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ASH at S-MART
08-29-2004, 01:31 AM
Check it out.. it's GROOVY

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ASH at S-MART
08-29-2004, 01:31 AM
Check it out.. it's GROOVY

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FA_Maddog
08-29-2004, 02:07 AM
Thanks Ash!! After watching the video, I can't see anyone wanting to fly IJN. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Love the sound of the Corsair.

WUAF_Badsight
08-29-2004, 02:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FA_Maddog:
After watching the video, I can't see anyone wanting to fly IJN.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol , the Corsair is going to be the 2nd plane that surprises people the most

it & the 1st plane are going to have the biggest threads , count on it
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ASH at S-MART
08-29-2004, 02:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
lol , the Corsair is going to be the 2nd plane that surprises people the most

it & the 1st plane are going to have the biggest threads , count on it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Ruy Horta
08-29-2004, 04:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASH at S-MART:
Check it out.. it's GROOVY<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great movie, incl. the U2 song.

Only thing that disappointed was the stationary carrier, which looked kinda...dead in the water.

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Texas LongHorn
08-29-2004, 04:07 AM
Hey Ash, thanks for the heads-up on the video. The carrier landings were just great. All the best, LongHorn

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MEGILE
08-29-2004, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> it & the 1st plane are going to have the biggest threads , count on it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I can't wait to see the first, "OMFG P-47N OVERMODDELLED UBER NOOB PLANE"

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FRAGAL
08-29-2004, 06:03 AM
~sigh~ u just can't win http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif gr8 post ash http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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08-29-2004, 06:53 AM
Thanks Ash - Great post and we appreciate the time.
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Slechtvalk
08-29-2004, 07:09 AM
Is the engine sound really from the game? If so it's realy great! Nice movie.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-29-2004, 07:25 AM
Eccellent Footage cheers for the Head up ASH

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LuftLuver
08-29-2004, 07:42 AM
Thanks GROOVY-man, cool movie.

Badsite person, you may want to come up for air once in awhile. You are one freekin negative individual.

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RAAF_Edin
08-29-2004, 07:48 AM
Great stuff... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Freycinet
08-29-2004, 08:38 AM
Here's another direct link to the video:
http://www.checksix-fr.com/bibliotheque/index.php?r_type=Video&r_categorie=Pacific%20Fighters

OMFFFFFFGGGG!!!

"Are you carrier-qualified"??? - Damn', I'm looking forward to it!

Such an amazing video....

Flydutch
08-29-2004, 09:05 AM
Yes Indeed, thrilling preview!
Did they use the Titel name of a thread i posted in this forum? If so your "more then welcome! I Obvisously like the slogan! (Are you Carrier Qualiffied?")

I also hope they will take notice of the ideas to put a little silly man standing on the Flight deck waving at them as they come in or take off!

Please riduce the ridiculous diameter of those arrestor cables!
This way they look as if they are a giant Slingshot intentioned to catapult the A/C Off the fantail, tail first!

I expect your hard at work to laidown the keels for the Essex class Carriers, since "Lady Lex" was Sunk, but I think it is OK for Propaganda reasons you salvaged her!

OK Besides those A thrilling preview I am looking forward to the end result,
Please do not hurry this addon, take your time!



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
Here's another direct link to the video:
http://www.checksix-fr.com/bibliotheque/index.php?r_type=Video&r_categorie=Pacific%20Fighters

OMFFFFFFGGGG!!!

"Are you carrier-qualified"??? - Damn', I'm looking forward to it!

Such an amazing video....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Red_Russian13
08-29-2004, 09:07 AM
Ummmm...nope, I'm not carrier qualified. I'm barely FIELD qualified!

Thanks for the post, man. Looks good...great even.

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FA_Maddog
08-29-2004, 11:03 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
lol , the Corsair is going to be the 2nd plane that surprises people the most

it & the 1st plane are going to have the biggest threads , count on it


It might even surprise you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Be sure.

Sakai9745
08-29-2004, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Russian13:
Ummmm...nope, I'm not carrier qualified. I'm barely FIELD qualified!

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That's why I'm going the TBF (or hopefully TBD) route; one doesn't need to be carrier-qualified to operate a torpedo plane when one isn't expected to come home. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Thanks to Ash for the post. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif Now to find a napkin to wipe up the rivers of drool at my feet.

Regards,

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Merlin (FZG_Immel)
08-29-2004, 11:49 AM
Flydutch..

you desserve the paternity of the Slogan, must admit it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sounds are not ingame, but dubbed because the soundcard used for video is bad, so rendering alone sucked.

