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actionhank1786
09-06-2004, 07:46 PM
I plan on purchasing one of these joystick/Throttle systems. But before i do, ifigure i'll get some thoughts from the people who know it best, the Il-2 community. So if you have one, i'd love to hear from you. What do you like dislike, should i buy it, do you love it, anything. Just tell me if you think it's worth the 80 dollars i'll have to shell out.
Thanks guys

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actionhank1786
09-06-2004, 07:46 PM
I plan on purchasing one of these joystick/Throttle systems. But before i do, ifigure i'll get some thoughts from the people who know it best, the Il-2 community. So if you have one, i'd love to hear from you. What do you like dislike, should i buy it, do you love it, anything. Just tell me if you think it's worth the 80 dollars i'll have to shell out.
Thanks guys

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LC34
09-06-2004, 07:55 PM
I love mine. Fits my hand good and if you ask me it just looks cool.

My dislikes on it though arent really big deals, for one its the rocker rudder thing. Its the only part of the stick/throttle that doesnt seem to fit right with my hands. Once you get used to it though I like it a lot better than my old twist stick.

A lot of people to counter this rudder situation buy some rudder pedals. If you have the money for that from what I hear its a great combo.

As far as my reply goes, to me its WELL worth the money.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
09-06-2004, 07:57 PM
Its a good stick I use it all the time. Only thing I didnt like was the rudder rocker (I ended up get my self some ch-pro pedals) although some folk (with proper tweaking of the conf.ini) manage to cope quite happily with it.
All in all a good buy in my opinion.

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LW_lcarp
09-06-2004, 07:59 PM
Love mine but its on its way to california for repairs at the moment.

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essemm
09-06-2004, 08:01 PM
I have one and simply love it. It's really worth the $$$. I have had mine for almost a year now, and not a single problem has arisen. Like and dislikes:

Likes:
-I love the ease of programming it.
-I love that lots of people already have IL2FB profiles for it (adlabs6 is the best I have found so far).
-I really like the rotating knobs...great for trim.
-The plethora of buttons is great.
-The mode select is easy and adds a lot to the setup
-It's durable.
-The throttle feels cool (I can't describe it and better).
-I get lots of compliments on it from my non-flight-sim friends.
-It was WAY cheaper than the Cougar.

Dislikes:
-It's not as well made as the Cougar (Saitek=Volkswagen, Cougar=BMW).
-The pinky switch makes the joystick a bit cramped.

That's about it. For the money, the X45 is definately worth it.

Good luck!

lil_labbit
09-06-2004, 08:09 PM
The Saitek X-45 HOTAS is great - well eh not 100% -
lol
DON'T GET IT NOW!

don't get it - period!

wait till 10/2004 and get the http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm
It will be about the same price...

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zetareticulan
09-06-2004, 08:22 PM
Actionhank

here's my take on the x45

installing this stick throttle combo can be a real heartache - forewarned is forearmed. Trawl these pages for advice from the joystick experten though and you'll do just fine.

check the saitek site for updated drivers as well.

programming the piece is the next task. it's not rocket science, but if it's not done just so, especially with respect to advanced commands and macros for hat switches, your computer will ring like an alarm bell. (no over exaggeration here).

you may have heard that the combo is a bit big and that small hands have difficulty reaching buttons etc. if you fall into this category - no real problem. a few household items and a bit of creativity will overcome this. (i put a couple of suggestions up about this recently - saitek small hands or something like that)

oh, and it really does need velcroing to the desk.

if you do get this product, jump in with both feet and experiment until you find a set up that suits you. you're not going to break it.

and when you have got it working to your taste, the degree of additional control it gives you over your fave plane is really worth the effort.

Cheers

lil_labbit
09-06-2004, 08:25 PM
yep... that's the Saitek sound...
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nothing wrong with the x45 - well the rudder-rocker lol - but - I got me a Saitek Evo for that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - and yes - both profilers workhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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WTE_DuStA
09-06-2004, 08:42 PM
you get what you pay for with the x45. I own one and now regret buying it. It is not designed for daily usage and have found that the plastic components stick . I have resorted to pulling it apart and shaving some rough edges of the plastic down and also stripping it before a long session and applying a lubricant to enable small minute accurate adjustments while flying. personally ia msaving up for a CH setup. IMHO thats the only way to go

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WTE_Galway
09-06-2004, 08:54 PM
i love my MS FFB2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

unfortunately they do not make them anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Bearcat99
09-06-2004, 09:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
i love my MS FFB2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
unfortunately they do not make them anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think its great. I use a MSFFB2 and an X45.

