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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 02:50 PM
Any dedicated pilots or casual enthusiasts wanna shed some tactical light on the situation?

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 02:50 PM
Any dedicated pilots or casual enthusiasts wanna shed some tactical light on the situation?

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 03:00 PM
What situtation?
What'chu talkin' 'bout Willis!?

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T_O_A_D
10-20-2003, 03:02 PM
Used to fly it in the original IL2 but not anymore, lousy gun platform for me anyways. Except in Full real where you can actually sneak. Or get the Pilot kill from above.

Oh and painting it is a major PITA.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 03:08 PM
the mig3u is pretty amazing in FB and can kill any plane pretty easily, the roll and climbrate need some major toning down, theres a reason it was replaced http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 03:11 PM
AirBot wrote:
- What situtation?
- What'chu talkin' 'bout Willis!?
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Any/ all. I'll take whatever advice given.

I didn't get much time in her cockpit, so my experience is extremely limited. Assesment so far:

Nimble/ light stick. It feels like an I-153 with MUCH more power.

Roll is insane.

Speed is good. The engine is torquey, so slamming the prop from 100% pitch to 0% while turning max RPM's nets a nice lurch forward.

Wants to start shaking a bit early, but its still flyable during the tremors.

Tracers are EASY to spot.

Questions:
Range?
Turning compared to other planes (including RU stuff).
Effectiveness of flaps for creating lift.
E-bleed.
Stall and recovery.
Anything else of importance.

I may transition from the I-153. I prefer vulching as a means of point whoring, but will go for a head-on if i'm on a higher plane. Turning circles is fun, but i'm spoiled by the I-153's rudder authority, and don't want to go doing foolish things in a plane that can't cut under a turner.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 03:20 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
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Reasons the MiG-3U line was closed down:

* The engine it used required production space out of the facility that produced Il-2 engines. The factory was ordered to stop engine production to concentrate fully on Il-2 engines.

* The aircraft was a high altitude fighter. There was no nead for high altitude combat in the Eastern Front. Other fighters in production were still better than it on the deck.

* The aircraft was tricky to fly for inexperienced pilots. The VVS was running mostly on pilots with under 50 hours fligth experience. How many times did you crash the MiG-3U before you got it to fly right?

It was still considered on of the best high altitude fighters on 1942, and the one squadron equiped with them made a significant showing during the second half of the war, considering they only have a handful of aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 03:24 PM
i say Zippo

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 03:32 PM
i liked it in the first IL2 and i still like it in FB. IT turns well climbs well and has good speed not the best in any of these but good. its a very good all around preformer but its lack of dominace in any one catigory forces the pilot to be very familiar with the limitations of other aircraft and tha advantage the mig would have over them. in my opinion its a very good ac but take a good pilot to make it a killer.As far as the paint thing yes big pain in the but but i suck at skinning anyway so......

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 03:38 PM
You can sit on WEP (110%) for a Looooooong time. Longer then any other Soviet plane I think. I'd trade it for a Yak-9U in 1944 though.

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 04:28 PM
its a great BZ aircraft, it can be a real, pain in the ***, when you meet experienced pilots in it,
doesnt turn quite as good as the Bf109,
otherwise pretty equal,
oh it cant dive with the germans, but hey who can,he he,

my advise:
stay high(over the furball),and go fast in and fast out,



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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 04:50 PM
I can fly it quite well, and fare very high riding it.
It has a lot of flaws, but for an aircraft that never reached mass production stage, its one hell of a ride.

A few notes:

- Lift and glide factor is very high, if one gets high enough, and get a lock on a pack downstairs, just turn the engine to idle, and let the craft glide fast and silent til you reach point blank.
The enemy will have a very hard time avoiding you, once you are on his six, and he won't find you, until you actualy open fire against him.

- This is no wonderland craft, so fly it as it should be flown, otherwise you find it much of a craft at all.

