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p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 09:18 AM
The waffle
ok, so we are getting mossie, pe2, b25, ju88, typhoon, tempest, italian planes etc.

theres PLENTY floating around for another addon, based around the med, and ETO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

so along with the new planes, and that map of sicily pdog saw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif, do some

variations on planes we already got with little effort.

im thinking of p51B/C/D in RAF spec, p47m, bf109 varients listed by jagd/kara, stuka g2

and maybe D7, and more loadouts to complete the game.

i want other forum users to suggest the planes, they gotta be EASY to add, this is a

pure cashcow for 1c http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

boxart done by leadspitter and seafire, and then u can goto ubi with a complete

product. also u could include some of the cool movies made by the community, and

skins/missions/campaigns made. *edit* and high res and edited screens http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

id say gibb be in charge of models, leadspitter & tonyt for skins, extreme

one/polymando for missions. and idontknow for overall in chargeness http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

very little investment needed by yourselves to make this possible, and it would be a

great product http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

sorry for long messy post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

3rd party planes of www.il2db.com (http://www.il2db.com) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

*edit*


Russian

3rd party
i-15 & maybe i-15bis
IL-10 ? dont know whats happened to this birdhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
PE2 & maybe pe3 if time etc
MIGHTY u2vs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Inhouse
boosher has mentioned a yak1 varient, small window change

Russian ordinance
yak UT needs 20mm,23mm and another calibre i think

German

German 3rd party
110C4 is a maybe
Ta-152 C1/3 cockpit being done by maddox i belive
ju88 is done/near completion
ju188 - up in the air :\
he219 - 90% external, hope this gets done (best german night fighter btw)
me 210/410 cockpit being done, problems with references
Do-335 external finished
Hs129 - cockpit being made
ar-196 - says working on but i not see anything for long time
He115 nearing completion

For 1c "inhouse" mods
german
1942 Bf 109F-4 with full boost @ 1.42 ATA
1943 Bf 109G-2 with full boost @ 1.42 ATA
1943 Bf 109G-6/U2 with original GM-1 nitrous-oxide boost system
1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 with "Field Mod" GM-1 boost system converted in the field for MW-50

(water- methanol) use.
1945 Bf 109G-10 with DB605DCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109G-14 with DB605ASCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109K-4 with DB605DCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
* As a note, Mercedes-Benz AG archives does lists the DB605DCM as a 1944 engine.
(BTW, I know of Oleg's strive to perfection but the Bf 109G-14 we currently have in the

game could easily "pass" as a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod MW-50" - the external is pretty

much bang-on and the observed perfomance in the sim is pretty close.....worst-case

scenario, they could easily add a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" MW50 to the current Bf 109

line-up simply by taking the existing G-14 external & flight model and renaming it

"1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod w/MW-50" & add the G-6 late loadouts options to it.......
"Nice to have":
** 1945 Bf 109K-14 with DB605L two-stage supercharger @ 1700hp at take-off & 4 blade

propeller.
HE162A1 with mk108 (i guess at no/very small fm/3d changes if only guns swapped
FW190 d11/12/13 (are some restored ones about, so u could varify. i would guess at

something like ta152 nose put onto 190D model.
Fw190F9 (he162 to f9 suggested by NN_EnigmuS )
mistal with 109 (others too like 262 mistal?)
Ju87-B early, g2, D7/8
fw190A Sturmbock - Danschnell

German ordinance

- SD1000
- PC1000
- PC1400 (need those, definately with Jippo's Ju 88 coming)
- SD1700
- Panzerblitz I
- Panzerblitz II
- Rocket tubes on the late Gustav
- Any loadouts + drop-tanks on the Freidrich (Bf 109 F-2/F-4)
- MG151/20 motor-kanone option on the Bf 109G-10 & G-14

loadouts for fw190D (mainly jabo)
The rack on the Fw 190A that needs to go when you select "outboard cannons removed"

option.
Silly & cartoonish muzzle flash effects specially on the Mk 108.
^ all above from jagdmailer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



