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x__CRASH__x
02-08-2004, 11:39 AM
The whining posts!

I can't wait to read post after post *****ing about this plane and that. (Due to a upcoming deployement to Japan, I won't be able to get the add-on until later April, but my jealousy has no bearing on this.)

Here are a few of my predictions.

Me-163 will quickly be banned from most every server out there. (It's expected to be faster than all get out!)

Spitfire will be martyred like no other plane we have ever seen! It won't be the uber plane everyone has told themselves it should be, or was in some other, less accurate, sim, and the moaning will flood this forum like a psunami.

Some planes probably won't make it into the add on, and people will pour gasoline over themselves and hold a match up, begging for Oleg to save them.

The FM of their favorite plane. It was either supposed to have been tweaked, or not have been touched (according to the poster) yet Oleg managed to ruin this sim for them. And they will throw themselves onto a sword.


So, what do you predict?

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x__CRASH__x
02-08-2004, 11:39 AM
The whining posts!

I can't wait to read post after post *****ing about this plane and that. (Due to a upcoming deployement to Japan, I won't be able to get the add-on until later April, but my jealousy has no bearing on this.)

Here are a few of my predictions.

Me-163 will quickly be banned from most every server out there. (It's expected to be faster than all get out!)

Spitfire will be martyred like no other plane we have ever seen! It won't be the uber plane everyone has told themselves it should be, or was in some other, less accurate, sim, and the moaning will flood this forum like a psunami.

Some planes probably won't make it into the add on, and people will pour gasoline over themselves and hold a match up, begging for Oleg to save them.

The FM of their favorite plane. It was either supposed to have been tweaked, or not have been touched (according to the poster) yet Oleg managed to ruin this sim for them. And they will throw themselves onto a sword.


So, what do you predict?

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Steaky_361st
02-08-2004, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:

So, what do you predict?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im thinkin the same thing you are...

Call_me_Kanno
02-08-2004, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, what do you predict?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That all sorts of secrect stuff was added that they didn't tell anybody and this, that and the other has been fubared because of it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

pacettid
02-08-2004, 11:56 AM
I heard the same "dire predictions" right before the release of the P-51 Mustang in IL2 FB.

I paid no attention to it then, as I choose to do now.

My advice..."believe half of what ya' see, and none of what ya' hear"

all the best, Don

LEXX_Luthor
02-08-2004, 11:58 AM
The Bar in Spitfire canopy that ruins the Cockpit View and prevents Spit simmers from getting historical results in the dogfight servers.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Oleg and Gibbage are biased against the English"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gibbage gives up in frustration, and starts modding Biplanes over the FB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Oleg gives up in disgust, and develops Bolivia vs Paraguay the Forgotten Battle with Flyable Curtiss Hawk II.


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warweapon2
02-08-2004, 12:02 PM
My thoughts exactly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Slammin_
02-08-2004, 12:06 PM
"Some planes probably won't make it into the add on, and people will pour gasoline over themselves and hold a match up, begging for Oleg to save them."


Haha! I almost spit soda on my monitor! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Good one Crash!

x__CRASH__x
02-08-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Oleg gives up in disgust, and develops _Bolivia vs Paraguay the Forgotten Battle_ with Flyable Curtiss Hawk II.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It's in the works

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crazyivan1970
02-08-2004, 12:42 PM
just buy lots of popcorn CRASH...

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Cajun76
02-08-2004, 01:11 PM
Hey Crash, PT me about your upcoming deployment. Will you be in the Tokyo area, like Yokota AB? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There was a thread when we first heard about an expansion, but it had no name yet. I believe I suggested we name it "Whine Fuel."


And two things, if your going to be in the Land of the Rising Sun:

First, it's "tsunami", caused by "Godzilla" (foreign terms, don't ask)

Second, if one wants to fall on a sword over something, this is the place.


I like it here. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Friendly_flyer
02-08-2004, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
Spitfire will be martyred like no other plane we have ever seen! It won't be the uber plane everyone has told themselves it should be, or was in some other, less accurate, sim, and the moaning will flood this forum like a psunami.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not quite sure, really. The P-51 got through OK. There were the few predictable complaints that it did not automatically eat Zeros for lunch, but apart from that it seems the general consensus goes that the P-51 is one of the best modelled planes in the game. With the expectation on the Spitfire, I can't imagine Oleg & Co would _dear_ to do a sloppy job. I am looking forward to it very much.

