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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:10 PM
Ok you happy users, time to share. I know that approach to settings is invividual...but it would be nice to know where to start and what to expect. Any hints, tips...etc?

Thanks.

V!

P.S. Does it make me a cheater from now on? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan

"No matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down." Ivan Kozhedub

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:10 PM
Ok you happy users, time to share. I know that approach to settings is invividual...but it would be nice to know where to start and what to expect. Any hints, tips...etc?

Thanks.

V!

P.S. Does it make me a cheater from now on? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan

"No matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down." Ivan Kozhedub

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:15 PM
Download the latest drivers from naturalpoint.com

Read the instructions for the order of plugging things in, installing drivers etc.

For settings:
-make sure you're using "Enhanced Mode" for FB!
-make sure you're changing "Enhanced Mode" settings in the software
-create a deadzone in the middle of the X and Y Axis
-speed the vertical up faster than the horizontal (will help you avoid a sore neck or turning too much)
-have the horizontal speed up as you turn your head more
-use a hat switch to center (or something on the stick)
-avoid padlock usage

Give it some time to get used to (3-4 days), then retweak it to be faster.

Look in the tech forum for a recent setup thread, but don't use the download I put there because it's only for the version of software I'm using which is an older beta one.

Lastly, make sure to post back here and join the coalition to prove RBJ wrong on his trackIR dillusions /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:17 PM
Ivan...I dont have it but I can tell you that your probably gonna hate it at first.Ever have a baby track your moving finger?They are learning something new and it looks like they have a hard time at it.All the talk about peoples neck hurting and not being able to move or even blink/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif is gonna sux.

Everytime I try a new joystick I HATE em!!!Good luck and post back on your review of it/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:25 PM
RBJ telling you you wasted your money.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:26 PM
I HATE YOU ALL! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I would love Track IR but the CFO / wife would never go for that expenditure considering our twins have their first birthday on Saturday.

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Good for you guys! Enjoy!!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:36 PM
Charge it and tell the wife that it's for the kids because their daddy will be in a better mood once his accuracy improves 500%! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:41 PM
Good plan JRH!

Unfortunately the wife already spoils me by putting the kids to bed at 6 or 6:30pm so that I can play FB in the evening for a couple of hours.

Tell you what, you guys keep testing Track IR until you get it working perfectly in a year or two.
Then I will catch up and you can give me tips.

Enjoy! I am very jealous of you all!!!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:44 PM
Tall_Canuck wrote:
- Good plan JRH!
-
- Unfortunately the wife already spoils me by putting
- the kids to bed at 6 or 6:30pm so that I can play FB
- in the evening for a couple of hours.

What kind of monster are you?? poor kids don`t see a daylight...good move daddy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

K I D D I N G!!!!

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:48 PM
I've had one for over a year one and love it.

All of the above tips from Dex are great.

I would add that you should add an F9 key onto your stick/HOTAS that will disable your Natural point and another button to center yuor view. (Or of course an F9, F5 macro if your HOTAS will allow you to do this)

Beiing able to turn it off when your leaning is nice. Heck, I still turn mine off when my sife walks in so that I can turn my head to face her whith out thowing my view off in the game. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Take your time getting to learn it, Make sure you enable a deadzone and enable the filtering in the Naturalpoint software, I like mine at around 60.

Another thing to note is that you will want to enable the TrackIR support in FB. The conf.ini file has flag that you will want to change from 0 to 1. Check the FB readme.txt for details.

Enjoy!

Brain_Washed


crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Ok you happy users, time to share. I know that
- approach to settings is invividual...but it would be
- nice to know where to start and what to expect. Any
- hints, tips...etc?
-
- Thanks.
-
- V!
-
- P.S. Does it make me a cheater from now on? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- Regards,
- VFC*Crazyivan
-
- "No matter how good the violin may be, much depends
- on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy
- pilot whose plane I failed to down." Ivan Kozhedub
-

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:54 PM
I would respectfully disagree with Brain Washed's advice above unless you are only playing the original IL2:Sturmovik.

With FB you would only be wasting two valuable buttons since enhanced mode doesn't need centering and setting up a custom deadzone means you never need to disable it in flight!

Save your two buttons for prop pitch or something. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:54 PM
Ivan;
Yes, I am an evil man, making my kids sleep 12 hours per night. Mwahahahahahah!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Seriously, having twins we thought we were gonna go nuts for the first three months since they would only sleep for an hour or two at a time. Then we would both have to get up to feed them.