British

3rd party


1c "inhouse"
p51B/c/D with higher manifold pressure (81" i belive)
150 octane fuel for the various planes, label them "late" or 150OC (different planes so

can be left out of dogfights missions etc)
G suits also, again different plane i think would be best

British ordinance
40mm guns for the hurri
possible bombs for gladiator and 2x extra .303's on top underwing in same config as

lower wing, for navel version (good for med, possible for PF)
different wings for spitfires, id really like a VA (8x 303)

American

3rd party
all going into PF i think

1c "inhouse"
p47M
p47 field mod D27 with 2500hp (conservative estimate of average unoffical boosting,

only 200hp more)
150 fuel and G suits again
B25 cockpits, h-75 hawk/p36, ai douglas A-20G (maybe flyable) < jagd

american ordinance
p47 with 2x 1000lbs on wing racks, and 1x500 on centerline


Italy

3rd party
I think that Club Med also had some AI Cant Z. 506 float and Cant Z. 1007bis bomber

tri-motor, and Br. 20 done. They had a post on netwings with about 10 Italian aircrafts

WIP. < to be confirmed

1c "inhouse"

others (Czech,Hungary,France, Poland, Finland, Romania,Netherlands(holland)

3rd party
Fokker 21 - unknow progress but near complition i belive - jagd

1c "inhouse"

Ground objects and ships
Panzerkampfwagen 35(t) and Pkfw 38(t) < jagd

Maps
Sicily, murmensk or another russian map
terrain editor?

Notes
first, please suggest stuff, also do research if possible so its ready if oleg agrees

to your suggestion.

If ive left your suggestion or credit out, post again, as its likely tobe a accident

rather than on purpose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No japanease stuff, im assuming thats all for PF

add more soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


also need title for this addon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif so suggest stuff :P

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p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 09:18 AM
The waffle
ok, so we are getting mossie, pe2, b25, ju88, typhoon, tempest, italian planes etc.

theres PLENTY floating around for another addon, based around the med, and ETO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

so along with the new planes, and that map of sicily pdog saw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif, do some

variations on planes we already got with little effort.

im thinking of p51B/C/D in RAF spec, p47m, bf109 varients listed by jagd/kara, stuka g2

and maybe D7, and more loadouts to complete the game.

i want other forum users to suggest the planes, they gotta be EASY to add, this is a

pure cashcow for 1c http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

boxart done by leadspitter and seafire, and then u can goto ubi with a complete

product. also u could include some of the cool movies made by the community, and

skins/missions/campaigns made. *edit* and high res and edited screens http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

id say gibb be in charge of models, leadspitter & tonyt for skins, extreme

one/polymando for missions. and idontknow for overall in chargeness http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

very little investment needed by yourselves to make this possible, and it would be a

great product http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

sorry for long messy post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

3rd party planes of www.il2db.com (http://www.il2db.com) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

*edit*


Russian

3rd party
i-15 & maybe i-15bis
IL-10 ? dont know whats happened to this birdhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
PE2 & maybe pe3 if time etc
MIGHTY u2vs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Inhouse
boosher has mentioned a yak1 varient, small window change

Russian ordinance
yak UT needs 20mm,23mm and another calibre i think

German

German 3rd party
110C4 is a maybe
Ta-152 C1/3 cockpit being done by maddox i belive
ju88 is done/near completion
ju188 - up in the air :\
he219 - 90% external, hope this gets done (best german night fighter btw)
me 210/410 cockpit being done, problems with references
Do-335 external finished
Hs129 - cockpit being made
ar-196 - says working on but i not see anything for long time
He115 nearing completion

For 1c "inhouse" mods
german
1942 Bf 109F-4 with full boost @ 1.42 ATA
1943 Bf 109G-2 with full boost @ 1.42 ATA
1943 Bf 109G-6/U2 with original GM-1 nitrous-oxide boost system
1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 with "Field Mod" GM-1 boost system converted in the field for MW-50

(water- methanol) use.
1945 Bf 109G-10 with DB605DCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109G-14 with DB605ASCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109K-4 with DB605DCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
* As a note, Mercedes-Benz AG archives does lists the DB605DCM as a 1944 engine.
(BTW, I know of Oleg's strive to perfection but the Bf 109G-14 we currently have in the

game could easily "pass" as a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod MW-50" - the external is pretty

much bang-on and the observed perfomance in the sim is pretty close.....worst-case

scenario, they could easily add a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" MW50 to the current Bf 109

line-up simply by taking the existing G-14 external & flight model and renaming it

