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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:05 PM
How many here can do these off the top of their head? I tried to include a mix of easy and hard ones, and tried to avoid anything too obscure...

1. List the five (famous) codenames used for the beaches attacked on D-Day.
2. In what ship did the five Sullivan brothers (the basis for "Saving Private Ryan") serve?
3. In what campaign did Britain (arguably) suffer its most humiliating defeat of World War Two?
4. What aircraft company crafted the world's first jet plane, flown in 1939?
5. What was the first city ever victimized by firebombing?

Anyone else have good trivia questions?

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:05 PM
How many here can do these off the top of their head? I tried to include a mix of easy and hard ones, and tried to avoid anything too obscure...

1. List the five (famous) codenames used for the beaches attacked on D-Day.
2. In what ship did the five Sullivan brothers (the basis for "Saving Private Ryan") serve?
3. In what campaign did Britain (arguably) suffer its most humiliating defeat of World War Two?
4. What aircraft company crafted the world's first jet plane, flown in 1939?
5. What was the first city ever victimized by firebombing?

Anyone else have good trivia questions?

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:06 PM
What does this have to do with IL2? Is this a pilots lounge now?

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:30 PM
- 1. List the five (famous) codenames used for the
- beaches attacked on D-Day.
Gold,Sword,Juno (spelling),Omaha,Utah
- 2. In what ship did the five Sullivan brothers (the
- basis for "Saving Private Ryan") serve?
I think it was a cruiser,maybe the Atlanta?
- 3. In what campaign did Britain (arguably) suffer
- its most humiliating defeat of World War Two?
Battle of Norway
- 4. What aircraft company crafted the world's first
- jet plane, flown in 1939?
Gloster
- 5. What was the first city ever victimized by
- firebombing?
I'd say Coventry



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:36 PM
DeerHunterUK wrote:

- I think it was a cruiser,maybe the Atlanta?

The light cruiser USS Juneau, CL52.


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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:38 PM
1 Omaha, Juno, Utah, Sword, Gold

the rest, dunno

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:56 PM
I'm pretty sure the first company was Heinkel but I'm unsure about the rest (except the beach code names).

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 05:56 PM
MiloMorai wrote:
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- DeerHunterUK wrote:
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-- I think it was a cruiser,maybe the Atlanta?
-
- The light cruiser USS Juneau, CL52.
-

I remember seeing a wartime propaganda poster with the 5 brothers on it surrounding the ship's telegraph(?) machine, but just couldn't remember the name of the ship. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 07:08 PM
Saving Private Ryan was NOT based on the Sullivan brothers.



The Ryan character is based on Fritz Niland, who lost two brothers in Normandy and a third brother, who was M.I.A. in Burma, was presumed dead. (That third brother was later found alive)

Niland, (the real soldier) was dropped behind German lines as were many other paratroopers mis-dropped all over Normandy. He spent 18 days behind German lines evading enemy patrols, helped by local French civilians. He finally walked into US controlled territory on his own. When he reported in, the story goes he was told, "oh, we've been looking for you." A Chaplain drove Niland down to the beach in a jeep so he could be evacuated. There was no rescue, no risking a group of men to save one, no bridge, and no TIGER tank! The German Tigers were attacking further west in the British sector.



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 07:46 PM
Good movie tho.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:27 PM
The most humiliating British defeat is Singapore for my money, where a British army with time to prepare was soundly and quickly defeated by a smaller Japanese force.

'We were frankly out-generaled, out-witted amd out-fought, it is a great disaster for British Arms, one of the worst in history, and a great blow to the honour and presteige of the Army. From the beginning to the end of this campaign we have been outmatched by better soldiers' wrote General Sir Henry Pownall.

The Royal Navy and RAF would have probably agreed.

