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wakebrdkid
05-18-2004, 09:44 PM
Okay, here is my little story with some questions sprinkled throughout.

School ended for me today, so I have the whole summer to do what I want, including a lot of IL2-Aces. So I decide to do a campaign with my favorite plane, the P40. I have attempted a few dynamic campaigns earlier. I used the stock DCG to make an Sturmovik campaign when I first got the game at Christmas, but I was annoyed because they sent us on impossible long range missions into German territory where we were ambushed by tons of fighters and we had no escorts. So I found out about Mr. Lowengrin's DCG. I went ahead and installed it and told it to replace the stock DCG. During the last half of the school year I didn't really have time to do anything but some QMB's every now and then. So today I decided to start my P40 campaign. The first thing I find out is that I couldn't choose to create a USA campaign with the Lowengrin DCG. I don't know if this is normal or not, which leads me to question 1:

1. What are the advantages and disadvantages of both the stock DCG and Mr. Lowengrin's DCG? Is it better to use one for certain types of campaigns (i.e. fighters or bombers)?

But it wasn't a big deal that I couldn't choose USA, because I saw I could fly the P40 with the Russians. So I chose the Gulf of Finland area. For the difficulty settings I used almost full switch. I check everything except disable external views and complex engine management. I like external views when I'm taxiing and when I'm in the landing pattern I'll pause the game and cycle through to see who all has landed, etc... I would turn on complex engine management if I knew how to use it, which leads me to my second question?

2. By choosing complex engine management, what does that make me do? I have heard of stuff like mixture and propeller pitch, but I don't know what I should set them to in different situations. Does anyone have some basic guidelines I could follow for when to change mixture and thigns like that?

So I get out my TrackIR hat and check to make sure I have the right profile loaded into my X45. I got TrackIR over spring break and I absolutely love it. It is what gave me the confidence to try out almost full switch settings which I am hooked on them as well now. Icons just seem out of place now in such a good looking game, and I really like having to ID the planes on my own now. So I start the flight. Take off goes fine, I get in formation with my group, and eventually turn on autopilot because I realize it is going to be quite a long flight. It takes a full 15-20 min even at 8x speed to get to the place where we intercept the FW-189's. I had no idea where they were at first so I just followed my leader when he dove, eventually as I was turning around I saw some shooting so I flew over there, found a few of my guys and almost collided with one of the FW's. I fight some with him and eventually down him. Shortly after the mission completed message comes up when we downed the 4 FW's and I rejoin with the group and turn the autopilot and 8x speed back on. I was really happy with how the mission went. We returned to base unharmed and I had to wait a while to land, but eventually it was my turn and I made one of the best landings I've ever done. I taxi perfectly to the parking area and turn off the plane. All in all it had taken a little less than an hour and a half. I was excited to check out the mission summary. I looked at my flight path. I saw that our leader had shot down 2 of them, for his 2nd and 3rd kills, and me and another guy both got our first kills. I was really happy because I thought it had turned out very realistically. We had superior numbers to the FW's so I'm not surprised we didn't lose anyone. A group of I-16's that were out in the southern area had taken a few hits and I wanted to watch the replay to see what had happened. So I press save replay and type in a name, and then I get an error message! Apparantly it wasn't a good idea to try and save an hour and a half long track with a ton of planes in it. So IL2 closes and I lost the whole mission because I hadn't hit apply yet. Needless to say I almost jumped out my first story window. I was pretty angry, but I will try again tomorrow. I have a few more questions though.

3. A few times during the mission I used autopilot so that I could speed up time en route to the target area. I also wanted to turn on autopilot after about my 3rd lap around the landing pattern so I could speed that up as well. However when I turned on autopilot my plane immediately rolled over and flew straight towards the trees. I turned it off and recovered barely. That would have ruined the mission to have crashed in the landing pattern. Is it normal for autopilot to do that sometimes? How can you tell when its an unsafe time to use the autopilot?

4. This campaign has made me want to learn some more about the real air war around the Gulf of Finland. I had some trouble finding some info though, everything was about the siege of Leningrad. Anyone have some good links to some other info on the action around that area in around '41?

Thank you for taking the time to read my little story and consider my questions. Even though my computer crashed it doesn't change the fact that I had a ton of fun playing tonight.

Ciao,
Mickey

wakebrdkid
05-18-2004, 09:44 PM
Okay, here is my little story with some questions sprinkled throughout.

School ended for me today, so I have the whole summer to do what I want, including a lot of IL2-Aces. So I decide to do a campaign with my favorite plane, the P40. I have attempted a few dynamic campaigns earlier. I used the stock DCG to make an Sturmovik campaign when I first got the game at Christmas, but I was annoyed because they sent us on impossible long range missions into German territory where we were ambushed by tons of fighters and we had no escorts. So I found out about Mr. Lowengrin's DCG. I went ahead and installed it and told it to replace the stock DCG. During the last half of the school year I didn't really have time to do anything but some QMB's every now and then. So today I decided to start my P40 campaign. The first thing I find out is that I couldn't choose to create a USA campaign with the Lowengrin DCG. I don't know if this is normal or not, which leads me to question 1:

1. What are the advantages and disadvantages of both the stock DCG and Mr. Lowengrin's DCG? Is it better to use one for certain types of campaigns (i.e. fighters or bombers)?