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Longjocks
09-06-2004, 11:33 PM
I like mine all up. The important things are all there... precise control, (very) programable. But it's certainly made for big hands. I have big hands but my fingers aren't long and slender enough. The rudder on the throttle and the hats/buttons on the top of the stick are not in comfortable, easy-to-reach positions.

I don't know if it's the drivers, the game or user error, but my rudder doesn't like centering half the time when I release. My old Logitech FFB had a twist stick that worked flawlessly.

It's a mixed bag. What it does, it does well, and for the price it's certainly good. But I wouldn't throw it to the top of the pile until I got my hands on others to compare it.

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GAU-8
09-07-2004, 12:27 AM
i like the feel, and the action. i love the rocker rudder (but i did just purchase CH products rudder though).

it is a nice stick for "AVERAGE" simming.

so far in almost 3 years ive gone thru 3!
i am not hard on them, but it does get used a LOT. quality is not saiteks main priority. here are the problems i have encountered with the 3 i have/had

1.#3 X45 throttle spike.. i cant fly it with jets because rolling up to full power will act like 6 mini throttles... and BOOM.(current)
2.#3 my "fire C" button just went out... no reason.( current)
3.the main trigger internals on X45 #2 "went soft" and didnt let the trigger retract to initial position.
4. throtle on X45 #1 ..for some odd reason when i applied throttle... it also made my plane roll left (no, it was not assigned... ever. it just "happened" one day
5.the hatswitchon #1 broke... the entire face just popped off
6.pinky trigger return spring broke on #2
7. #2 orange "mouse look" button deactivated... no reason
8. #1 A B and "missile launch" buttons stopped working
9.all 3 X45s have developed a slight roll to the left at some point
10.the side cover to the shaft thats on the throtle of #3 FLOPPED OFF. making my throttle have a "twist" action all its own.. GEE...wish i can apply an axis to THAT!(current)
11. #'s 1 AND 2 had rudder problems, the first one, the centering spring broke, and # 2 the "butterfly" itself broke on its internal connecter..and caved in.
12. none of the 3 X45s has EVER centered properly on rudder.. it gets close, and there are workarounds..but it gets tiresome.


#1 i junked.

#2- AMAZINGLY enuff.. i took the stick off, drilled some holes, and swapped it for the stick shifter in my car. lights work, and after some soldering,and majic work.... rolls windows down, and changes stations on my stereo.(loooots of finagling)

#3- im still using... but im upgrading to CH products. they look "my first sony'ish" but after all the reading ive done, these are THE ONES to get, minimalist of complaints from anyone. (but about 100 U.S.D for each piece)... the x 52 doesnt have the rudder rocker (BOOO) and is twist stick..(could have both , and left one as an option for something else)..looks cheasier than the X45. ive learned not to go back to saitek.

(EDIT).. its a shame..because i REALLY like them, they fit me like a glove, and for me, everything is RIGHT where it needs to be... as another poster said, if they made a HEAVY DUTY remake of the X45.. i would be happy... dont get me wrong..its a good stick.. until 6-12 months. but i didnt mind spendin 80 bucks once a year for "fresh gear" .. now its a little tiresome.

[This message was edited by GAU-8 on Mon September 06 2004 at 11:38 PM.]

GR142-Pipper
09-07-2004, 12:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
I plan on purchasing one of these joystick/Throttle systems. But before i do, ifigure i'll get some thoughts from the people who know it best, the Il-2 community. So if you have one, i'd love to hear from you. What do you like dislike, should i buy it, do you love it, anything. Just tell me if you think it's worth the 80 dollars i'll have to shell out.
Thanks guys<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I've been using and X45 for about 18 months now. There's the good news and the bad news. First the good news. The stick is quite good for IL-2/FB and it will give you a good deal of precise control over your aircraft. Now for the bad news. There's only one issue that I have but it's a recurring problem, specifically durability. Any of the better joysticks should last for at least a year of regular use. I can get mine to last about 6-8 months and then mine have had it. How you can tell that it's starting to go is when it requires fairly frequent recalibration before use.