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In January 1945 German officials from the Ministry of Armaments assessed what might have been produced in 1944 without the bombing. They estimated that German industry turned out 35% fewer tanks, 31% fewer aircraft and 42% fewer lorries than would have been possible otherwise.All the officials interviewed (after the war) stated that bombing was the factor responsible for the declining gains from rationalisation and for the eventual collapse of the economic structure after January 1945

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:39 PM
Mr_Nakajima wrote:
- The most humiliating British defeat is Singapore for
- my money, where a British army with time to prepare
- was soundly and quickly defeated by a smaller
- Japanese force.

Yes, I was going to say Singapore too.

The beaches have been named; not sure about the ship; think Heinkel just beat Gloster; think London was firebombed before Coventry, but wasn't Rotterdam firebombed, or was that just bombed? Hmm maybe you were right with Coventry after all; I seem to recall that the fires in London were due to paint storage wharehouses getting hit rather than to the use of incendiaries. Ok, don't know, but will have a stab at Rotterdam.

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 12:53 AM
On the theme of Singapore it was a major defeat and blunders abounded.

1.Never mind how good the B-239 buffalo seems on FB.They were totally outclassed and easy prey by 1941-42
The majority of the aircraft in Singapore were buffalos and hurris!!(.303 trops)
2. We lost the Exeter and had the Warship Prince of Wales critically damaged through air attack(The ships had no air support since the carrier travelling with them had to return to port with problems.
3.All those that survived Singapore went onto construction work for the Burma Thailand 'death' railway.
A terrible experience for any soldier!

Rotterdam was bombed just after the surrender of Dutch forces .The LW couldn't recall the bombers in time to prevent the raid.That is why Rotterdam is infamous bcos it was bombing after an armistance

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:55 PM
Sorry folks, I thought generic WWII stuff was OK on this forum, and thought you guys might enjoy the challenge. Anyway, here are the answers (some of which are, of course, debatable).

sightreader wrote:
- 1. List the five (famous) codenames used for the
- beaches attacked on D-Day.

Utah, Omaha, Gold, Sword, Juno

- 2. In what ship did the five Sullivan brothers (the
- basis for "Saving Private Ryan") serve?

The USS Juneau was struck by a submarine torpedo and was blown in half. No rescue was attempted for 8 days due to Japanese sub activity, during which many survivors died of exposure and horrific shark attacks. The negative publicity around this event resulted in a strong US aversion to posting kin in the same area, an attitude studied in "Saving Private Ryan".

- 3. In what campaign did Britain (arguably) suffer
- its most humiliating defeat of World War Two?

In Singapore, 90,000 troops in the supposedly impregnable "Gibraltar of the East" surrendered to only 65,000 Japanese whom the British previously regarded as inferior "little men". Upon hearing the news, Churchill wrote, "I put the telephone down. I was thankful to be alone. In all the war I never received a more direct shock."

- 4. What aircraft company crafted the world's first
- jet plane, flown in 1939?

In August, 1939, Captain Erich Warsitz flew the He 178, achieving over 400mph with a jet engine designed by Pabst von Ohain that only delivered 838 lbs of static thrust.

- 5. What was the first city ever victimized by
- firebombing?

In May, 1942 the city of Exeter, England was bombed by on a heavily overcast day. There were only a few attacking German bombers, but the entire town centre was destroyed due to the reflection of heat from the clouds back into the city, generating firestorm conditions. This incident was carefully studied by the allies who then developed the technique of deliberately combining overcast weather with HE weapons on flammable dwellings. You could argue that this wasn't the first firebombing since the conditions were an accident and bombs used were not explicitly designed for this purpose, but this was at least the first occurance of firebombing conditions.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:01 PM
He 178 was the first TRUE jet plane ever to fly, but the first flying plane by the principles of reaction was the Italian Campini-Caproni, some years before. It used a complex engine that expelled compressed air by means of a piston-engine powered compressor...

The first serious project for a jet plane was made by engineer Henri Coanda... in 1910! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif It was an incredibly advanced streamlined wooden-skin biplane. It only lacked the proper jet engine... too advanced for its time. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:16 PM
>Sorry folks, I thought generic WWII stuff was OK on this forum.

