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nufrancis
07-17-2017, 04:17 AM
Hi Cent Haters,

I think its time to make this poll. Just remembered that we are closing to 3rd season, where Devs promise us to give nerf to cent.

From my observation so far (been playing this game since march), Devs never give hero additional moves or remove their default move, only addin or removin properties from them, for examp Kensei's swift attack and helm splitter where currently cant be interrupted by block, Shinobi where devs slows down his kick, etc.

My point is we could not ask something outside of this, therefore my ideas is lets vote which traits/move of cent that should be nerfed/reduced its properties.

I hate the current cent, but I also agree that we have to be fair in nerfing him. Nerf him too much he will be broken.

My aim is to get attention of the devs to nerf top 2 voted traits.

My personal opinion, Cent's PINing move is top of the list. This move is very destructive for 4v4. Pinning enemy in gangin situation will guaranteed free hit from other teammates, plus can be followed up with KO punch, which can be followed up again by cents KO punish. My idea is simple, just remove the PINing ability, change it to normal stab is enough.

Really apreciate besides voting, you guys also give the reason and ideas.

I will open this poll for 2 weeks.

Looking forward for interesting ideas. Thank you :)

brashtralas
07-17-2017, 05:12 AM
Pinning and knock down. They're easily debilitating in 4s, and integral to his "vortex."

To be honest, I don't like the character at all, but those two things might help.

Mia.Nora
07-17-2017, 07:13 AM
Pinning hands down.

Everything else is reactable in 4v4 settings, while his version is a tremendously stronger version of what other heroes do, in essence it is the same thing with other heroes when it comes to kicks and close quarters melee.

But pinning is straight off ******** since it guarantees 60 damage from Centurion alone, and his allies have 6 seconds to pummel you. It is a direct death sentence that is literally the easiest move to pull off in entire game. It tracks, curves around obstacles, tracks and catches dodges or even rolled away opponents and then ensures Shugo hug grade (or maybe better) CC. On top of that they can very easily make it unblockable.

If I needed an example of broken gameplay mechanics it would be charged heavy with no competition.

kweassa1
07-17-2017, 08:41 AM
Goddarn pins.

vgrimr_J
07-17-2017, 02:33 PM
he needs a lot more stam usage or a lot smaller stamina pool. **** has too much stamina and little stamina usage.

:rolleyes:

great idea to give a hero super fast heavys and huge stamina pool on top of huge stamina drain... why is it taking so long to nerf him you guys found a nerf for shinobi fast af but not for centurion? oh thats right... romans little baby

kbvlcvfkhgc
07-17-2017, 03:41 PM
I'm just so sick and tired of this Centurion Cancer it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they deleted him completely, he's such a cheap *** character that has totally wrecked the 4v4 modes with all these BS spamming unblockables, stamina drains and ****%ng ridiculous 360 tracking on their stabs

it seems UBI just doesn't give a fu#k about the rest of the player-base, it seems like each season they want there to be one totally OP wrecker for all the bandwagon players to just pick up and win with, in S1 it was the PK in S2 its the Centurion and i'm sure it will be the same in S3, they'll finally nerf the Centurion and the new whatever will replace him as the new OP as fu&k angel of death,

Vingrask
07-17-2017, 04:56 PM
Centurion need to be put on the same level as everybody else. His stamina damage is annoying, his stamina consumption is a joke and his guaranteed punished is unfair. The guy is a "melee specialist" in a melee game...

Duel against a Centurion isn't fun anymore, because you know you can't do a mistake. He can win basicaly almost every trade. His pin attack is superior and lead to guaranteed damage. Then you suddenly run OOS and here it comes the boredom of try defend yourself against a huge pressure like no other hero has, risking stay OOS for the rest of the round.

While using my Berserker or the Vakyrie (Shinobi I gave up, he can't win against nobody), I need to work A LOT to damage him, while he can win a match sometimes with 2 combos. I usually challenge Centurion players to use any other hero, where they can't win when they accept. Centurion is made for bad players, and looks like (it's the same situation as Peacekeeper before) Ubi is scared to balance it and lose those who think they are good using a broken character.

