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Flying_Nutcase
04-03-2004, 10:20 AM
Hi all,

I'm in the market for a 21 or 22 inch monitor, and having done a little research, I realize that it's not an easy choice.

If any of you would like to comment on your experiences with such monitors, I'd love to hear what you have to say.

Also, here are some technical questions:


1) Apparently Aperture Grille monitors are better for graphics than Shadow Mask monitors (which are better for text). Is there a significant difference for gaming graphics?

2) The smaller dot pitch the better, but Shadow Mask monitors seem to go down to smaller dot pitches than Aperture Grille monitors. Would the difference between a 0.21 dot pitch Shadow Mask and a 0.24 dot pitch Apeture Grille monitor make up for the Aperture Grille's inherently better graphics quality?

Ta in advance,


Nutcase.

Flying_Nutcase
04-03-2004, 10:20 AM
Hi all,

I'm in the market for a 21 or 22 inch monitor, and having done a little research, I realize that it's not an easy choice.

If any of you would like to comment on your experiences with such monitors, I'd love to hear what you have to say.

Also, here are some technical questions:


1) Apparently Aperture Grille monitors are better for graphics than Shadow Mask monitors (which are better for text). Is there a significant difference for gaming graphics?

2) The smaller dot pitch the better, but Shadow Mask monitors seem to go down to smaller dot pitches than Aperture Grille monitors. Would the difference between a 0.21 dot pitch Shadow Mask and a 0.24 dot pitch Apeture Grille monitor make up for the Aperture Grille's inherently better graphics quality?

Ta in advance,


Nutcase.

knightflyte
04-03-2004, 10:46 AM
Well, you did ask for the BEST.
Sony's f520 21" CRT displat.


http://www.sony-cp.com/en/products/crt/f_professional/f520/

knightflyte
04-03-2004, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by knightflyte:
Well, you did ask for the BEST.
Sony's f520 21" CRT displat.


http://www.sony-cp.com/en/products/crt/f_professional/f520/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



prepare for sticker shock

Patch_whiner
04-03-2004, 11:06 AM
Viewsonic P220F 22"- a snip at 450 GBP


PW

Flying_Nutcase
04-03-2004, 11:13 AM
Err, yeah. Let me be more clear on the criteria:What's the best VALUE FOR MONEY 21 or 22 inch monitor.{What the heck -- my enter button has just stopped working. Time for a new keyboard too}. I'll consider something up to let's say about $US650. I've heard good stuff about Cornerstone monitors.

Xnomad
04-03-2004, 11:21 AM
I've got a 19" aperture grille Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 930sb with .24mm diagonal dot pitch. Now I know it's not the same size of what you are asking about but I can tell you a bit about mine.

The graphics are superb and written text looks great, you do get used to it quite quickly though so you won't notice it after a while unless you go back to your old monitor.

Aperture grille monitors have two very faint shadows about slightly less than 1/5 of the way down and 1/5 of the way up. The shadow is a tiny horizontal line and is caused by the wires that hold the grill in place. You only really notice this in games like IL2 when you are panning about but you quickly get used to it and don't notice them after a while. You won't really notice them much in other games as you aren't searching for pixels as much as in FB. The shadows can put some people off so go to a store and get a demonstration to see if it bothers you.

As for dot pitch I think .24 is good enough for spotting dots in FB however I think .21mm might be a horizontal dot pitch which really equates to a .26mm or .25 diagonal dot pitch but I could be wrong.

Edit: Mixed up my horizontals and diagonals http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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[This message was edited by Xnomad on Sat April 03 2004 at 10:31 AM.]

US_8th_Dosiere
04-03-2004, 11:33 AM
The Sony Trinitron CRT monitors are absolutely great. I have the 19" version, but I have heard only good things about the larger ones as well. Mine has lasted almost 3 years now and the visual quality is still as good as on day one.

NEC also builds some great 21"-22" CRTs, although I have never had first hand experience with them. Here's a link to New Egg, most of them are below your $650 price cap.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=19&manufactory=1591&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1
I have tried a few cheaper monitors from Viewsonic and wasn't very impressed. Only a week after setting it up the colors became all washed out in the lower left corner and I had to take it back to the store.

Sultan63
04-03-2004, 11:41 AM
Hi I got the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070.
Got it last year when I still had an athtlon 500 mhz computer. Even with that old hardware my Il2 experience improved alot. Had a 17 inch before. Now I have an Athlon 64-3400 and run at 1280x960 with 4AA and 8AF everything in the game maxed out and it's simply stunning. Get around 20fps in Perfect and 40 at exellent. Refresh rate is 85Khz so no eyestrain. I'am using this resolution because my desktop is set at at the same. I paid about $650 for it at the Dell website. With the amount of time I spend behind the computer I think it's one of the better purchases I've ever made. Oh and do yourself a favor, get Track IR2 while you at it.
That realy will put you in the pilot seat. Succes

Slick750
04-03-2004, 11:43 AM
I have an Optiquest 22" monitor, a friend gave it to me to pay me for work on his car. I dont know the real value but its great .. I love it, I have 3 monitors at home and the colors are real good on this one.

huggy87
04-03-2004, 12:12 PM
I have a 22" viewsonic p225fb. It works great and I got it for $600 U.S. PC Gamer has been recommending it for years in their hardstuff space. Check out Pricegrabber.com

bodaw
04-03-2004, 01:26 PM
Hi, I've been using a 21" KDS monitor for over 2 years now and they're not bad. As for your question, average 21" is way cheaper than the cheapest 22". That one extra inch will cost you an arm and a leg. But difference is small. Whichever one you choose, make sure it has the BNC connections and get a quality BNC to VGA cable. It does make a difference.

I'm also thinking about getting another one as most companies stop making large CRTs and focusing on the LCDs instead.

VonKlugermon
04-03-2004, 02:00 PM
Viewsonic/Optiquest = Same manufacturer. Optiquest is Viewsonic's "value" line. I have a 19" Optiquest, about 6 years old, but still going strong! Can't go wrong with either, price may be biggest determining factor.

Willy

Flying_Nutcase
04-03-2004, 05:16 PM
Cheers guys.

Btw, what's a BNC connection?

Ta,


Nutcase.

Flying_Nutcase
04-03-2004, 06:02 PM
oh yeah, and does anyone use a Shadow Mask monitor?

What're the graphics like?

And Sultan -- you're dead right about the TrackIR2. I bought one a couple of months ago and swear by it 100%. I would HATE HATE HATE to have to fly without it. That's one purchase I'm sure noone has regretted.

Also, I had my Simped rudder pedals delivered yesterday. They feel great but I haven't had time to set them up yet.

maddvmaxx
04-03-2004, 09:54 PM
Viewsonic here also.I love the richness of the color.

PF_Coastie
04-03-2004, 11:36 PM
One thing to keep in mind about Dot pitch. Some manufacturers use Horizontal dot pitch instead of diagonal. I think samsung is one. Just keep your eyes out. It will give the false sense it is a crisper monitor because the number will be lower, like 20. But that is only equivalent to say a 25 diagonal.

Good Luck!

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clayman_52
04-04-2004, 01:05 AM
On my main system I have a Viewsonic P220F 22" and it's the best at the price ... good high Hz at 1600x1280 for the money. I still feel Sony may be better but it's more expensive.

Also I have an old PF790 Viewsonic on my second system ... had it for years. Only hits 75Hz at 16x12 but man has it lasted and AEP looks real good on it still.

Whatever you do get the highest hertz you can get for whatever res you play at ... so you get the highest frames. Personally ... I like the highest I can get for 1600x1280 but I'm insane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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