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robban75
01-29-2004, 02:01 PM
I'd like to know how fast the rolled in RL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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robban75
01-29-2004, 02:01 PM
I'd like to know how fast the rolled in RL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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JG26Red
01-29-2004, 02:38 PM
LOL, are you trying to say something?? lol, i had a yak3 roll pretty good with me the other night... at about 650kph...

Zen--
01-29-2004, 02:44 PM
Imho, ALL planes seem to roll too fast in this game, not just the FW series. Relative advantages appear to be fairly close for most planes, but it's almost like any plane rolls faster than they did in real life.

Ever watch war footage? Even gunsight camera footage rarely shows anyone rolling at the speeds we routinely do in FB....not saying it's wrong, just feels like everyone is stepped up a notch.

Just my opinion anyway.

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robban75
01-29-2004, 11:00 PM
IIRC, there hasn't been a single rollrate chart for russian planes posted on these boards since the beginning of IL2. I don't if it has even been brought up at all. We have seen rollcharts for allied planes, 109's, and on the Fw 190 there only seem to be one roll chart avaliable. We have just taken for granted the russian planes Fw 190 like rollrates. I'd just like to know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Zen--
01-30-2004, 12:00 AM
I bet thats because there are no Russian roll charts and they are all overmodelled.

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kyrule2
01-30-2004, 12:08 AM
Gotta agree here, would love to see some VVS roll charts.

And I agree that almost all planes roll too fast in FB compared to RL.

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robban75
01-30-2004, 12:21 PM
Bumping this, hoping for answers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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BSS_Goat
01-30-2004, 01:38 PM
I've got some but you cant see them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

JG26Red
01-30-2004, 01:55 PM
russian planes roll too fast hehehehehehe, gotta do something for them to keep up with a roll maniac 190 pilot lol... oh well, just another part of this inperfect game i suppose...

ucanfly
01-30-2004, 02:09 PM
Maybe posting any chart may reveal something! Well truthfully I don't think roll is very realistic in this game at all (almost no adverse yaw and too fast), but the most unrealistic thing I've noticed is the amount of negative gs everyone can pull instantaneously. Rolling inverted shouldn't be as easy as it is either. The outside maneuvers you can pull of is like a world class aerobatic aircraft, not a heavy laden fighter with an asymetrical airfoil. This isn't news to the FB team as one of their training tracks shows an unrealistic inverted maneuver.

FW190fan
01-30-2004, 03:26 PM
It's classified.

Oleg could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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TheGozr
01-30-2004, 04:23 PM
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Zen--
01-30-2004, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ucanfly:
Maybe posting any chart may reveal something! Well truthfully I don't think roll is very realistic in this game at all (almost no adverse yaw and too fast), but the most unrealistic thing I've noticed is the amount of negative gs everyone can pull instantaneously. Rolling inverted shouldn't be as easy as it is either. The outside maneuvers you can pull of is like a world class aerobatic aircraft, not a heavy laden fighter with an asymetrical airfoil. This isn't news to the FB team as one of their training tracks shows an unrealistic inverted maneuver.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


By adverse yaw do you mean 'slippage' (if that is even a word itself http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), as when a plane rolls wings vertical it drops in altitude?

Or is that a specific term for something else?

I'm familiar with the concept of aerodynamics but not so much actual piloting terms.

I give an example of watching planes in flight...few of them seem to be able to hold a steady altitude when they roll wings vertical because they no longer have lift...they fall away from the camera.

Planes doing continuous rolling actually appear to be barrel rolling...the lose lift and drop, gain lift and rise, it seems they do not pivot on their axis while maintaining a steady altitude and flight path as they do in FB.

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robban75
01-30-2004, 04:55 PM
Adverse yaw is movement caused by deflection of the ailerons on all wings exept deltawings. Let's say you roll left. That will cause your nose to yaw right, because the aileron that deflects downward will create lift and also drag. The drag causes the plane to yaw in the opposite direction to the intended turn. that's why one steps on the rudder in order to get clean roll into the turn. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Or perhaps in better words.

Adverse aileron yaw is caused by the down going aileron creating more drag than the up going aileron which in turn causes the aircraft to yaw in the opposite direction to which you want to turn.

Hope I made sense!

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LeadSpitter_
01-30-2004, 05:25 PM
if you look at the roll charts the left is usually increments .10th of a second, the margin between the best rolling aircraft and the worst rolling aircraft "zero" is to great and needs to be reduced to match the charts.

I would like to see some russian graphs on climb roll bank combat turn, I never seen anyone post them here

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SkyChimp
01-30-2004, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
I'd like to know how fast the rolled in RL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, they exist. But they are locked in a vault in Moscow. Access is granted only to Oleg. If you were to see them, you would have to be killed.

Just assume all Soviet planes rolled like the Fw-190.

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SkyChimp
01-30-2004, 07:52 PM
All planes roll too fast in FB?

Hmmm. From what I've seen, all US planes in FB, save the P-39, roll too slow or are pretty close. Even the Bf-109 is more accurate now. I only see Soviet planes as rolling too fast.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-31-2004, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ...(most Russian aeroplanes roll very well).

~ http://www.polikarpov.co.nz/pages/i_16pr.html
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oleg must be doing something right if the only FM (not DM) Whining is about Roll Rates. That is quite a change from last year.



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robban75
01-31-2004, 08:24 AM
Criticising russian planes on these boards is a mortal sin I know that, but I do believe they need a serious looking into. Their performance have been debated countless of times. But strangely enough their snappy rollrates have just been excepted for some reason.

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FW190fan
01-31-2004, 10:01 AM
Resistance is futile.

Be sure!

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LeadSpitter_
01-31-2004, 10:48 AM
they i16 also stalled very easily, the i16 roll quick because of the small wings, I seen in a couple interviews from soviet pilots saying the i16 was a deathtrap, extremely poor wing lift, stalls, wings ripping off in flight from hard jinking, they also speak of the tactics they had to use against the emils circle of death where groups of 3 i16s would stay low and fly in a circle to draw the emils in, in all the guncam i have, real speed I never seen any plane manuever like they do in fb with the exception of some 109 snap rolls and jinks.

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