"1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod w/MW-50" & add the G-6 late loadouts options to it.......
"Nice to have":
** 1945 Bf 109K-14 with DB605L two-stage supercharger @ 1700hp at take-off & 4 blade

propeller.
HE162A1 with mk108 (i guess at no/very small fm/3d changes if only guns swapped
FW190 d11/12/13 (are some restored ones about, so u could varify. i would guess at

something like ta152 nose put onto 190D model.
Fw190F9 (he162 to f9 suggested by NN_EnigmuS )
mistal with 109 (others too like 262 mistal?)
Ju87-B early, g2, D7/8
fw190A Sturmbock - Danschnell

German ordinance

- SD1000
- PC1000
- PC1400 (need those, definately with Jippo's Ju 88 coming)
- SD1700
- Panzerblitz I
- Panzerblitz II
- Rocket tubes on the late Gustav
- Any loadouts + drop-tanks on the Freidrich (Bf 109 F-2/F-4)
- MG151/20 motor-kanone option on the Bf 109G-10 & G-14

loadouts for fw190D (mainly jabo)
The rack on the Fw 190A that needs to go when you select "outboard cannons removed"

option.
Silly & cartoonish muzzle flash effects specially on the Mk 108.
^ all above from jagdmailer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



British

3rd party


1c "inhouse"
p51B/c/D with higher manifold pressure (81" i belive)
150 octane fuel for the various planes, label them "late" or 150OC (different planes so

can be left out of dogfights missions etc)
G suits also, again different plane i think would be best

British ordinance
40mm guns for the hurri
possible bombs for gladiator and 2x extra .303's on top underwing in same config as

lower wing, for navel version (good for med, possible for PF)
different wings for spitfires, id really like a VA (8x 303)

American

3rd party
all going into PF i think

1c "inhouse"
p47M
p47 field mod D27 with 2500hp (conservative estimate of average unoffical boosting,

only 200hp more)
150 fuel and G suits again
B25 cockpits, h-75 hawk/p36, ai douglas A-20G (maybe flyable) &lt; jagd

american ordinance
p47 with 2x 1000lbs on wing racks, and 1x500 on centerline


Italy

3rd party
I think that Club Med also had some AI Cant Z. 506 float and Cant Z. 1007bis bomber

tri-motor, and Br. 20 done. They had a post on netwings with about 10 Italian aircrafts

WIP. &lt; to be confirmed

1c "inhouse"

others (Czech,Hungary,France, Poland, Finland, Romania,Netherlands(holland)

3rd party
Fokker 21 - unknow progress but near complition i belive - jagd

1c "inhouse"

Ground objects and ships
Panzerkampfwagen 35(t) and Pkfw 38(t) &lt; jagd

Maps
Sicily, murmensk or another russian map
terrain editor?

Notes
first, please suggest stuff, also do research if possible so its ready if oleg agrees

to your suggestion.

If ive left your suggestion or credit out, post again, as its likely tobe a accident

rather than on purpose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No japanease stuff, im assuming thats all for PF

add more soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


also need title for this addon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif so suggest stuff :P

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Gunner_361st
07-11-2004, 09:29 AM
I'd agree with that. With all these nice planes coming to us, I think it'd be a good idea to package them all together along with a new map or two and release a final add-on for Forgotten Battles before all work is shifted to Pacific Fighters and Battle of Britain.

Major Gunner of the 361st vFG

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HuninMunin
07-11-2004, 09:32 AM
Great idea!

Simon "Hunin" Phoenix

Oberst der Deutschen GoF Trolling Korps

Bull_dog_
07-11-2004, 09:38 AM
A med based map and some new aircraft...add the N model P-47, early model P-38 F or G, finish Meshsmoother's A-36/Mustang Mk Ia, drop a tropical filter on the spit mk V and put on a "C" wing and you'd have some essentials for a med based operation torch and/or Malta...