Carrier standing still in water for static camaera purpose. otherwise fully mobile.

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BSS_Vidar
08-29-2004, 12:15 PM
Great video!
Who ever made that has been reading the Blacksheep's Carrier Ops Guide, even though they did the "brake" on the port side of the ship instead of the starboard. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I absolutely love the sound file for the Corsair! Wonder if they modeled in the "Cowel Howel" in over 250 kts.

Man, We Blacksheep can't wait!

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Hades_Dragon
08-29-2004, 12:48 PM
Yes, great video! And as said, it appears as if allot of the sound was put over it on top. Most of the sounds were greeat, and sounded like a Corsair should! I hope the sounds are just as good in game.

Yeager_C
08-29-2004, 01:41 PM
hi

what's the movie tittle with clint eastwood pls ?

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ASH at S-MART
08-29-2004, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yeager_C:
hi

what's the movie tittle with clint eastwood pls ?
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FRAGAL
08-29-2004, 02:18 PM
kelly's heroes fantastic film makes three kings turn red with shame and embarassment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

heywooood
08-29-2004, 03:36 PM
Kellys Heroes is an all time classic flick, war genre or otherwise.

I hope the 'whistling death' moniker will fit the Corsair in PF too, Vidar.

And Badsight is right when it comes to 'sair whiners, be sure. Whenever a particular bird is sooo sought (like Vought) after, there will be many differing oppinions about it - and since it is considered by so many to be soo awesome, anything less- even if less is REalistic - will be grounds for much grape juice fermented. BE 100% SURE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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IL2-chuter
08-29-2004, 04:23 PM
Remember, a couple of Jap aces (including Sakai) said they would rather tangle with Corsairs than Hellcats because Hellcats could turn with them, the Corsairs usually carried to much speed and could, if you were good, dodge'em. They conceded, however, that either way they were on the short end of the stick. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

For all the work that has gone into this (PF), I sure wish they could get the US insignia properly proportioned. As a modeler who's attended national model contests it kind of bugs me. Skins may have to correct them.

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heywooood
08-29-2004, 04:29 PM
I second that insignia comment, chuter.

Il2skins is da bomb.



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FA_Maddog
08-29-2004, 04:36 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by heywooood:

And Badsight is right when it comes to 'sair whiners, be sure. Whenever a particular bird is sooo sought (like Vought) after, there will be many differing oppinions about it - and since it is considered by so many to be soo awesome, anything less- even if less is REalistic - will be grounds for much grape juice fermented. BE 100% SURE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



I think that could be said for ALL planes both red and blue. BE 110% SURE. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

heywooood
08-29-2004, 04:42 PM
I dunno - Ive seen Luft posters and IJ buffs say that there is one US plane they are most likely to fly and it is F4Ubesure, Maddoggie. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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FA_Maddog
08-29-2004, 06:08 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by heywooood:
I dunno - Ive seen Luft posters and IJ buffs say that there is one US plane they are most likely to fly and it is F4Ubesure, Maddoggie. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

OK OK I'm sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's going to be a blast for both sides, I can't wait.

VFA-195 Snacky
08-29-2004, 07:53 PM
I know the Corsair seems to be the popular plane right now, but I'm really looking forward to the Hellcat. This was an amazing aircraft and was the workhorse of the Navy during WWII. Both Corsair and Hellcat were pretty close in performance, but there is just something about a Grumman bird.

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JG7_Rall
08-29-2004, 08:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
I know the Corsair seems to be the popular plane right now, but I'm really looking forward to the Hellcat. This was an amazing aircraft and was the workhorse of the Navy during WWII. Both Corsair and Hellcat were pretty close in performance, but there is just something about a Grumman bird.

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ivanmoe
08-29-2004, 08:26 PM
Boy, that looks terrific, all the way down to the F4U bouncing about the deck as it landed.

I'm glad he trapped, btw, because the pilot didn't appear to have control of the A/C after the bounce.

Simply awesone,

Moe

lkemling
08-29-2004, 08:58 PM
The on deck Engine start sequence sounded right out of cfs2,ans afraid yep the rest was dubbed in'sad too cuz those sounds would be just freakin' awesome!!!

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08-30-2004, 01:52 AM
SWEET!