At three months old, my wife started teaching them to sleep longer and longer and finally after a week or so, they slept through the night.

Now they sleep from 6pm to approximately 6am.
The result is that they are very happy, easy going kids.
Plus, mommy and I get some ALONE time then. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I think most parents screw up by letting their kids stay up too late and the kids do not get enough sleep for their little brains and bodies.

My two cents.
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:58 PM
Bain -

How is this better than the Center key you have mapped for the TrackIR software? I just have the Spacebar mapped as it - so if I have to look away to acknowledge a real human being - when I look back I just look straight into the monitor, hit the spacebar, and I'm good to go.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:13 PM
Thank guys, valuable info. Dex i`ll take it all under consideration!!


- I would add that you should add an F9 key onto your
- stick/HOTAS that will disable your Natural point and
- another button to center yuor view. (Or of course
- an F9, F5 macro if your HOTAS will allow you to do
- this)
-
- Beiing able to turn it off when your leaning is
- nice. Heck, I still turn mine off when my sife
- walks in so that I can turn my head to face her
- whith out thowing my view off in the game.

Actually this is something i was worried about. I was conserned about ability to turn it off and on, thanks for clearing that up. Ones i`m lined up for kill, i deffinitely want it off...and view centered.

V!

Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:17 PM
TC, I couldn`t agree with you more mate. Sleep is just as important as food. You are doing a damn fine job big daddy!
My girl started to sleep thru the night at 4 months and it usre was heaven. Not 6:30 tho... couldn`t manage that one. 9pm to 9am give or take... but even then i can`t get near FB earlier then 11pm, cause bigger girl is not letting me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

V!

Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:17 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
Ones i`m lined up for
- kill, i deffinitely want it off...and view centered.


No need to turn it off with a deadzone. I have only my center mapped to my stick, which I only need if I jerk my head so badly the mic boom on my headset gets misaligned.

For gunnery, if you have the front ~8-10 degrees each side of center in a very low/no sensitivity deadzone, you'll have no problems gunning. Also, if you zoom in a lot and end up really close to someone and then they pull an evasive maneuver, it's really cool to be able to track them with your head and see where they went, another reason to keep it on.

"Use the deadzone" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:19 PM
Another helpfull tip, awesome. Will try that.

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:20 PM
Tall_Canuck wrote:

- My two cents.

Money well spent IMHO.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:22 PM
Here's pics of my config. X and Y axis.

The graph on the left and bottom show the X and Y speeds with the 0 line being center, so you can see I have a wide band of low/no sensitivity, then it smoothly increases and as it goes outwards it gets a little faster.

X:
http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/newstuff/TIR_X.jpg


Y:
http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/newstuff/TIR_Y.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:26 PM
I made an extension to the bill of a baseball cap to get the dot closer to the receiver - makes it very responsive.

Canuck, tell your wife you're getting it for the twins.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:27 PM
Great, thanks Dex. I`ll take it from there.
BTW, how different it is orientation wise from using padlock? I`m pretty good friend with padlock i must say.

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:31 PM
Your deadzone setup is always personal preference and mine is similar to Dexmeister's only a bit less agressive curving from the centre deadzone.

Also, Dex, I've found that after using TIR for a few months I've lowered my Smoothing down to 60 from full. Higher smoothing makes it less responsive (read: laggy) and being smoother isn't that important when you have to stop your head to focus on an object.

Just my preference after a lot of tweaking, but I like having a more instantaneous response than smoother transition. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:34 PM
Ivan,

Expect a small box to arrive at your door.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:35 PM
i dont have time to see if someone already suggested this but now that your hatswitch is free, i would suggest mapping shift f1, and the three zooms (gunsight, normal, and wide) to the 4 positions of your hat switch. i find it simulates moving the pilots head forward and back quite nicely to look around canopy members when a plane dissapears behind one. also good for getting a better view when you check your six

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:38 PM
I just have zoom in and out incrementally on my stick. Nice to be able to pick any of the FOVs from only two buttons.

Ivan, as for padlock, I unmapped it as soon as I got trackIR and rarely use it now.



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:39 PM
Hehe Buzz.. i still have to come up with logical explanation for what`s in that box. Two boxes came to my door last week... one had a computer part that broke (1GB of Corsair) and another had computer part too (New HDD) BUT, second box arrived because they screwed up an order ( /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) with first one LOL. Man, life is tough /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:39 PM
expect much!! love it.. but download a profile. helps u much. took me awhile

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:41 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- I just have zoom in and out incrementally on my
- stick. Nice to be able to pick any of the FOVs from
- only two buttons.
-
- Ivan, as for padlock, I unmapped it as soon as I got
- trackIR and rarely use it now.