One last addy I rarely hear anyone talk about...easy to do (seems to me anyways)... a Hurrican Mk IID w/ those 40mm wing cannons.

p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 10:29 AM
i think p47N and early p38's are in PF...

id very much like a p51A/a-36...

and yes to 40mm anti tank hurri http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ok, so we are getting mossie, pe2, b25, ju88, typhoon, tempest, italian planes etc.

theres PLENTY floating around for another addon, based around the med, and ETO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

so along with the new planes, and that map of sicily pdog saw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif, do some variations on planes we already got with little effort.

im thinking of p51B/C/D in RAF spec, p47m, bf109 varients listed by jagd/kara, stuka g2 and maybe D7, and more loadouts to complete the game.

i want other forum users to suggest the planes, they gotta be EASY to add, this is a pure cashcow for 1c http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

boxart done by leadspitter and seafire, and then u can goto ubi with a complete product. also u could include some of the cool movies made by the community, and skins/missions/campaigns made.

id say gibb be in charge of models, leadspitter & tonyt for skins, extreme one/polymando for missions. and idontknow for overall in chargeness http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

very little investment needed by yourselves to make this possible, and it would be a great product http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

sorry for long messy post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

*edit*
3rd party planes of http://www.il2db.com http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
russian
i-15 & maybe i-15bis
IL-10 ? dont know whats happened to this birdhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
PE2 & maybe pe3 if time etc
MIGHTY u2vs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

german
110C4 is a maybe
Ta-152 C1/3 cockpit being done by maddox i belive
ju88 is done/near completion
ju188 - up in the air :\
he219 - 90% external, hope this gets done (best german night fighter btw)
me 210/410 cockpit being done, problems with references
Do-335 external finished
Hs129 - cockpit being made
ar-196 - says working on but i not see anything for long time

He115 nearing completion

id like maddox to make mistal with 109 if possible aswell.

add more soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Your list is somewhat accurate. Some of those will not make it in time, some other may.

Anyhow, in the scope of AEP2, we also need those LW ordinance:

- SD1000
- PC1000
- PC1400 (need those, definately with Jippo's Ju 88 coming)
- SD1700
- Panzerblitz I
- Panzerblitz II
- Rocket tubes on the late Gustav
- Any loadouts + drop-tanks on the Freidrich (Bf 109 F-2/F-4)
- MG151/20 motor-kanone option on the Bf 109G-14 7 G-14

The rack on the Fw 190A that needs to go when you select "outboard cannons removed" option.

Silly & cartoonish muzzle flash effects specially on the Mk 108.

Additionally, a Fw 190F-9 would not take too much work to do in a scope of an AEP2.

About AEP2 & why Oleg should think seriously about this one, here is my 2 cents: (from an earlier post)

Well, I have said this many times but they better have something for Il-2/FB/AEP for me if they want to keep selling me stuff until BoB as I am definately NOT buying PF.

Don't like the theater, airplanes are butt ugly & the fact that Luthier and some of his lackies are behing it just make my whole decision not to purchase it even easier. I just feel bad for Starshoy....

I hope that Oleg has the business smarts & savy to keep the FB/AEP franchise "alive" just a little longer so he can get revenues from the people that will not buy PF and until BoB gets on the shelf late in 2005 if not 2006.

Cheers,

JagdMailer

VW-IceFire
07-11-2004, 11:27 AM
Yes to all of that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 11:48 AM
yes i realise some planes will not make it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

but we dont really know which ones will and wont make it..

ill edit in your suggestions, make it easier for oleg and others http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 12:01 PM
jagdmailer, could u post a nice summary of your bf109 wants? and other stuff so i can edit it in nicely. also need it tobe correct, and i know very little about 109/LW.
thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
yes i realise some planes will not make it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

but we dont really know which ones will and wont make it..

ill edit in your suggestions, make it easier for oleg and others http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Typo: - MG151/20 motor-kanone option on the Bf 109G-14 7 G-14

That should have read - MG151/20 motor-kanone option for the Bf 109G-10 & G-14.

I think also the Doras need to get their Jabo loadout "fleshed-out".