Anyway, I like it enough that I'm not going to change it and I'm willing to pay the price of a periodic new joystick. I would also be willing to pay extra for a heavy duty X45 but it's doubtful Saitek is going to make one. Overall, the X45 is definitely a very good performer and my preference. That's my 2 cents worth.

GR142-Pipper

UB6MEB9
09-07-2004, 12:32 AM
Bought it, loved it. A little lube now and then to stop the stickyness and all is well.

I programmed my throttle backwards.. I pull it towards me for throttle up.. this allows easier access to the rudder rocker and the rest of the switches.

actionhank1786
09-07-2004, 12:45 AM
Alright guys. After reading all this. I think i'm gonna go for it and buy it. It can last me until i decide i need a new one. And for now it sounds like the best alternative.
I can get one later when i have more money to get a real good set. But i think that it definitly beats the Mad Katz Panther DX i'm using now.
Thanks again everyone

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Taylortony
09-07-2004, 01:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UB6MEB9:
Bought it, loved it. A little lube now and then to stop the stickyness and all is well.

I programmed my throttle backwards.. I pull it towards me for throttle up.. this allows easier access to the rudder rocker and the rest of the switches.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you swhould NEVER lube it with any oil, it will attack the plastic, just clean the base and apply a little candle wax then wipe that off

Maj_Death
09-07-2004, 02:05 AM
Its a good stick and well worth the money. My only complaint is the cheap plate the centering spring uses. A little greese every month fixes it though.

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1.JaVA_Hornet
09-07-2004, 04:08 AM
I bought one last week. I love
it more than the microsoft sidew II.

The only thing i didn`t know is that under
your throttle stick is a small screw to
alter the friction.

Further i love this and can`t without it as
the ch pedals and trackir3pro.

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oisink
09-07-2004, 08:55 AM
got one a few weeks back to replace my thrustmaster afterburner, not hugely impressed with it so far but i havent been playing with it much. I've found the stick quiet limp, i can "jiggle" my hand quite a bit on it and not see any great effect, something else which hasnt been mentioned yet is that it has an ugly connector from the back of the stick to the throttle which means you need an extra six inches of desk for it

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Tully__
09-07-2004, 09:20 AM
Best bang for the buck as far as I'm concerned, though quite a few have trougle adapting from a twist stick to the rudder rocker. A good part of its value comes from the vast range of programming options provided by the Saitek driver/profiler software, of even more flexible options available with the 3rd party Dhauzimmer drivers and associated Hazardscript, XDProfile or Biped profiling software.

To further add to the value, IL2/FB happily sees more than one controller so if you have a joystick you're already happy with but want more controls, the X-45 throttle will share your desk an provide a huge increase in programming flexibility without you having to give up your existing stick.

BTW, I've had mine for about 2 years with no reliability problems at all.

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FI.Spitsfire
09-07-2004, 02:16 PM
gdgd.. thanks for the reasurance, just put an order in for one about... oo an hour ago. lol

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El Turo
09-07-2004, 02:28 PM
Tully, you may be the first person I've ever heard say that they've had zero durability/longevity issues with their X45 over that kind of span of time.

You're that guy that bought a Hyundai Excel in the 80's and never had it break down, aren't you!

Hehe..

But seriously.. I loved my X45 except for the stick that developed an untenable amount of center-play slop and had a hat switch begin getting a little bit twitchy (not broken, but getting there) at around the 14-18month mark. I've since bought a CH Fighterstick to replace the X45 stick and threw the X45 stick in my drawer.

Oh, and yeah.. the rocker-rudder sucks. Plan on buying a set of CH Pro Pedals (worth every single penny!) or perhaps wait another month or so for the new X52 with twist-rudder which is a small improvement over the rocker-rudder.

For $80, I think it's worth it just for the throttle though.. I like it better than the CH throttle and it's less expensive to boot!

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MK2aw
09-07-2004, 09:30 PM
I love mine , but i heard the X-52 ( I think that is the name of it) is about to come out. Not sure what the differences are.

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Treesqueak
09-08-2004, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lil_labbit:
The Saitek X-45 HOTAS is great - well eh not 100% -
lol
DON'T GET IT NOW!

_don't get it - period!_

wait till 10/2004 and get the http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm
It will be about the same price...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a COOL looking Joystick, although it has a twist rudder.

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