- The controls are very sensitive and twitchy, so don't pull too hard on it. Fly it smoothly and fast.
Beeing a dedicated P-39 pilot since day 1, this is easily done for me.

- Try to never loose speed if you overshoot your enemy, its preferable to toss and tumble a little bit, doing high and low yo-yo's, than to cut on the trottle and loose speed that you might need to break off the atack in case a wingman is vigilant.

- Never let anyone get on your six is pretty much the most obvious thing to say, but this goes threefold when it comes to the 3U.
This aircraft has so little armour, that it might as well have none, since if you spit (pretty much litteraly!) too hard at it, it will catch on fire or blow up very easily.

- Don't break too hard down below, this aircraft glides very fast and stable, but is has a nasty stability very propense to stall and spin in harsh movements.



Pos and negs:

+ fast and stable glider
+ heavy lift
+ strong and accurate weapons
+ reliable engine
+ excelent forward view

- virtualy no armour
- sensitive controls
- prone to stall & spin in harsh movements
- very little six clearence



In short, do your homework on this aircraft, and you'l enjoy it very much.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 05:17 PM
IT'S AN AIRBORN LIGHTER!!!!!!! wear an aspestos suit you you fly it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 05:17 PM
I used to fly it a lot. Especially back in the original IL2 days. Forget all the historical crap about this plane, what matters is how she flys in-game.

And that is pretty well, overall. Good speed, good turning, good climb, almost no overheat. Like someone said it's fairly good in most catagories but excels in none. Which as far as game play goes makes it a good plane, ESPECIALLY servers that fly period-only aircraft.

The only thing u gotta remember is be VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY careful not to let anyone make a shooting pass at you. Always stay well ahead or above or too fast for others to get you. That takes a lot of dicipline to do but is an absolute nessessity when piloting a Mig. The WORST thing about any of the Migs is they are flying Zippo's! I think it's completely innaccurate (what do I know - I'm just a paying consumer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ) but any Mig will catch fire with the slightest burst of machineguns. Must be totaly unrealistic but hey, that's what happens so don't get hit with anything!

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ZG77_Nagual
10-20-2003, 05:21 PM
My fav in il2 - along with the A5. Haven't visited with it lately though

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 05:47 PM
Agree w/ resev.. Real twitchy. but i only see that as an advantage.. (another p-39 pilot here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

Rolls like a fat man down a hill.. And the engine is ridiculous.. With most planes you might run it on 110% for 'bout 3-4 mins and it'll overheat.. You have to take the throttle down to 80% and open the radiator all the way.
But not with the Mig.. It had me laugh out loud when - after an extra long time at 110% - overheat occured.. I left it for a minute then slipped the throttle down slowly.. 105,104,103,102,101, 100 ..Overheat suddenly disappeared!! With a closed radiator at 100%.. Just wish they'd put one them motors in my p39. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Oh yeah.. and if you even look at one of the wings hard enough. it will fall off /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 06:51 PM
Love it - best anti-FW190 weapon IMO. Good roll & plenty of speed. A well armed zoomboomer & very pretty too. Take it up high & go fast & you'll be close to untouchable.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 08:45 PM
Hey, in the rewal war, it was replaced. Lousy gun platform, highly flammible, it was used mostly for high alt. recon. In the origional Il2 it is better than it should be. I like the speed though...

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 09:18 PM
In real life it was the best 1941 VVS fighter but they didn't have the Quality of pilots to use it. Unlike He~100 or P~38 it was easy to build and maintain in the mud. Rare for a hi speed interceptor.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 01:02 AM
CrazyBell wrote:
- Hey, in the rewal war, it was replaced. Lousy gun
- platform, highly flammible, it was used mostly for
- high alt. recon. In the origional Il2 it is better
- than it should be. I like the speed though...

In the real war, there were six prototypes built, total, of the MiG-3U, all of which were sent to the front but the plane was not put into production.