In refering to loadouts, I beleive that Butch2K sent comprehensive (ie. complete) loadout specs (including bombs, tanks, and ammo counts) for all of the FB (not AEP) LW aircrafts to Oleg circa summer 2003, some of which were corrected/added to with AEP (ie. He 111, Ju 87D). However, some loadouts are still missing for some LW aircrafts, while other have none or very little of what they should have in reality. I would check with Butch2K, and get him to confirm that the lists included the latest AEP & 2.01 LW birds (ie. Fw 190A-6, Ta 152H....) as well as the ones that are planned for the next add-on....ie. Ta 152C, Fw 190F-9 ?, Do 335.....etc....) I am sure that Jippo & crew got their Ju 88s well covered with Oleg for loadouts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW, there was some chance of an AI Ju 88S-1/S-3 when I last check with Jippo. Not enough time and ref. material to get it flyable.

Thanks for your time.

Regards,

Jagd

p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 12:25 PM
ah cool, thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
*corrects typo*

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LeadSpitter_
07-11-2004, 12:34 PM
All the ai, two and single engined aircraft http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Bombers have too many stations but the fighters and twin engines would require just 1 or two stations

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NN_EnigmuS
07-11-2004, 12:35 PM
yup some modern Ju87 and He111 will be cool too,and don't forget some more 190 like Fw190D11/12/13 and why not a He162A1 with 2*mk108

i'm for all here some more P47,P38,Raf mustang,some field 109 and 190,more loadouts(panzerblitz for Fw190F8/9 etc..)

and don't forget in upcoming plane the Hs129 and spitMK14(hope they will be in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif)

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jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
jagdmailer, could u post a nice summary of your bf109 wants? and other stuff so i can edit it in nicely. also need it tobe correct, and i know very little about 109/LW.
thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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There you go Pingu,

"Needed":

1942 Bf 109F-4 with full boost @ 1.42 ATA
1943 Bf 109G-2 with full boost @ 1.42 ATA
1943 Bf 109G-6/U2 with original GM-1 nitrous-oxide boost system
1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 with "Field Mod" GM-1 boost system converted in the field for MW-50 (water- methanol) use.
1945 Bf 109G-10 with DB605DCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109G-14 with DB605ASCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109K-4 with DB605DCM @ 2000hp at take-off & 1800hp at rated altitude

* As a note, Mercedes-Benz AG archives does lists the DB605DCM as a 1944 engine.

(BTW, I know of Oleg's strive to perfection but the Bf 109G-14 we currently have in the game could easily "pass" as a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod MW-50" - the external is pretty much bang-on and the observed perfomance in the sim is pretty close.....worst-case scenario, they could easily add a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" MW50 to the current Bf 109 line-up simply by taking the existing G-14 external & flight model and renaming it "1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod w/MW-50" & add the G-6 late loadouts options to it.......http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Nice to have":

** 1945 Bf 109K-14 with DB605L two-stage supercharger @ 1700hp at take-off & 4 blade propeller.

** As far as the very low production variants (we did get many Yaks & Polikarpov that never went into production in the last patch), I know it could be a long shot since some external mods would be needed, (at least 4 bladed prop). I would be quite contempt with the 7 variant listed aboves, which I beleive are needed. However, I would like to see a Bf 109K-14 with DB605L & 4-blade propeller if at all possible.

Cheers,

JagdMailer

jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
yup some modern Ju87 and He111 will be cool too,and don't forget some more 190 like Fw190D11/12/13 and why not a He162A1 with 2*mk108

i'm for all here some more P47,P38,Raf mustang,some field 109 and 190,more loadouts(panzerblitz for Fw190F8/9 etc..)

and don't forget in upcoming plane the Hs129 and spitMK14(hope they will be in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif)

http://www.nnavirex.com/public/enigmus.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, Oleg said a definate "NO" to any late doras ie. D-11/D-12/D-13/D-15 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

He claims there are not enough reference material/blueprints even for the external models.