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Fliegeroffizier
08-30-2004, 02:37 AM
For all the old-timers on this forum, it's amazing how much it reminds me of this bit of 1950's documentary series "Victory at Sea"!!!!!
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michapma
08-30-2004, 02:52 AM
This weekend I ordered some DVDs from Zeno's warbirds, including flight characteristics of the Hellcat, and will get handbooks of the Wildcat and Hellcat. I hope to start with the Wildcat, although I still don't know which way our squadron will go...

I still can't wait to see some information about motion of the carrier on the water. I can't wait to see whether the decks will toss around. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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08-30-2004, 10:45 AM
me was here
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Atomic_Marten
08-30-2004, 03:07 PM
Excellent video. Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. My apetites for PF consuming http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif are rising rapidly....

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Merlin (FZG_Immel)
08-30-2004, 03:45 PM
so check the site

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BSS_Vidar
08-31-2004, 01:52 PM
Going over and reviewing old WWII CV recoveries, that arresting gear run-out needs to be shorted about 100 ft. The run-out shown in the video is consistant with an angle deck. Straight deck recoveries had a very short and abrupt stop.

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IV_JG51_Razor
09-01-2004, 12:26 AM
Thank you, Vidar, for finally pointing that out!! I was beginning to think that I was just being too picky, and way too negative about that! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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RedDeth
09-01-2004, 12:39 AM
the soundtrack i heard was from the good the bad and the ugly. starring clint eastwood lee remick

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BSS_Vidar
09-01-2004, 12:57 AM
Well,
I wasn't trying to be "too" picky as far as accuracy of arresting gear run-out goes. I'm just concered more about being able to stack more planes at the bow. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

The longer that run-out is, the less we can stack on deck during a strike recovery. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

BSS_Vidar

Freycinet
09-01-2004, 03:08 AM
just gotta catch the first wire!

IV_JG51_Razor
09-01-2004, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:
Well,
I wasn't trying to be "too" picky as far as accuracy of arresting gear run-out goes. I'm just concered more about being able to stack more planes at the bow. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

The longer that run-out is, the less we can stack on deck during a strike recovery. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

BSS_Vidar<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly! And unfortunately, it doesn't look like they are going to mess with any kind of barrier. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I hope they work this out in the end. Does it concern anyone that, almost every shot of a plane taking off (starting from aft of the island) seems to be just barely making it? I mean, leaving a wake in the water as it climbs away?!! I'm hoping this is just a lack of relative wind in the game as of now, and that they are going to put some kind of wind accross the deck by release time. Those Corsairs were clean, and appeared to be having a hard time getting airborne. In that configuration, they should have flown off the deck well before reaching the bow.

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Merlin (FZG_Immel)
09-01-2004, 12:22 PM
no worry Razor. the carrier was not moving, so didnt use any relative wind (lack of 30-40 kmh) + didnt used chocks.-

btw, look second plane, he is doing it well. It just depend on the way you do it

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lkemling
09-01-2004, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
the soundtrack i heard was from the good the bad and the ugly. starring clint eastwood lee remick

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Lee Remick??? What version were you watching? lol

BSS_Army
09-03-2004, 08:07 AM
Kleenex please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif
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EmbarkChief
09-03-2004, 02:12 PM
I think he ment Lee Van Cleef...

Anyway, I would venture to say that the pilots in the vid were dropping below the deck for the sake of drama.

Baco-ECV56
09-03-2004, 04:30 PM
And please, please , could you tell us what happens once you come to a full stop or is that info part of a disclosure agreement with UBI? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But My gess is that the plaes disapears http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.
And how do you respawn? where?, how many can?

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Tater-SW-
09-03-2004, 06:59 PM
I have a RL pic of an SBD just after it landed, before it was moved forward. The cable was played out just past the 3d wire ahead of the one he hooked. Looks too far/slow a stop on the vids we've seen to me as well.

As for a barrier, it would be nice to see it. It would suck to fly a coop game, and wait for everyone to land and all get creamed by a bad trap.

tater

Reschke
09-05-2004, 10:05 PM
very nice movie. I can't wait for this one to come out so all of us Blue plane drivers can have a flight sim all to ourselves.

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Merlin (FZG_Immel)
09-06-2004, 05:30 AM
damn Reschke.

I created one week ago a new squad on HL, with myname VF-17_Immel

hum... This mean I will have to change it it seems..

let me know. I did choose it cause I never saw any VF-17 squad on hyperlobby. maybe we have different flight hours.

just let me know if you are coming to HL.

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CHDT
09-06-2004, 02:33 PM
Cockpits (are they still in development?) don't look at the same standard of the recently included aircrafts in AEP! I'm thinking of course of the P-51 variants and the I-185.