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VW-IceFire
02-08-2004, 01:35 PM
Yeah I'm not sure how things will go but I'm sure there will be complaints...mostly from people who have a very specific perspective or who went on a dogfight server and got their arse handed to them by one of the new planes.

I'm expecting the Spitfire to be interesting. Should be similar to the 109 in some ways...heavier stick in dives (not quite as bad apparently), rolls moderately good but nothing special, turns well, has good firepower (but only for people like me who like wing mounted guns), and in the case of the Mark V that were getting it won't be terribly fast although it should be similar to the Bf 109F's.

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Chuck_Older
02-08-2004, 01:48 PM
I'm looking forward to more complaints about the US http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"The US players ruined FB with their demands for [fill in the blank]"
"My favorite plane is the [fill in the blank], and the [any American plane] has a flight model that makes it suck now"
"The add-on would have been so much better if it wasn't made for American players because they ruin everything"
"America made my dog run away"
"Players from the US will probably whine about [fill in the blank], so I'm gonna moan about the fact that I think they'll complain"
"The K-14 gunsight does everything except tie your shoes and it's because the American players made Oleg model it that way"
"Oleg how much did America pay you to screw up FB?"
"I read in MAD magazine that US planes stunk, so if any are any good, it must be US bias"
"I think USA is the cause of all world problems, so their planes should stink in FB and no American player should offer an opinion on anything because they smell real bad and are ugly and they don't wash their underwear"
"I flunked my math test so the USA sucks"
"I need attention so I'll complain about the US"
"Oleg! Remove US bias from FB or I'll throw a tantrum!"
"I can't be bothered to learn anything on my own, but I really really guess that somehow, the USA managed to get uberplanes out of Oleg. Also, The USA stole my lunch money and beat up my best friend. Here is a list of things that I heard once at a movie theater, or that I suppose are true, and these should be in FB right away. I took an hour off to look some of this stuff on-line, so here's my proof they are true. I do better research than you Oleg because I got one single reference source."

These topics and others will make me spit Coca-Cola all over my keyboard. I can't wait for the hilarity to begin! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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the preceeding was a joke, and anyone who got worked up should take a tray of ice cubes out of the fridge, stick it in their shorts, and chill out.

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DONB3397
02-08-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
Spitfire will be martyred like no other plane we have ever seen! It won't be the uber plane everyone has told themselves it should be, or was in some other, less accurate, sim, and the moaning will flood this forum like a psunami.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're probably right. The lines of the Spit are so beautiful and appealing that its reality seems to be missing in the myth.

The Mk V had limited range and was, like all in-line engined a/c, vulnerable to random hits in the cowling. The early Fw190A's tended to dominate this beautiful and maneuverable bird over France and Bader and Tuck were both shot down in Spits (Tuck in a MkIX).

I predict ten "Spit vs. 109" and "Spit vs. 190" threads within a week, all of which will contain reams of charts, photos and manual excerpts...and get rough on both the developers and the antagonists.

By the way, I'm a Spitfire enthusiast of several decades standing. My library is loaded and cocked.

On the other hand, in FB I plan to learn the FM and take what it gives me...then deal with the rest. Hope I'll be too busy flying to find time for whining. Well, at least not very much.

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LeadSpitter_
02-08-2004, 02:35 PM
the extended cannons muzzle flash on the spitfire blinds the entire forward view http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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They will be banned in any game I host, I definatly want to try them offline and play campaigns with them but for online play there should be only one jet. The me262 only if we could limit how many can use them by limiting runway spawns.

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BS87
02-08-2004, 02:38 PM
As said, Spit will be whined about unless it is like an La7 x 10.

THe Me163 i think was that insanely fast, read and interveiw with one of the Women test pilots who said it climbed to some incredible hight within 3 minutes, and the rest of the flight was just gliding.

Ta152 will either suck, or it will actually be relativly how it should be, and people will NOT like the fact of a Dora with 30mm. If the Ta152 is banned, i fear for us all because i think Zen will take up arms and burn down the board.

I will enjoy flying the Bf110 immensly, until other playerss show up and shoot me down. I will then say how undermodled the 110 is (even though it will be correct) and how overmodeled the plane that shot me down is. I will then whine until my head explodes.

LEXX_Luthor
02-08-2004, 02:48 PM
Most of my time will be Gladiator time or Fiat time. Time well spent. And some Re~freshed 153 time. I wonder how the New will compare to the Old. Spend some IAR time too.