Your post was fine; apparently kajr thinks he's been appointed hall monitor.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:20 PM
Kajr must be one of those guys who invites a girl to dinner and talk about the weather... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ...and talks about the weather. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:26 PM
That question number 5 is difficult to answer, it´s depending on how do you define firebombing, IMHO. If here wasn´t firebombings in Poland, then I would say that first real firebombing was done in February 10th 1940 by Soviet Air forces with firebombs against Finnish city of Vyborg. This event is also known as The Arson Saturday here.

City was luckily already evacuated from its civilian population (84.000 people), but Russians didn´t know that until after the war. Finnish troops in city saw and photographed this event.
It was about 1450hrs when it was heard the sound of the engines of massive plane armada in several waves flying toward city from south. Here was some 200-300 planes in armada according to sources. Russians did several times bomb Vyborg with massive bomber armadas, but this was absolutely the largest and most powerful bombing against city during Winter War so far. 15 minutes later last plane left over the city.
Wide areas of Old Town and Neitsytniemi were burning, inclidung several historical churches and buildings (Oldest church was from year 1481), as well big apartment houses and important warehouses etc etc.

Some photos from the city of Vyborg after firebombing:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/~avalpas/Viipuri/images/Tuhopolttolauantai_1.jpg


http://koti.mbnet.fi/~avalpas/Viipuri/images/Tuhopolttolauantai_2.jpg


http://koti.mbnet.fi/~avalpas/Viipuri/images/Tuhopolttolauantai_3.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:53 PM
sightreader wrote:
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-- 5. What was the first city ever victimized by
-- firebombing?
-
- In May, 1942 the city of Exeter, England was bombed
- by on a heavily overcast day. There were only a few
- attacking German bombers, but the entire town centre
- was destroyed due to the reflection of heat from the
- clouds back into the city, generating firestorm
- conditions. This incident was carefully studied by
- the allies who then developed the technique of
- deliberately combining overcast weather with HE
- weapons on flammable dwellings. You could argue
- that this wasn't the first firebombing since the
- conditions were an accident and bombs used were not
- explicitly designed for this purpose, but this was
- at least the first occurance of firebombing
- conditions.
-
-
Exeter was one of several cities in Britain attacked in 1942.York and Canterbury were also hit fairly hard.
These towns were not as valuable to the war effort unlike coventry birmingham etc and were known mostly for their historical and sightseeing attractions.

This 'blitz' was known as the Baedecker blitz (sp?).The Germans consulted Baedecker's tourist book on England to choose targets that would damage Britain's cultural heritage.

The German's started these raids in response to RAF raids on cultural centres in Germany.It was at tit for tat affair.
sightreader wrote:
-
-- 5. What was the first city ever victimized by
-- firebombing?
-
- In May, 1942 the city of Exeter, England was bombed
- by on a heavily overcast day. There were only a few
- attacking German bombers, but the entire town centre
- was destroyed due to the reflection of heat from the
- clouds back into the city, generating firestorm
- conditions. This incident was carefully studied by
- the allies who then developed the technique of
- deliberately combining overcast weather with HE
- weapons on flammable dwellings. You could argue
- that this wasn't the first firebombing since the
- conditions were an accident and bombs used were not
- explicitly designed for this purpose, but this was
- at least the first occurance of firebombing
- conditions.
-
-

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 09:25 PM
okay some of them were already mentioned but, here goes anyway,
1: Gold, Juno, Sword, Omaha, Utah
2:The Uss Juneau?
3:I'm at odds here This could either be Tobruk (which feel in 24 hours despite a viscious defense in 1941) or Singapore.
4: not Gloster, but Heinkel, the He 178
5: take your pick; Warsaw, Rotterdam or Coventry


I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 10:11 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- He 178 was the first TRUE jet plane ever to fly, but
- the first flying plane by the principles of reaction
- was the Italian Campini-Caproni, some years before.


Well, I guess the main reason for my post was to promote discussion. I knew the answers would be controversial.