That`s not what i meant Dex... let me refrase myself..sorry.. does knowlege of padlock helps adjusting to trackIR?

V!

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Message Edited on 06/19/0311:42PM by crazyivan1970

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:44 PM
Padlock is cool compared to using your hatswitch to track a bandit. TrackIR moves it up one more notch because you naturally look wherever you want and it follows. It resembles padlock but without the bogus side effects that padlock in FB has, like snapping back if a bandit goes behind a canopy pillar, or if he swings behind you "just so" for more than 3 seconds.

Can't wait to hear your reports. My early ones featured a lot of "Holy !@#$" remarks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:45 PM
Dex,

Don't you miss TRackIR in CFS3? That's one reason why I would never try CFS3 again.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:54 PM
I`ll make a wave of me flying LOL..And will post it hehe

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:57 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Dex,
-
- Don't you miss TRackIR in CFS3? That's one reason
- why I would never try CFS3 again.


Yah, I'll never really get over the stupidity of MS to not support it. Luckily the padlock in CFS3 is better than FBs so it's _okay_, but generally it's a big letdown.



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:26 AM
Can you not get track IR to work with mapping the key commands to Track IR? The website seems to suggest the software has that ability.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:50 AM
my only complaint about TIR is that i loose my tracking when i sneeze.

i talked some cfs3 builders and they had no plans to allow for TIR. they knew of it, but it didn't seem to intrest them.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:55 AM
Ivan one more thing make sure your chair is in the same spot everytime you play or it will change the response curve of TiR.

You will see what I meen if you use the tracking screan.The closer you are to the receiver the more your actions move your veiw.


As for padlock I still use it when in formation just to make life easy but you will find that the more you use TiR the less you will need it even when shooting.


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:03 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
- Padlock is cool compared to using your hatswitch to
- track a bandit. TrackIR moves it up one more notch
- because you naturally look wherever you want and it
- follows. It resembles padlock but without the bogus
- side effects that padlock in FB has, like snapping
- back if a bandit goes behind a canopy pillar, or if
- he swings behind you "just so" for more than 3
- seconds.


SHHHHH!!!!

Some of us stake our virtual lives on these padlock quirks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Stop reading this thread RBJ, you're just going to loose your self controll and post something silly. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:40 AM
Expect to eagerly install everything, rush into Forgotten Battles and be immediately disappointed with an unforgivable mess of jerk-o-rama.

Then, take some time to look at the images and advice these kind folks have offered, enlarge your dot target, configure the software, try it again.

Be very, very happy for ever more.

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Message Edited on 06/20/0309:40AM by SpinSpinSugar

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:51 AM
Have fun playing like a robot neck cramps holding and wearing out your auto center button

Had trash ir and it wasnt worth it not at all you will see after a couple of weeks when you get the settings perfect what im talking about

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:12 AM
From memory I think the chap above has ongoing bitterness about the product through not actually using it as intended (enhanced mode).

I don't use the center function at all (apart from once, when the game loads, to reflect your seating position for that session), enhanced mode is always centered when you're looking forward.

And movements are minimal if it's properly configured, you won't get cramps. Lets face it, if you were up there for real you'd be moving your head about a whole lot more.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:20 AM
but you wouldnt have to hold your head still like a damn robot

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:28 AM
What did you nead the center button for ?

With enhanced mode it never loses center even if I get out of my chair.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:29 AM
And I never get a sore neck

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:40 AM
...And you don't have to hold your head still with a properly configured deadzone, etc.

SSS

Hawgdog
06-20-2003, 11:46 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- I still hate trashir


Sorry about your experiences. I love it. Had it since the patch in IL2 where they added the P.11
You didnt set it up correctly. Period. One of our squaddies doesn't like it, I gave him what worked for me and he's going to try it again.
By the way, you are in the vast minority of user who didnt like, overwhelmingly.

Start a new thread offering to sell it.
UBI should have a classifieds anyhow, most other boards do.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:55 AM
I'm beginning to think we need a seperate TrackIR or peripherals forum too, given the amount of threads. I'm not sure if it's really appropriate for the Tech Support area.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:15 PM
Good move sir, I hope you enjoy using your new gadget!

Great tips here, set-up is so easy I think due to the great programming software the trackIR guys provide.

One positive benefit not mentioned so often is the physical feedback you get when using trackIR. You know where you are looking, by the way you have inclined your head, neck etc.