I wonder if they will BAN I~16 in the Biplane Servers. The Soviet Doctrine was to have monoplanes and Bipanes fight together.



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x__CRASH__x
02-08-2004, 03:14 PM
I dont see why you would ban an I-16 out of a biplane server. Bi-planes... properly flown... will own the I-16

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LEXX_Luthor
02-08-2004, 03:21 PM
We are forgetting properly flown I~16. Speed.



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x__CRASH__x
02-08-2004, 04:58 PM
I still think the Gladiator will own them all!

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Vladimir_No2
02-08-2004, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
I still think the Gladiator will own them all!

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Zen--
02-08-2004, 08:38 PM
@ Crash

LMAO

I got a serious laugh out of this one, the humor was excellent thanks! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Bearcat99
02-08-2004, 08:39 PM
Yeah....... like a lot of people said the US pilots would be crying and moaning about the P-51.......... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ElAurens
02-08-2004, 09:05 PM
Pretty good assesment Crash. Was discussing the Spit in the Sty just the other day. It will be the cause of more wailing and gnashing of teeth than any other plane, Be sure!!

A close second will be the Kingcobra. Why? Because it will not be much different than the stripped down P39Q10 we already have.

I am looking forward to the Gladiator and Falco most of all. Elegant weapons, from a more civilized time...

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johann63
02-08-2004, 09:17 PM
We talked about this in the sty El?

Just jokin with ya

I think an all jet DF could be very interesting.

I think the spit could be very interesting.

I think the kingcobra still may be interesting.

It will all make the game more interesting.

Be sure!!

BlitzPig_johann

WUAF_Badsight
02-08-2004, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pacettid:
I heard the same "dire predictions" right before the release of the P-51 Mustang in IL2 FB. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


imo the Mustang was really really realistic (sic) when offically released

the closest FM of any plane in all of IL2's history to being correct on first release (offical release that is )

BlindHuck
02-09-2004, 12:23 AM
The Mustang FM had 2g stick reversal with full fuel? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Must have missed it.

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x__CRASH__x
02-09-2004, 12:26 AM
I should have added Ta-152 whining. I'm sure it will exsist a-plenty.

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robban75
02-09-2004, 12:47 AM
Ta 152 whining will be from both sides I think. It should better than the D-9 at everything, except rollrate and low alt topspeed. Which should be around 598km/h. I'm curious though if the topspeed of 765km/h will be attainable since 10,000m is max alt for this sim. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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ElAurens
02-09-2004, 05:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by johann63:
I think an all jet DF could be very interesting.
BlitzPig_johann<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Already working on it!!!

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SpinSpinSugar
02-09-2004, 06:02 AM
I think the majority of the Spitwhining will be from the ignoramuses who do not understand just how many Marks of Spitfire there actually were, and that the Mk.Vb is actually an "early war" aircraft. As such, it should be fine, and should fall somewhere between Emils and 190As in performance terms - hopefully there will be lots of 1941/42 servers to play with.

But yes, back to the thread, there will be an awful lot of general "this upgrade ruined my life" posts.

Although I also agree that the precedent of the Mustang is a reasonably good one. That particular crowd-pleasing aircraft was introduced with, by and large, good grace from all. So there's hope for us yet.

Cheers, SSS

BaldieJr
02-09-2004, 11:02 AM
I predict the crash will forget how many underscores are in his login and have to create a new one, with even more underscores.

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Baltar
02-09-2004, 12:25 PM
....or you guys could just lighten up and concede that 'whiners' only want to make the game better, or are calling UBI and the FB developers on broken promises, or outraged over patches that make the game unplayable past a certain date without telling anyone, etc...

*commences evasive maneuvers*

Chuck_Older
02-09-2004, 12:31 PM
or maybe we could poke fun at ourselves in a thread where we post replies based on taking a humorous spin on our own actions


...oh wait, that's this thread

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BaldieJr
02-09-2004, 12:40 PM
or we could all take a moment to reflect on our own whine-threads in the past, and how we eventually learned that, for all its little problems, FB is still the best damned arial combat sim ever made.

or not. Whos up for some CFS3?

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resev
02-09-2004, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:Whos up for some CFS3?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Skalgrim
02-09-2004, 01:00 PM
seem spit5 has not good rollrate

109e has 50% better rollrate

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M0NS
02-09-2004, 01:36 PM
I'm sure everything will work out just fine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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