Merlin (FZG_Immel)
09-06-2004, 03:32 PM
WIP

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CHDT
09-07-2004, 11:28 AM
Good news http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope that these cockpits will be at least as good as the cockpit of the P-51 variants.

IV_JG51_Razor
09-08-2004, 08:49 AM
"no worry Razor. the carrier was not moving, so didnt use any relative wind (lack of 30-40 kmh) + didnt used chocks."

Merlin, have they figured out, or are they even trying to figure out, how to give us wind over the deck with a static carrier (as they all will be in a DF server)? I just assumed that they would do the same thing they did for the crosswind in stormy conditions, only turn it 90 degrees.

Could you explain you comment about the use of chocks? I mean, I understand what chocks are, and what they are used for in RL, I just don't understand what they have to do with PF.

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EDIT: Sorry Merlin, one more question. You mentioned something about a lack of relative wind due to the ship being static, and that the difference is about 30 - 40 Kph. Was that a guess, or is that really what is is in the beta? By my calculations (knots x 1.8532 = Kph), 30 - 40 Kph equals 16 - 21.5 knots. That's not very fast for a fleet carrier!

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[This message was edited by IV_JG51_Razor on Wed September 08 2004 at 08:00 AM.]

Reschke
09-08-2004, 01:15 PM
Is it possible that he means a 30 to 40 knot wind coming down the deck. That is something that we have always been fussing about in Ace's High because of the inability to consistently launch the entire Corsair series off the deck without virtually dragging your bombs through the water to get airborne if you are in a fully loaded F4U-1D. That is if you don't pull the helper mode of allowing the plane to roll backwards on the deck and start from the wire area on the tail.

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IV_JG51_Razor
09-08-2004, 03:24 PM
Well, I suppose it's possible, however he did use Kph in his statement.

It seems to me that the lack of a real wind model in the game, as in both AH and WBs, makes it extremely difficult to properly simulate carrier operations, since they depend so much on not only the speed of the carrier, but also an additional bit of help from Mother Nature in the form of wind. I'm sure that putting wind into the game isn't something quite as simple as adjusting the FM of this a/c or that, so I'm real curious, if not anxious, to see what Oleg and Co does.

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Fliger747
09-08-2004, 03:59 PM
A work-in-progress! I liked the formation flying and the virtual cockpit view of the approach was fascinating. It is apparent from the approach speeds that (1) there was no wind over the deck) and (2) these guys weren't themseves carrier qualified, comfortable (as it gets) with handeling the aircrft in it's low speed regieme. In effect they were flying at high speed onto the deck in hopes of catching (any) wire. In the real carrier barrier wires were rigged by the island, which would have wound them up on every pass there. Some wind over the deck would have helped a LOT!

Looks to be a lot of potential fun! Hope they start operating with the 'hood' slid back! The 'tire dust/steam/whatever' seems unnecessary on deck. Dunn'o what the wallowing in roll on takeoff was about, unless it's a leftover 'baddie' from the FB flight model.

IV_JG51_Razor
09-08-2004, 04:52 PM
I have read in another forum, a post that quoted Oleg in answering some pointed questions about the wind over the deck of the static carriers in a DF server. In essence, there won't be any. He also aluded that the arresting gear runout is directly proportional to your landing speed. So, the slower you are upon touchdown, the less the runout will be. I take this to mean that, in coops/single player missions, where the carrier will have some speed, you will be landing with a relative speed of the CV's minus your own.

A fleet carrier was capable of about 30 Kts, give or take a few, but using that nice round number, we can convert it to Kph by multiplying it by 1.8532. In this case, that would be about 55-56 Kph. Now, go into FB, and grab a couple of planes with various loadouts, and see just what the minimum controlable airspeed is that you can fly it at and that will approximate your landing speed aboard the carrier. The Zero and the Spit V are quite docile in the pattern at around 140-50 Kph, which would bring you accross the ramp with a relative speed of about 85-95 Kph. A heavier plane on the other hand, like the Jug, needs about 170-180 to stay in control. That is a considerably higher relative speed over the ramp, and is going to result in a longer arresting gear runout. For those of us who are a bit more anal about our immersion in this game (BSS_Vidar), that will require a little more planning on our part when recovering a strike package. The lighter fighters will have to recover last in order for them to not be running into the rest of the pack! hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Fliger747
09-08-2004, 05:03 PM
Landing the 'jug' on the carrier won't be much of a problem. As far a I know, though they were ferried and launched from decks, they only way they ever came aboard was by dockside crane.