So it is very different to padlock, with no trackIR, because with padlock you can sit staring straight at the screen with your head motionless, while your view goes wild as the bandit turns around you. You get no directly perceptible feedback as the where exactly the padlock is making you 'look'. You must use the cockpit, gunsight, landscape etc to allign yourself, to visually keep track.

With trackIR you feel the feedback in your body directly. You know when you are looking left, or right, so you don't get lost. Its very cool!

The other difference between trackIR and padlock is that trackIR will never find an aircraft or ground target for you, but I'm sure you know that!

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:57 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- but you wouldnt have to hold your head still like a
- damn robot



WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!!
DANGER WILL ROBINSON.............. your track IR is bad for your neck.


I have no doubt that some may be sensative to neck strain.... but I HAVE used track IR in IL2 and FB....
It WAS hard in IL2.....keeping my head still, while at the same time needing to realign the center position all the time was frustrating...... BUT in FB the software has totally eliminated the need to realign, and keep your head still .
Natural Point did a FINE job with the software and it supports FB perfectly.
The first time I CASUALLY glanced at my wingman I gave him a thumbs up.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


The leaning curve isnt bad......... if non existant..
Just have fun........and dont forget to hit F8 to enable the enhanced mode while you are on the runway.... (you only need to do THAT once)

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 03:22 PM
That's a fantastic point delta.

I think you're right, too.

Was doing some dogfight training yesterday with the squad and it's a beautiful thing when the skies get busy. I still ploughed into the ground once whilst looking over my shoulder (with TrackIR that's a mere glance to the left) - it's easy to get carried away with the fixation of following targets and forget to look where you're going /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SSS

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 05:17 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Have fun playing like a robot neck cramps holding
- and wearing out your auto center button

You should have moved your head around more, afterall, that's the whole point!

- Had trash ir and it wasnt worth it not at all you
- will see after a couple of weeks when you get the
- settings perfect what im talking about

The voice of a man who never tried enhanced mode or RTFM!

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:06 PM
Hawgdog,

What are your TrackIR settings? Mine were left over from the old IL2 and I'd lige to try someone elses settings

Also, my trackIR does not retain it's center... Am I doing something wrong?

Can you email them to me or post screenshots of your settings Hawdog?

drolan.nospam@chmc.org

Thanks!

remove no spam of course....

Brain_Washed

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:43 PM
knightflyte wrote:
- The first time I CASUALLY glanced at my wingman I
- gave him a thumbs up

heh. A while back I was playing back a track, looking at the plane in external view and I noticed that the pilot turned his head to look at the 'camera'. I haven't seen that since.

Do pilots turn their heads in response to where the player is looking in the game? In your case, would your wingman see your pilot looking at him when you are looking at the wingman? I'll have to check tonight.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:55 PM
Well u can expect a product that actually delivers.For the setup,I really didnt have to do anything,I just set mouse overide to 0 and it worked just fine right out of the box,just took a couple of hours,to really get the hang of it. If that dosent work for u, in the manual,(downloadable) at www.naturalpoint.com,scroll (http://www.naturalpoint.com,scroll) down till it shows a combat sim profile,which will then take u thru a flight sim setup,and btw,that setup works just perfect for me too. Snort!

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:01 PM
be sure to use the "track ir Enhanced" choice.(F8) and download a decent profile for FB. U can find one on naturalpoint forum or contact me

Its the best gadget a flightsimmer can get.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:37 PM
Wow guys, thanks for all the info. The darn thing is still in transit....but out for delivery hehe... maybe another hour or two. I will let ya all know how`s it going.
Thanks again!

V!

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:40 PM
We've been kidding Ivan. It really sucks. You'll hate it. Sorry you wasted your money../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:20 PM
You are going to love it Ivan!

Covering the basics, again:
1. Get from Naturalpoint forum (or create yourself) the profile with the "Dead Zone". If you need one - I will send you my profile.
2. First - load this profile (Last tab of Natural point software). Do not skip this.
3. Right after - assign this profile to autoload for IL-2 Forgotten Battles (Last tab of Natural point software).
4. Assign keys to
a) switch between Track IR modes
b) center
c) pause/unpause TrackIR.
Mine set to F10, F11, F12 respectively.
5. Remember to switch TrackIR software from "Mouse Emulation Mode" into "Enhanced Mode" every time you boot your PC - "Dead Zone" works only in "Enhanced Mode" (obviously). One of my teammates forgot and was flying with TrackIR in "Mouse Emulation Mode", complaining of software not working properly - loosing center, "Dead Zone" not working.
6. Think of were to install TrackIR gadget - above or below the monitor; Were mount reflective dot - bill of the baseball cap, glasses, bum if the microphone.
You would have to experiment with it. It may be that you will need more then one reflective dot - something like five arranged in the cluster to make head movement tracking more reliable.
7. And then - you are going to have a BLAST!