But it wasn't a big deal that I couldn't choose USA, because I saw I could fly the P40 with the Russians. So I chose the Gulf of Finland area. For the difficulty settings I used almost full switch. I check everything except disable external views and complex engine management. I like external views when I'm taxiing and when I'm in the landing pattern I'll pause the game and cycle through to see who all has landed, etc... I would turn on complex engine management if I knew how to use it, which leads me to my second question?

2. By choosing complex engine management, what does that make me do? I have heard of stuff like mixture and propeller pitch, but I don't know what I should set them to in different situations. Does anyone have some basic guidelines I could follow for when to change mixture and thigns like that?

So I get out my TrackIR hat and check to make sure I have the right profile loaded into my X45. I got TrackIR over spring break and I absolutely love it. It is what gave me the confidence to try out almost full switch settings which I am hooked on them as well now. Icons just seem out of place now in such a good looking game, and I really like having to ID the planes on my own now. So I start the flight. Take off goes fine, I get in formation with my group, and eventually turn on autopilot because I realize it is going to be quite a long flight. It takes a full 15-20 min even at 8x speed to get to the place where we intercept the FW-189's. I had no idea where they were at first so I just followed my leader when he dove, eventually as I was turning around I saw some shooting so I flew over there, found a few of my guys and almost collided with one of the FW's. I fight some with him and eventually down him. Shortly after the mission completed message comes up when we downed the 4 FW's and I rejoin with the group and turn the autopilot and 8x speed back on. I was really happy with how the mission went. We returned to base unharmed and I had to wait a while to land, but eventually it was my turn and I made one of the best landings I've ever done. I taxi perfectly to the parking area and turn off the plane. All in all it had taken a little less than an hour and a half. I was excited to check out the mission summary. I looked at my flight path. I saw that our leader had shot down 2 of them, for his 2nd and 3rd kills, and me and another guy both got our first kills. I was really happy because I thought it had turned out very realistically. We had superior numbers to the FW's so I'm not surprised we didn't lose anyone. A group of I-16's that were out in the southern area had taken a few hits and I wanted to watch the replay to see what had happened. So I press save replay and type in a name, and then I get an error message! Apparantly it wasn't a good idea to try and save an hour and a half long track with a ton of planes in it. So IL2 closes and I lost the whole mission because I hadn't hit apply yet. Needless to say I almost jumped out my first story window. I was pretty angry, but I will try again tomorrow. I have a few more questions though.

3. A few times during the mission I used autopilot so that I could speed up time en route to the target area. I also wanted to turn on autopilot after about my 3rd lap around the landing pattern so I could speed that up as well. However when I turned on autopilot my plane immediately rolled over and flew straight towards the trees. I turned it off and recovered barely. That would have ruined the mission to have crashed in the landing pattern. Is it normal for autopilot to do that sometimes? How can you tell when its an unsafe time to use the autopilot?

4. This campaign has made me want to learn some more about the real air war around the Gulf of Finland. I had some trouble finding some info though, everything was about the siege of Leningrad. Anyone have some good links to some other info on the action around that area in around '41?

Thank you for taking the time to read my little story and consider my questions. Even though my computer crashed it doesn't change the fact that I had a ton of fun playing tonight.

Ciao,
Mickey

lil_labbit
05-18-2004, 09:49 PM
How long did this take to type you...

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/

go fly ONLINE

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keep it up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
also assign QUICK record under "controls" in-game - do a quick-record online.

replay that *.ntrk - THEN - if ya want make screenshots etc. it will not freeze the game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


p.s. Give links for software you use if you want to know about them mr xxx's so-and-so dont work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But anyway - CEM gives you more control - if you can handle it - over your plane. And never ever use AI to fly your plane - you are better - even if you crash http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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[This message was edited by lil_labbit on Tue May 18 2004 at 09:01 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
05-19-2004, 01:46 AM
Looooooong interview with Soviet P~40 pilot who flew for Baltic Fleet unit near Lenningrad

---> http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/

"part 2" deals with his P~40 flying.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Of course, the P-40s were better than the I-16 and the Hurricane. After the first flight, I said to myself, "Well, Kolya, finally they have given you a modern fighter." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

[This message was edited by LEXX_Luthor on Wed May 19 2004 at 12:55 AM.]

Breeze147
05-19-2004, 06:44 AM
Go find a girl and quit wasting your young life on idiotic S**t like this!!!!

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap16.jpg

Huxley_S
05-19-2004, 06:46 AM
Propeller pitch is similar to the way you use the gears in a car.

It is a bit confusing in FB because in some planes you change the prop pitch and in others you set the RPM and the prop pitch changes to give you that RPM.

The outcome is the same in each case however - you stop reving the engine so hard.

It's like when you're driving down the motorway at top speed in fourth gear, the engine is over-reving and you want to put it in fifth gear. Lowering the prop pitch is like this and will allow you to accellerate slowly to even faster speeds, stop your engine from overheating so quickly and you'll use less fuel.

The only keys you really need are two keys for prop pitch +/- and one that sets it to 100%.

You want prop pitch at 100% for takeoff/landing or climbing steeply, like you'd use a low gear in a car to climb a hill.

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