Being light helps, the F4U is pretty demanding to trap when full of fuel or still with any ordinance. The major isue I saw with landing it was the loss of view of the deck when approachng the ramp. A circular approach will get you to that point, but either hanging you head out to the side (don't think we will be able to do this) or a little slip to final may be necessary.

Using Gramps new sim-outhouse birdcage F4U-1 for CFS2 gives just about the same view on roundout, ya just have to do what is necessary to barely keep the LSO platform area in view to judge it right.

Lookng forward to the challenge!

Merlin (FZG_Immel)
09-08-2004, 05:20 PM
my bad. a AC can move up to 50kmh..

I can't answer the remaining questions.

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IV_JG51_Razor
09-08-2004, 06:01 PM
Thanks Merlin. I think we've got it figured out now, after reading your posts in the other thread. At least, I think I have it figured out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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Merlin (FZG_Immel)
09-08-2004, 06:19 PM
yah.. 50kmh+ can be set for AC. I did only use default speed.

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Reschke
09-08-2004, 07:54 PM
Best way to land a Corsair in my opinion is to fly the racetrack and on the upwind leg come into the pattern around 1500 feet and break out into the approach crossing the front of the carrier. Then when you are perpendicular to the flight deck start turning into the downwind leg and gradually chop back to get a good easy descent rate and bring out half flaps. Then when you cross the tail of the ship start the turn into final but try to get into the 300 foot range by this time so that you can keep the tower in view on your left. That is usually how I approach landings in AH and you can nail the 4 wire nearly every time in there. I never drop my airspeed under 130 IAS though and always come aboard with full flaps. That way you end up with a nice easy landing.

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Fliger747
09-09-2004, 05:53 AM
Guess we will see what we end up with here for a flight model. The Corsair should fly the pattern really nicely at 100 kts or so and cross the ramp at about 85 kts if it replicates the real plane much. No real Corsair would in most likelyhood survive an attempted arrested landing at 135 kts.

Everyone will have fun and games with this for a while! There is how we used to do it, how it was really done, and how we will have to do it.

IV_JG51_Razor
09-09-2004, 08:31 AM
Fliger, my numbers were in Kph. I used the Jug as an example of a heavy fighter just to illustrate the difference between the lighter fighters that are now in FB, and what we might expect to see in PF. My numbers for the Jug work out to be 92 to 97 Kts. That would give us a relative speed at touchdown of about 60+ Kts. if we're in a coop/single player game. Not too bad. It's the DF servers we'll have to worry about, where the carriers will be "anchored", and there will be no realative wind.

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BSS_Vidar
09-09-2004, 03:14 PM
Very VERY Close to the right idea Reschke,

Here's some actual numbers for you to try:

*Enter carrier brake at 800 ft to the (right/Starboard side of the boat), brake to the downwind at the bow depending if traffic is all ready established ahead of you in the pattern.
-If following traffic, brake when they are established in the downwind and are 45 deg behind your left wingtip for interval separation.

*Downwind altitude, 600 ft, radio call "Abeam" when abeam the fantail and start your turn to "Final Bearing" (ships course).

*90 degrees off Final Bearing (At the 90) you should be established at 450 ft.

*** These numbers are for a stationary carrier. Turning to final bearing on a moving carrier may be as soon as abeam the bow - depending on ships speed.

*In the event of a wave-off, climb straight ahead to the 600 ft pattern staying under braking aircraft. Establish separation/interval on the aircraft that MAY be ahead of you. If no traffic, immediate turn to downwind. Pattern aircraft has priority over aircraft entering the brake due to being lower.

-*- If you happen to enter the brake with a full pattern, or a wave off has occured, climb to 1200 ft to the Spin Pattern and "Hawk" the deck for an open opportunity to enter the 800 ft brake pattern again for another try.

Try those numbers out. That way if we ever fly from the same carrier, we won't bump into each other. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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BSS_Vidar
09-10-2004, 11:40 AM
Anal! (!)
Whoose being Anal? Meeee? Thnx Razor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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IV_JG51_Razor
09-10-2004, 12:25 PM
I would include myself in that group Vidar http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Reschke
09-10-2004, 12:53 PM
Thanks Vidar I will use those if we get on the same carrier occasionally. I just wish they had a way to put wind into a server at different levels constantly.

However the ones I posted above are what we use in AH since the carrier has a tendency to move on you because some dweeb has decided to play chicken with the bombers that another dweeb are flying to kill the carrier. Plus we have a little wind...not much but just a little to deal with there also since the carrier is moving.

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