Jagd

jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 01:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
yup some modern Ju87 and He111 will be cool too,and don't forget some more 190 like Fw190D11/12/13 and why not a He162A1 with 2*mk108

i'm for all here some more P47,P38,Raf mustang,some field 109 and 190,more loadouts(panzerblitz for Fw190F8/9 etc..)

and don't forget in upcoming plane the Hs129 and spitMK14(hope they will be in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif)

http://www.nnavirex.com/public/enigmus.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, Oleg said a definate "NO" to any late doras ie. D-11/D-12/D-13/D-15 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

He claims there are not enough reference material/blueprints even for the external models.

Jagd<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have said - He claims there are not enough "accurate" reference material/blueprints even for the external models.

Jagd

jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ah cool, thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
*corrects typo*

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Pingu,

Don't forget I think we have cockpits for some of the B-25 variants, Curtiss H-75 Hawk (1 or 2)and possibly an AI Douglas A-20G or even possible flyable, as long as Luthier does not hog that one for PF. So you can add to you list.....

Jagd

p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 02:37 PM
true jag http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
just remmbered i edited stuff in, and forgot to give credit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Lead, your asking too much im afriad

thanks to everyone thats suggested stuff
edit again time

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SeaFireLIV
07-11-2004, 02:43 PM
Great stuuf. Nice idea Pingu. Doing the Box, manual art would be great too! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LeadSpitter_
07-11-2004, 02:51 PM
i would actually like to see a new 190a model, better damage model, one with the fan blades that show when the prop is spinning rather then a flat solid circle covering the engine. Also the way the light hits the tail segment bugs me.

Maybe with a new model the huge bar can be reduced so it wont have to cover up clipping and get strenched vertically with the fish eye lens system il2fb uses.

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jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
true jag http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
just remmbered i edited stuff in, and forgot to give credit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Lead, your asking too much im afriad

thanks to everyone thats suggested stuff
edit again time

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Pingu,

New maps: There is apparently a new map being made for FB for the Murmansk area. You can add that one!

Jagd

p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 03:14 PM
very true jagd http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
thanks again

im in post edit hell atm tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

trying to make it clear and easy to read while getting info accross and being compact

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jagdmailer
07-11-2004, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
very true jagd http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
thanks again

im in post edit hell atm tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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Pingu,

Given the current context and sizzling pace of activities at Maddox/1C and along with your initial post, I would really try to ensure that the only items (aircrafts, cockpits, ships, ground objects, ordinance, maps...) that get on your list are items that were either confirmed by Maddox/1C for upcoming patch or that would require minimal efforts/changes to get into the sim in the context of an AEP2.

BTW, for ground objects, we have Panzerkampfwagen 35(t) and Pkfw 38(t) that have been completed for a while.

I think that Club Med also had some AI Cant Z. 506 float and Cant Z. 1007bis bomber tri-motor, and Br. 20 done. They had a post on netwings with about 10 Italian aircrafts WIP. You should confirm with Veltro.

Jagd

p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 04:31 PM
yes that is true...
ill have a ponder and tidy up and add to the thread tomoz, need to goto sleep now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
real problem of clarify which are easiest ones for oleg and his staff todo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-12-2004, 02:48 AM
yes to all of that Med stuff.

I know it has been said that 1c plan to do the Med after BoB, but we got a lot of the planes for the theatre, and just a couple of maps of Malta and Sicily, and maybe Libya/Tunisia (and Crete as well??)

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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NN_EnigmuS
07-12-2004, 03:49 AM
jagd there is a Fw190D12 or D13 in restoration and he his complete both cokpit and external lol
the non data for make it seems quite strange when the Ta152C come to Aep and never fly
(thanks harti http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif)

i've seen quite a lot of cokpit photos on this Fw if someone had the link
but anyway....

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Hoarmurath
07-12-2004, 04:14 AM
I'm already very happy that we finally had an online desert map. Next step would have been to have a couple offline maps, like malta/sicily and libya/tunisia (and corsica, egypt, italy, romanian as a bonus?). This is one of the reasons i would have liked to have PF compatible with AEP, so we could have Med carrier operations as well.
In fact, Med would require much less work than PF, and it would be a much welcome new theater.