By the way - 2.00 Bata software will allow you to be able to look 180 degree back, v2.01 "final" will not.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:22 PM
What you should expect is a great experience and a fantastic immersion boost for FB. However, also expect a training period and possibly initial difficulties. Be sure the end result is worth all trouble. Download some TrackIR tracks in case you get difficulties so that you can watch them and convince yourself that you can do it, too.

Here´s a basic physical setup guide and some good advice from other people:

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zegzw

And how´s trackIR different from padlock? Of course, the immersion factor is infinitely greater. Compared to padlock orientation is actually easier (once you learn to use the thing) because you know where you´re looking in relation to the plane from your head´s position. Almost like real life. However, a good setup means everything with TIR. Take your time to find the perfect settings.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:27 PM
One of the main advantages for me with TrackIR, is being able to quickly check my six in a DF. Something you can't do while your locked on with padlock.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 12:16 AM
Disreagard my sudden on-set of idiocy. I somehow saved all these crazy settings onto my TrackIR profile for IL2... Dunno how I managed that one.

I went in, cleaned up the strange stuff that was entered and all is well for me now. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Brain_Washed

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 12:56 AM
Ok. This is what it says on the TrackIR website:

Note : If you have previously downloaded the 2.01 beta prior to the final release, please download 2.01 final for a fix related to the trackIR Enhanced mode present in the initial beta release.

Now, is this just "bogus-speak" for the fact that they changed it just so you can't look 180 degrees anymore, or is there actually something useful added in the final 2.01 release?

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 03:33 AM
Leadspitter is right.

If you have difficulties installing a new video driver, setting up a profile in Outlook Express, troubleshooting your AOL dial-up account, using a mouse with a "wheel thingie", think MHz is something your older brother does to you after watching WWF, or typing to your grandma in AOL Messenger with more than one finger than you probably shouldn't bother with TIR at all.

The manual, although usually quite adequate is not very big and might confuse individuals to the point that they can't get it to work properly. One should ask themselves if they answer "yes" to any of the above scenarios before dropping their hard-earned money! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Again, if you are prone to temper tantrums or simply do not have the patience to figure it out perhaps by even visiting the forum or asking for advice on how to make it work to your expectations you'd better just not bother with it.

It was very prudent of you to point this out, actually, since TIR is definitely NOT FOR EVERYBODY!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 03:40 AM
Ivan I had TIR... I sent it back for several reasons..one was that I couldnt really justify the expense to myself considering I had just got some pedals and a new video card... Plus i didnt really like it. I got tired of having to keep my head a certain way and i could never get the sensitivity right. I like the mouse control on my X45 much better. I may try it again down the road but for now it just seemed too little for the expense to me. I saw some tracks that were really nice though. I hope you get more out of it than I did. I would suggest that you really, really work it over. That way if you find you dont like it you can return it. Thats too much $$$ to have to eat for a product you arent really crazy about...... You may love it though... let us know.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 03:48 AM
Hey guys, i had to start a new thread lol...hope mods wouldn`t mind /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 03:50 AM
I prefer the mouse cursor button on my HOTAS but track ir is pretty nice also. Unfortunatly mine collects dust.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:32 AM
ACE.HOLE wrote:
- I prefer the mouse cursor button on my HOTAS but
- track ir is pretty nice also. Unfortunatly mine
- collects dust.


Precisely why i sent mine back.... Thats too much money to spend for a dust collector.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 08:09 AM
Bear

You should have had faith and waited for enhanced mode. I note with interest that you don't mention you only used TIR in mouse mode. Smacks of missinformation to me. :/

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:57 PM
I almost gave up on it too in IL2 actually. I thought it was awesome in many ways but it wasn't very practical for me most of the time having to re-center.

Actually, the worst of it was the choppiness of motion whenever you moved it seemed like the object you were trying to focus on was sliding down 5x5 pixel stairs.

I only decided to buy it because I knew by then that FB would support it and for the most part enjoyed using it despite the above issues. When FB arrived I was absolutely stunned by how well it really worked!

I honestly don't think I could go back to flying without it, just as I wouldn't bother playing a game like Unreal Tournament with a joystick.

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