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Breeze147
03-16-2004, 01:12 PM
I'm having a hell of a hard time getting airborne. I'm talking single engines. I've read about the multi-engine controls. I've crashed into more runwayside towers, trucks and parked aircraft than I can count. Even on the ultra easy Il-2's, I'm usually one gear on the edge of the runway when I finally get up. I'm using one of the old twisty stick MS Precision Pros. Sometimes I can go completetly to the left with the rudder and the plane will make a right turn when I apply power. I'm having a hard time with the brakes, too. They often will not hold when I apply power. I usually have one wing up, too. Is it easier with rudder pedals? I have the intent of getting the full CH Products setup, but until then, does anyone have any tips or tricks to help the plane takeoff at least somewhat straight?

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Breeze147
03-16-2004, 01:12 PM
I'm having a hell of a hard time getting airborne. I'm talking single engines. I've read about the multi-engine controls. I've crashed into more runwayside towers, trucks and parked aircraft than I can count. Even on the ultra easy Il-2's, I'm usually one gear on the edge of the runway when I finally get up. I'm using one of the old twisty stick MS Precision Pros. Sometimes I can go completetly to the left with the rudder and the plane will make a right turn when I apply power. I'm having a hard time with the brakes, too. They often will not hold when I apply power. I usually have one wing up, too. Is it easier with rudder pedals? I have the intent of getting the full CH Products setup, but until then, does anyone have any tips or tricks to help the plane takeoff at least somewhat straight?

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"Bomb da snot outta dem Nazis" - Ralphie Churchill, Brooklyn, N.Y. USA 1941

Helonwhls87
03-16-2004, 01:24 PM
I use the same joystick . But I dont have any problems like what you're talking about.

You might try playing with the yaw settings in game. I think I have all my yaw sliders up so when I twist I'm getting full rudder instantly.

Udidtoo
03-16-2004, 01:33 PM
I think you will find that using rudder pedals, after some practice will feel much more natural to you.

I used a MSFFBII without pedals for almost a year of IL-2 and FB. My takeoffs became much smoother after learning to unlearn holding a nice smooth stick without the wrist being bent far left or right.

As for tips, just like all aspects of this sim. Practice, practice and then practice some more. Hang in there. Its worth the patients

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DONB3397
03-16-2004, 01:39 PM
It varies from plane to plane. I have the same stick and found two tricks early on that work with all a/c.

1. Ease off the line before you slam the throttle forward. Get the plane moving down the runway. (Be sure to lock the tail wheel first.)

2. "Tap" the rudder continually to adjust for swing until you get the tailwheel off the ground.

Of course, if it's a tail dragger, you want to keep an eye on the outer edge of the runway to be sure you're lined up. This assumes you've done pre-takeoff prep -- flaps, locked tailwheel, etc.

After a while you begin to anticipate it, I think, like second nature. I'm just grateful that the FM includes this realistic feature. When learning to fly light planes many years ago, I nearly parked my uncle's old Cessna 140 in a Minnesota cornfield because I didn't understand how light the tail was, and how much torque the little Lycoming engine had.

heywooood
03-16-2004, 02:09 PM
I have the same stick -
ease the throttle forward - and push the stick
forward also..you want more rudder authority so you need to get up on the mains quickly..
as the tail comes up - relax the stick so that you dont go over onto your prop.. as you reach full throttle you will use your rudder inputs to keep you straight and wings level-ease back and you are airborn... hopefully

SeaFireLIV
03-16-2004, 02:34 PM
I don`t use rudder pedals, just the twist on the stick. I believe you simply need to apply opposite rudder as you are taking off. Once you gain speed the aircraft will fly straight without much rudder help.

I don`t think rudder pedals are the trick here.
(P.s. I do find it hard to take off in the I16 when it`s wet. I get might twists on the runway right from the start).

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Breeze147
03-16-2004, 02:38 PM
Thanks for the input, gentlemen.

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TX-EcoDragon
03-16-2004, 03:28 PM
As far as brakes not holding, it is becasue you have some rudder input in as well. With a twist stick it is hard to not move it at all if your hand is on it. If the rudder is neutral then the brakes should hold. That said, the better thing to focus on is a more gradual application of power. This is particularly true in the i-153 and i-16 types. The sim also likes to roll you off of one wheel. . . and you must use aileron to hold it level (a bit unrealistic in the way this works, but similar to having a crosswind lift a wing).

Rudder pedals help but arent needed, just be smooth with the throttle and things should smooth out for you. You may want to fly the I-153 or the J8 around the pattern a few times, once you got that done the rest will be pretty easy. The nice thing about teh sim is that you can bend all the props and ding all teh wings you want and it's just fine! Have fun!

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