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PE_Sushi
07-12-2004, 05:01 AM
this thread reminds me the "planes that could easily be added to FB" thread http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think that these could not only be easily added, but also be intersting for gameplay and give many new options to mission builders :

- bombs and rockets for hurri
- Ju87-B early (used during Bob) = basicaly the same with less armor and (maybe)no self sealing tank

@Pingu : you forgot the DO-17Z : external model almost completed by Omega Team which is OK to pass it to anybody willing and able to finish it

NN_EnigmuS
07-12-2004, 08:08 AM
perhaps as oleg refused the spit Mk9 ground attacker,they can add to the spit Mk9 the closer of it some rockets as they already made

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Capt.England
07-12-2004, 09:40 AM
Just one plane that I want is a early Meteor Jet. I think oleg said once that he wanted to do it? Please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jagdmailer
07-12-2004, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
I'm already very happy that we finally had an online desert map. Next step would have been to have a couple offline maps, like malta/sicily and libya/tunisia (and corsica, egypt, italy, romanian as a bonus?). This is one of the reasons i would have liked to have PF compatible with AEP, so we could have Med carrier operations as well.
In fact, Med would require much less work than PF, and it would be a much welcome new theater.

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, Oleg already said that the online not-historical desert map is all that we will get for FB/AEP as far as the Med/North Africa is concerned.

Apparently, accodring to Oleg, UBI will not allow him to release any accurate Med/North Africa maps for FB/AEP. I am sure he is also concerned not to canibalize his own market now before he can release the full BoB Add-on about the Med/North Africa. So in the end, looks like we will have to wait until at least 2006 for the Med/north Africa. The only bright side is that it will be based on the newer BoB code.
Cheers,

JagdMailer

jagdmailer
07-12-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
jagd there is a Fw190D12 or D13 in restoration and he his complete both cokpit and external lol
the non data for make it seems quite strange when the Ta152C come to Aep and never fly
(thanks harti http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif)

i've seen quite a lot of cokpit photos on this Fw if someone had the link
but anyway....

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I agree this one is puzzling. But Oleg did post in this forum that we will not see any late Doras in FB so that is the way it will be I am afraid. It's probably getting a little too late for someone to get a hold of that D13 being restored and send Oleg accurate pics of external and cockpit, although it would not hurt to attempt it if anyone can.

I am gladful we are getting a Ta 152C (actually 2 of them) so I won't complain....Ta 152H is OK, but FB's high altitude modeling is really poor, so it's not of much use up there.

BTW, the ta 152C did in fact fly, at least in prototype form.

Cheers,

JagdMailer

jagdmailer
07-12-2004, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PE_Sushi:
this thread reminds me the "planes that could easily be added to FB" thread http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think that these could not only be easily added, but also be intersting for gameplay and give many new options to mission builders :

- bombs and rockets for hurri
- Ju87-B early (used during Bob) = basicaly the same with less armor and (maybe)no self sealing tank

@Pingu : you forgot the DO-17Z : external model almost completed by Omega Team which is OK to pass it to anybody willing and able to finish it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not think the Do 17Z-2 will ever make it. It's been in so many modeller's hands it's not even funny anymore. The fact of the matter is that most of Omega's modeller have been suckered in the dark side by Luthier.......

I have tried beleive me....

JagdMailer

Danschnell
07-12-2004, 11:44 AM
I have just one request. A Sturmbock Fw190A. They specially armoured the front of the planes so that they could fly in a straight line directly up to a B-17s 6 o'clock and absorb all the .50 fire without being shot down.

The 190 is famous for being tough, and its my favourite plane, so I'm sick of being shot down because it seems so flimsy, even if it is a little better than other planes.

If this last add-on you talk of will be the last development of IL2FB ever, I hope that Ubi sort out the damage models, or everone will complain and it will never be fixed.

There doesn't seem to be much whining these days at all about flight models. It seems everyone is happy these days. Ubi have got it right so they should leave the FMs alone now. They might not be perfect but we wouldn't want them ruining a good thing. Now they should concentrate on getting an absolutely spot on damage model for all aircraft... then the sim would finally become PERFECT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jagdmailer
07-12-2004, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Danschnell:
I have just one request. A Sturmbock Fw190A. They specially armoured the front of the planes so that they could fly in a straight line directly up to a B-17s 6 o'clock and absorb all the .50 fire without being shot down.

