.... neither are fighting oppressors. There are not any games (including Unity or Syndicate) where Assassins stop being assassins in order to become police or anything else. Assassins do whatever they can in order to achieve their final objective (world peace). Bowing is a mark of respect just like an officer saluting an enemy officer.... it doesn't mean he's joined the enemy, it's just respect.

I'm going to assume English is not your native language and therefore pay less attention to your post that seems a little too close to anti British anti Christianity and anti authority.... (you might want to throw Trump in there as well although judging by your last paragraph you might be Trump ;) )

strigoi1958
08-25-2017, 06:11 PM
@Fatal_Feit

I really like the Egyptian Wahid :)

crusader_prophet
08-25-2017, 07:08 PM
although judging by your last paragraph you might be Trump ;) )
Lol wouldn't surprise me.

Sushiglutton
08-25-2017, 09:17 PM
I've been such a good boy and haven't looked at any gameplay from gamescom at all. Just the cinematic trailer like twenty times, but no gameplay. Two more months now...

Abelzorus-Prime
08-25-2017, 09:42 PM
It has actually been confirmed that the masked man is called Medunamun.

Where has it been confirmed? Source?

SixKeys
08-26-2017, 08:34 AM
Where has it been confirmed? Source?

Access The Animus posted an image of a T-shirt being sold at Gamescom, with the masked man and his name next to him. I tried to upload the picture to an image hosting service, but was unable to (probably some sort of copyright protection). Can't post a direct link, I think, but you can find it on their Facebook page under Photos. You'll have to scroll a bit, it was posted on August 23rd.

jdowny
08-26-2017, 09:40 AM
I've been such a good boy and haven't looked at any gameplay from gamescom at all. Just the cinematic trailer like twenty times, but no gameplay. Two more months now...

I'm jealous. I've watched too much Gamescom footage... I've drawn the line at tomb exploration, cutscenes with Cleopatra and the character trailer though.

Kiroku
08-26-2017, 11:39 AM
I don't know about any dye system but there's this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u47qch-IPdA

Damn that outfit looks pretty good. I wonder if we can drop outfits/mounts in chests.Maybe schemes to craft but for immersion aspects it actually makes sense if not and we are only able to get outfits and mounts via merchants.

Abelzorus-Prime
08-26-2017, 12:28 PM
Access The Animus posted an image of a T-shirt being sold at Gamescom, with the masked man and his name next to him. I tried to upload the picture to an image hosting service, but was unable to (probably some sort of copyright protection). Can't post a direct link, I think, but you can find it on their Facebook page under Photos. You'll have to scroll a bit, it was posted on August 23rd.

I don't think that is confirmation that, the particular Masked Man in the trailer is Medunamun. There are multiple Masked Men and he is probably one of them though, but I still think the Masked Man manipulating Ptolemy XIII is Pothinus.

Megas_Doux
08-26-2017, 03:38 PM
Good Stealth Gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqGQ1Dlk45k


Best AC Origins video my a country mile!!!!!


Speaking of which, this is my favorite Ac player in youtube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YixF6p7YVeU

Ubi should totally hire that guy for the live presentations.

Sushiglutton
08-26-2017, 07:57 PM
I'm jealous. I've watched too much Gamescom footage... I've drawn the line at tomb exploration, cutscenes with Cleopatra and the character trailer though.

That Uncharted 4 spoiled the best segment has given me the strength to resist :).

Sounds like a pretty good strategy. Exploring a tomb that you have allready seen a playthrough makes it pretty pointless imo, so that's a good one to skip. And all story stuff. Never ever thought "I wish I knew that story element in advance" when playing a game lol.

Fatal-Feit
08-26-2017, 08:19 PM
Best AC Origins video my a country mile!!!!!


Speaking of which, this is my favorite Ac player in youtube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YixF6p7YVeU

Ubi should totally hire that guy for the live presentations.

I definitely think he should be hired to help work on the game, but for live presentations like that, it would be hard because you can't really master a work-in-progress game and these kind of videos take at least two dozen takes or more to perfect.

SixKeys
08-26-2017, 11:04 PM
Best AC Origins video my a country mile!!!!!


Speaking of which, this is my favorite Ac player in youtube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YixF6p7YVeU

Ubi should totally hire that guy for the live presentations.

Nice videos, both of them. Good to see stealth gameplay in ACO at last.


Edit: I just noticed in the ACO video that when you look at your mount in the inventory, it says: "Menes (Mount). He who endures. Snatches you from the fire when things get dangerous."

So it looks like different mounts will have different bonus abilities. :eek: That's cool.

Kiroku
08-27-2017, 12:48 PM
I really hope the devs will still work on the game after the release and support it for a longer time that previous games. Since its so huge it really needs more time to fix several bugs and issues.

Fatal-Feit
08-27-2017, 09:08 PM
I really hope the devs will still work on the game after the release and support it for a longer time that previous games. Since its so huge it really needs more time to fix several bugs and issues.

I hope so too, and I think they are leaning towards that direction with this game. It's shaping up to be an expansive open world, sandbox game with plenty of content, progression and depth to keep players tied into the experience from nearly all angles. As you said, it will require a lot of work after launch to refine, but alongside its content, it also has a promising base to keep expanding with DLC more worthwhile than what we've ever had before and (hopefully) continuous free content like WD2, FH, R6S and Wildlands. Ubisoft have been doing the games-are-a-service format with their main games recently and Origins seems to fit into the list. I don't expect a new main AC game in 2018.