Really, everytime I see a Centurion I sigh, try fight "until" run OOS, then drop the controller for the rest of the round. Doesn't worth the effort.

nufrancis
07-18-2017, 02:26 AM
18 votes in less than one day, thx guys :))

Lets make FH better ;)

UbiJurassic
07-18-2017, 02:43 AM
A great thread, nufrancis! We know Centurion is a near and dear problem to many player's hearts and we welcome any and all feedback on him. I'll be sure to make a note of the thread and keep an eye on the results. :)

dragon7jdc
07-18-2017, 08:42 AM
Thats a nice thread man Props. but i have a qes. does his normal or mid charge heavy pins you ? because i know his fully charged heavy does pin you and i can easily dodge that. but since yesterday i was getting het with normal heavy and i was pinned everytime. maybe there was framedrops but it happend everytime all day. so what do you that is ?

My.Insanity
07-18-2017, 10:38 AM
This Hero has too many problems that need to be fixed or nerfed..

1.His Pin attack... which guarantees a 65+ dmg combo.
2.His Stamina drain (which leaves you after 1 parry OOS)
3.His Stamina consume (which is a joke..)
and ofc his ability to completly ignor Hyper Armor or Revenge.

Legacy_Zealot
07-18-2017, 11:22 AM
There I was thinking 'another cent nerf thread' but you've used your noodle and made it into a great post with the polling options. For me its the low stamina usage. He can still have a half bar of stamina when the opponent has had all his drained. But the heavy punch knock down is risky for cent and is easily dodged so I see no issue with that move. Especially since he's average in 1V1:o

Gastgrinder
07-18-2017, 11:47 AM
I miss the point "all of that..."

DrinkinMyStella
07-18-2017, 12:21 PM
Pinning isn't the problem and the Knockdown jab after isn't the problem its the free pouncing heavy that is the problem, the pin combined with the pounce is too much damage so the pin on it own wouldn't don no more dmg than a normal heavy. Instead of the pin with a knock down make its a knockback stun which can be reacted to.

Zwerqi
07-18-2017, 01:10 PM
Yes thank you thank you. So many times i was using revenge just before the cent hit me with his attack and what happend? Nothing. his attack came through i died. he never falls on the ground like every other class!

IesooMI
07-18-2017, 02:06 PM
Make cent viabiale in 1v1 2v2 before you nerf him.

CandleInTheDark
07-18-2017, 04:24 PM
I think the thing that needs looking at, bearing in mind they don't want to break him in 1v1, is stamina usage and maybe how much stamina he takes off of someone. Yes the pin is a big problem in 4v4, the thing is if you take away the guaranteed knockdown or the pounce, that affects him too much in 1v1. If they could find a way to do this only in 4v4 or find a way that no one else can benefit from the pin and knockdown, fair enough, I would definitely say the pin, but outside of that I don't know how you can nerf it in such a way it wouldn't hurt him too much outside of 4v4.

Gastgrinder
07-18-2017, 04:49 PM
Just do not destroy the centurion in 1v1, would be bad if centurion players would be anger.
Then better destroy the playing fun of all other player.
Many players have stop to play or play only against AI because they canīt see this cancer anymore.
Centurion is broken and needs a rework...

nufrancis
07-18-2017, 05:35 PM
Todays Field Report: play vs cent and when I initiate revenge, his pinning keep going through. This clearly need a rework. His normal stab is not UB but still can go through my revenge initiation.

Arekonator
07-18-2017, 05:59 PM
I think the thing that needs looking at, bearing in mind they don't want to break him in 1v1, is stamina usage and maybe how much stamina he takes off of someone. Yes the pin is a big problem in 4v4, the thing is if you take away the guaranteed knockdown or the pounce, that affects him too much in 1v1. If they could find a way to do this only in 4v4 or find a way that no one else can benefit from the pin and knockdown, fair enough, I would definitely say the pin, but outside of that I don't know how you can nerf it in such a way it wouldn't hurt him too much outside of 4v4.

