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ASH at S-MART
02-27-2004, 03:54 PM
Is this a senario or for real?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/l46/L46-p-80.htm

ASH at S-MART
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ASH at S-MART
02-27-2004, 03:54 PM
Is this a senario or for real?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/l46/L46-p-80.htm

ASH at S-MART
http://www.thecobrasnose.com/images4/brucecampbellSMart.jpg

Korolov
02-27-2004, 03:58 PM
Hmm, no I think thats a mock-up for a story on the model.

I could be way off, though.

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg

ASH at S-MART
02-27-2004, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Hmm, no I think thats a mock-up for a story on the model.

I could be way off, though.

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think so too.. Just caught my eye.. Never read anything even close to it.. That and never heard of the Germans making thier way back down S Italy in 45.. So it has to be a 46 what if kind of thing.. But, Im no history major, so, thought I would put it out there to see what comes back! This place is good for that!

ASH at S-MART
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PE_Mosor
02-27-2004, 04:05 PM
Yes, quite realistic, specialy the February 1945 German offensive that ended near Rome! And don't forget what happen after P80 was transfered to Heinkel Werke in JULY 1945, 2 months AFTER end of WW2 in Europe!

Of course it's not real, haven't you learnead at least something in school http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

necrobaron
02-27-2004, 04:05 PM
Well,it's certainly a make-believe scenario,but at least it's somewhat believable(except for the "'45 counterattack in Italy".) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

Chuck_Older
02-27-2004, 04:07 PM
The first P-80 was accepted by the USAAF in February of 1945. That same month, this webpage claims the Germans captured one in a counter-attack that reached to Rome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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necrobaron
02-27-2004, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
The first P-80 was accepted by the USAAF in February of 1945. That same month, this webpage claims the Germans captured one in a counter-attack that reached to Rome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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That's definately convenient. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

ASH at S-MART
02-27-2004, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ante123:
Yes, quite realistic, specialy the February 1945 German offensive that ended near Rome! And don't forget what happen after P80 was transfered to Heinkel Werke in JULY 1945, 2 months AFTER end of WW2 in Europe!

Of course it's not real, haven't you learnead at least something in school http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>DOH! I missed that July part! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif So.. it is agreed, bogus as bogus gets! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ASH at S-MART
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JHAT__
02-27-2004, 04:14 PM
That s probably not true. How did the germans overrun Rome?! In February 1945 the allies were already in the Po valley, the front line was around Pisa, above it, some kilometers. It s impossible they just marched down with what they had (little) until they reached Rome... doubtful.

JHAT

necrobaron
02-27-2004, 04:17 PM
Maybe he should've said some elite Brandenburgers or specially trained Fallschirmjaegers dropped from a lone Ju-52 and stole the P-80. Hey it could've happened. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

MandMs
02-27-2004, 04:17 PM
Some ppl are gullable. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif



I eat the red ones last.

Chuck_Older
02-27-2004, 04:25 PM
It's not doubtful at all, JHAT. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif There's nothing doubtful about it. It didn't happen. The author of the webpage gives the info away, BTW- read the last section under "THE MODEL" that reads, "so the captured P-80 was born". he thought it up, obviously foregtting when the European war ended. Another give-away is that the supposed capture d P-80 had engine failure so it got captured. Well, how would the Germans get it back to Germany if it hadn't been in flying condition? On their backs? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Plus if it had been in Italy in Feb of '45, it would be an honest-to-God operational WWII fighter, which it wasn't.

This guy coulda caused a lot of discussion here if he had gotten his dates more correct. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif It's just a webpage from aguy who didn't want to throw away a model, so he repainted it to represent an aircraft that got captured. Looks pretty good in those colors, actually.

The pin-up girl nose art gives it away, too. Allied practice, wouldn't be replicated by the Germans after a re-paint.

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Chuck_Older
02-27-2004, 04:33 PM
Oooo, more give-aways-

The backdrops are all the same.
Also, there are two light sources in the pics- one from the lamp, and one reflected from the picture the diorama is next to. Check out the shadows.

Ash, where did you stumble across this? I doubt very much it was intended to fool anyone.

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necrobaron
02-27-2004, 04:47 PM
No,I don't think he meant to fool anyone. I completely missed the nose art,though I have seen pics of German-captured Allied birds that had the pin-ups retained.

"Not all who wander are lost."

VW-IceFire
02-27-2004, 04:51 PM
Its a model...probaly a fictional account. Its well done and possibly worthy of a fictional FB scenario...but its fiction from what I can tell.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
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necrobaron
02-27-2004, 04:54 PM
Scenarios like the one described are exactly why I welcome these "wunder" planes. It gives our mission builders so much to work with and the chance to use their imaginations. I just hope they think out their missions a bit better than that guy did. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

WUAF_Badsight
02-27-2004, 04:54 PM
its 100% a model .....

Quote : . . .
"Years ago I built an Airfix P-80. This year I decided to try again, but felt it was a shame to just chuck the old one out. So the captured P-80 was born"

Chuck_Older
02-27-2004, 05:49 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by necrobaron:
though I have seen pics of German-captured Allied birds that had the pin-ups retained.

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Really? They re-painted the nose art, or did they just leave it alone?

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Franzen
02-27-2004, 08:47 PM
Obviously a model. Look at the nose gear. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

necrobaron
02-27-2004, 09:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by necrobaron:
though I have seen pics of German-captured Allied birds that had the pin-ups retained.

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Really? They re-painted the nose art, or did they just leave it alone?

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It looks like they painted around them,but they may have repainted them. I'm not sure.

"Not all who wander are lost."

ASH at S-MART
02-27-2004, 10:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
its 100% a model .....

Quote : . . .
"Years ago I built an Airfix P-80. This year I decided to try again, but felt it was a shame to just chuck the old one out. So the captured P-80 was born"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yupp.. the fact it was a model was never in question.. It was the story he was tellin like it was true.. I missed the little July aspect though.. And I was pretty darn sure that Jerry didnt make it S to Itally that late in the war.

ASH at S-MART
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ASH at S-MART
02-27-2004, 10:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
Scenarios like the one described are exactly why I welcome these "wunder" planes. It gives our mission builders so much to work with and the chance to use their imaginations. I just hope they think out their missions a bit better than that guy did. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Exactally! And I kind of like that paint job.. Might come in handy for some skinners... HINT HINT! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ASH at S-MART
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enraged_chimp..
02-28-2004, 06:13 AM
erm just look at the URL
L46 strike a bell?
(luft46)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/l46/L46-p-80.htm

being a necessity dosen't stop it sucking!