The 190 is famous for being tough, and its my favourite plane, so I'm sick of being shot down because it seems so flimsy, even if it is a little better than other planes.

If this last add-on you talk of will be the last development of IL2FB ever, I hope that Ubi sort out the damage models, or everone will complain and it will never be fixed.

There doesn't seem to be much whining these days at all about flight models. It seems everyone is happy these days. Ubi have got it right so they should leave the FMs alone now. They might not be perfect but we wouldn't want them ruining a good thing. Now they should concentrate on getting an absolutely spot on damage model for all aircraft... then the sim would finally become PERFECT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW, I think the FB Fw 190A-8 handles just like the up-armoured Sturmbock in the sim as it is, without the extra protection afforded by the armour.......

All joking aside, yes it would be great having a Sturmbock with the protection of the extra armour. However, it would also be nive to have a basic A-8 that actually handles the way it should.

Jagd

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-12-2004, 03:26 PM
Yes please more maps !!Dare I say it a terrain editor would be greatly appreciated? Given the scope of aircraft we already have and the lack of appropriate theaters to fly them in.

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p1ngu666
07-12-2004, 04:39 PM
edited http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
how can i underline stuff? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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jagdmailer
07-12-2004, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
edited http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
how can i underline stuff? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Pingu,

BTW, I just got confirmation from the Ju 88 crew that the Ju 88S was dropped altogether. ie. not even AI I am afraid.

No time, very little source material and Oleg busy with PF and BoB was cited as reasons.

I am not complaining since we are getting so many flyable Ju 88s anyway, but I just wanted to mention this in the scope of your project.

Thanks much to Jippo/Dietger/Hammerd/Falkster BTW.

Cheers,

Jagd

p1ngu666
07-12-2004, 05:13 PM
thanks jag, uve been a major help with this, ill edit in a big thanku next edit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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jagdmailer
07-12-2004, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
thanks jag, uve been a major help with this, ill edit in a big thanku next edit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Once you are done, you should make a logo for it (AEP2) and maybe some box art if you are really into it, and call it "AEP2 - according to Pingu" possiby by Maddox games and possibly published by UBI soft.....possible release late Fall 2004.

hehehe

Jagd

p1ngu666
07-12-2004, 05:55 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
leadspitter is the photochop master, so ii think he be best man for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

if it was pingu AEP2, id add a swordfish, cos swordfish = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

id reduce muzzle flash on guns that matter, but not wing guns/externals, cos i like big flashes and stuff. get rid of the flash that was in he162 when u fired http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

oh and id have a stunt island thing, with lotsa cool bits. like a flooded airfield, so masses or spray on takeoff/landing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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NN_EnigmuS
07-13-2004, 04:59 AM
here there is cockpit stuff for the D13 lol

http://p069.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeexperten71774frm7.showMessageRange?topic ID=26.topic&start=1&stop=20

and there is a lot of external photos of it in this forum too,FwD13 seems to be basicly a D9 with a Ta152H noise and perhaps(i'm not sure)the enlarged tail of Ta152 too like some D9 were equiped at the end of the war

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p1ngu666
07-13-2004, 07:45 AM
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/d13/cockpit4.JPG

damn factory spec, need field-mod. they took off hte handle and replaced it with a wheel and a hammpster http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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NN_EnigmuS
07-14-2004, 02:08 AM
some earlier Emil will be cool for fighting the coming H75 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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CTO88
07-14-2004, 03:02 AM
the 109k4 has already 2000PS. it climbs in 3min to 5000m! it also reaches 727km/h. the only fault is 580kmh @ 0m. 2000PS k4 should run 590 - 600km/h. but i think that isnt a bad fault, cause ie
la-7 also doesnt reach 615km/h but 605km/h.

JG52_wunsch
07-18-2004, 04:22 PM
great idea,the only plane missing is the me410,
but i would buy it,cheers.
also the sicily map,isn t real,or so i ve heard
(could be wrong),and the ju88 is done and oleg has it(thx jippo,dietger,hammerd)

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)