Solution is easy, if you get hit by external attack during the stagger from the pin, the pin gets cancelled in same manner guardbreak does. Doesnt affect his 1v1 in any way, but its no longer guaranteed death when he got any teammate around and you get hit by single heavy.

JibletHunter
07-18-2017, 08:20 PM
Make cent viabiale in 1v1 2v2 before you nerf him.

I'm mediocre and have a 80% win-rate with cent in duels (turtling on pc). . .hes mid-tier if played aggressively and top tier with WL if you turtle because of his highest in game parry punish.

If you don't think hes even "viable" in these modes, the problem is not with cent. . .

It seems like what you meant to say was "I play cent in 4's and never developed any mechanical skill because i rely on his broken mechanics. Now I am mad I lose in duels spamming charged heavies and kicks."

mrmistark
07-18-2017, 08:36 PM
I think he's far more than just a one fix problem. Allow me to explain: in 4v4 the problem is his pin. In 1v1 his problem is that literally only quick heavy (not even close to opponent) into ub heavy pin becomes the only thing anyone does with cent until they are successful. Once they are, you're basically instantly drained of stamina. So literally the problem in 4v4 is the only thing he has to use effectively 1v1.

nufrancis
07-20-2017, 03:42 AM
I just remember. Several times I was killed by cent with his KO punch and sometimes with the triple stamina debuff punch. So his punch can deal damage???

nufrancis
07-25-2017, 07:34 AM
Up up

ChampionRuby50g
07-25-2017, 07:48 AM
I just remember. Several times I was killed by cent with his KO punch and sometimes with the triple stamina debuff punch. So his punch can deal damage???

Yes, his punch and kick deal damage. His second feat Haymaker allows for this.

nufrancis
07-25-2017, 08:03 AM
Yes, his punch and kick deal damage. His second feat Haymaker allows for this.

Thx for the info. I never use cent outside duel. Try to use him first time of release, duel until level 11 (not even rep 1 yet) and I lost interest in him. He is not suited with my style of play.

Horus-31
07-25-2017, 11:11 AM
I've seen a few people write that the Centurion needs to be nerfed in 4v4 in a way that doesn't damage him too much in 1v1. I just would like to point out that the Centurion might be fine in 1v1 at high level, but at low to mid level of skill, he's clearly overrpowered (as I've explained here (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1699239-Just-my-(hopefully-constructive-and-argued)-opinion-on-Centurion?highlight=Horus-31)). So he also needs a nerf for low level players that won't damage him too much for high level players using him.

Within the poll, stamina drain and usage are the top things to nerf i.m.h.o., especially given the changes to OOS that the devs are planning. As I wrote in another thread (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1710995-Big-potential-problems-with-the-defensive-meta-changes?highlight=Horus-31), all stamina draining abilities should be nerfed if they want to implement this more punitive OOS state, but Centurion should also have his stamina usage nerfed. Stamina management needs to be something he has to think about, like every other hero.

It wasn't an option in the poll, but my main concern with him is actually his tracking and how small the dodge windows are. His moves (and especially his unblockables) shouldn't be more difficult to dodge than the moves of any other hero. Adjusting the tracking and dodge window probably won't damage him too much at high level, where players already have crisp dodge timings, but it will help balance him for low to mid level of skill.

The_B0G_
07-25-2017, 02:18 PM
When that defense meta patch comes the Cent is going to be even more OP... dodging to defend against him drains stamina, most of his moves drain stamina, attacking him drains stamina, he's going to wreck people.

vgrimr_J
07-25-2017, 04:54 PM
i would love to see an ACTUAL nerf for centurion. less stamina and more stamina usage for him and less stamina drain.

kbvlcvfkhgc
07-25-2017, 09:17 PM
i would love to see an ACTUAL nerf for centurion. less stamina and more stamina usage for him and less stamina drain.

LOL and UBIwank have just handed him an indirect Buff with these stamina use changes that will penalize everyone but the Centurion,