The primary factory that produced MiGs was lost early in the german invasion, and diverting effort to produce more MiG-3 planes would have involved making less Il-2, Yak and La aircraft. The MiG-3 was disadvantaged by using the AM-35 high altitude engine, production of which would have harmed production of the AM-38 for the Il-2.

Production of the MiG was not stopped because it was a bad aircraft, it was stopped because the Soviets needed a lot of planes, flyable by inexperienced pilots, as quickly as possible.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 07:07 AM
Salute

Only 6 made, only flew as PVO for Moscow defence.

Questionable FM.

Should be banned on all historical servers.


RAF74 Buzzsaw

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 08:00 AM
mig3u deahtly if u dont waste amo, or if u have good aim, my favorite against the fw190 high alt fighters

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 09:40 AM
The WORST thing
- about any of the Migs is they are flying Zippo's! I
- think it's completely innaccurate (what do I know -
- I'm just a paying consumer

It had little armor and a lack of self-sealing tanks from what I have read. In math, that equals Roman Candle, just like in the game. (Which is what most of you will be saying about the A6M5 when you get it, very soon) Still, in the hands of a good pilot it is a force to be reckoned with.

It's also the ONLY VVS plane that I would fly. It feels like a cross between a 109 and a 190, and is a very good B&Z plane. Dont turn fight in it low with an early 109 or you will quickly find the 109 on your six. Scissor fighting is good in this plane because of the roll rate. It does seem to stall easily at low speeds, so be careful of that.

All in all, I like the plane whether I am flying it, or fighting it.

As far as skinning it... There seems to be no method to the madness on some of these skins. The 109 D-9 comes to mind. ;(

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 03:27 PM
RAF74BuzzsawXO wrote:
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- Only 6 made, only flew as PVO for Moscow defence.

And where would you want 6 pre-production aircrafts to fly?
Surely you wouldn't want evaluation aircrafts to be sent to frontline combat would you?

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- Questionable FM.

What's questionable about it!?
It has the typical MIG behaviour, doens't exceed (anymore than any other aircraft in the game) the speed it was supposed to achieve, the frame reflects the latest achievements in penetration and lift the Mikoyan-Gurevich engineers had achieved, and if you are talking about the engine resistance, well i guess you are just considering the engine itself, wich was weak, expecialy in low levels, but not the frame it was built in.
Do you happen to know the quoficient of the fresh air duct flow this frame had, with or without radiator management???
No problem, i don't either!

Here's a little something i found on a quick search about the AM-35 engine:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/mig-3.htm

Food for thought sez i.


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- Should be banned on all historical servers.

I guess 40 downed enemy aircrafts, from 6 little pre-production models of an aircraft that never realy had a chance to show off, are just not enough for you.


BTW about the engine resistance, i can trash it in as little as 5 minutes.
Its more a matter of how you fly it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 03:43 PM
Speaking of MiGs, there's an little monster in there in the form of the MiG-3/AM38. 1500 hp in 1941 down on the deck, goes faster than anything else at low altitude in the early war.

The next inline engined soviet plane with that sort of power is the Yak-9U, in 44, which only goes 40km/h or so faster at sea level.

Flew a campaign with the MiG/AM38, and you can just engage and disengage at will. Nothing can catch you until the G2 starts appearing. Since most fights in the campaign are at low alt anyway, it's better than your average mig.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 03:59 PM
Thats because of the AM-38 engine.

This engine was used primary for the IL-2, therefore, since this aircraft was used as a ground atack and support unit, it had to be eficient in low level operations, but if you go up and above, you'l be disapointed with its performance.

The same can't be said about the AM-35.
This one, as the opposite image of the 38, and used in the early models of the IL-2, had very little resistance for low level flight, as it performed better as a high level engine.
If you force this engine for too long in low level, you'l kill it fast.

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 08:27 PM
Thanks for all the feedback folks.

After I get moved (yes!!) and get my rig setup, i'll get on HL and see how I fare with a BnZ plane instead of my usual vulchtastic bi-plane.

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