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LeChuck59
03-03-2004, 02:38 PM
What do you all think? I don't know enough about the plane, or any plane for that matter, to expect it to fly one way or another, but I'm thrilled with the spit.

It's got superb firepower, rolls well, turns even better, but doesn't feel uber. Mabye it's just because it hasn't as yet been labelled as such, but I don't feel like I'm cheating the way I do in an La7 or Yak3.

I also was wondering if and how the CW models differ from the standard models aside from the improved turn rate.

LeChuck59
03-03-2004, 02:38 PM
What do you all think? I don't know enough about the plane, or any plane for that matter, to expect it to fly one way or another, but I'm thrilled with the spit.

It's got superb firepower, rolls well, turns even better, but doesn't feel uber. Mabye it's just because it hasn't as yet been labelled as such, but I don't feel like I'm cheating the way I do in an La7 or Yak3.

I also was wondering if and how the CW models differ from the standard models aside from the improved turn rate.

Hunde_3.JG51
03-03-2004, 02:42 PM
Quick impression;

-roll is decent
-firepower is very good
-turn is incredible, like a Yak or Zero.
-disappointed with cockpit, external model looks very nice.

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BuzzU
03-03-2004, 02:44 PM
It feels like a Yak. I'm not sure it's right, but that's what we have.

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LeChuck59
03-03-2004, 03:15 PM
As a noob (I've only been playing since Christmas), I've spent most of my time practicing in a Yak3, and I don't think they feel the same. I think the Spit's more stable than a Yak, at least in low speed maneuvering.

biggs222
03-03-2004, 03:18 PM
thats great to hear!!

does the non clipped spit turn better then teh clipped btw?

FW190fan
03-03-2004, 03:20 PM
I think the Spit is alot easier to stall than a Yak-3 or 9.

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LeChuck59
03-03-2004, 03:23 PM
As I said in my original post, yes the CW spit turns better. I'd still like to know if there are any other differences. I imagine there must be, though I haven't noticed any.

VW-IceFire
03-03-2004, 03:23 PM
I imagined the Spitfire would be a bit like a Yak. The Yak's are somewhat similar to the Spitfire in design and in use and while they aren't the same plane they certainly share characteristics.

I don't have AEP yet...but I'm sure it will be fun.

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Precog
03-03-2004, 04:31 PM
I think most people will be pleased with the Spitfire, except for the roll-rate on the clipped wing versions where i didnt notice muc difference.

The Spit V is far from Uber. It has a moderate roll-rate and avergage top speed , howerver, its turn-rate appears to be very good and will be its strongest assit. Not sure about climb rate as i have no data to compare it with.

It is however very easy to fly as its almost impossible to stall, stability at high speed seems good and the cockpit nice.

If you can handle yourself with the MkV in FB, then it will be a dream come true when the upcoming MkIX is released with its improved top speed, climb-rate and firepower.

Overall, One and three-quater thumbs up :)

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BuzzU
03-03-2004, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by FW190fan:
I think the Spit is alot easier to stall than a Yak-3 or 9.

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You stalled the Spit? You stall the Yaks?

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blabla0001
03-03-2004, 04:36 PM
"You stalled the Spit? You stall the Yaks?"

I was thinking the same thing.

3 days ago I wanted to teach a newbie in my Squadron how to recover from a flat spin but it took me 20 minutes to get into one. lol

Magister__Ludi
03-03-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Precog:
I think most people will be pleased with the Spitfire, except for the roll-rate on the clipped wing versions where i didnt notice muc difference.

The Spit V is far from Uber. It has a moderate roll-rate and avergage top speed , howerver, its turn-rate appears to be very good and will be its strongest assit. Not sure about climb rate as i have no data to compare it with.

It is however very easy to fly as its almost impossible to stall, stability at high speed seems good and the cockpit nice.

If you can handle yourself with the MkV in FB, then it will be a dream come true when the upcoming MkIX is released with its improved top speed, climb-rate and firepower.

Overall, One and three-quater thumbs up :)

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Climb rate for SpitV was 3200fpm at sea level. Test it, I'm very curious. Also it should not outturn Yak 9 (the regular '43 version), which historically was the best turning russian plane, after the biplanes - 18 sec turn time at sea level (not in FB though, La7, Yak3 will outturn it).

Precog
03-03-2004, 05:00 PM
Ok ... a quick 5 minute test with the Spit Mk5 1941 version, 100% fuel, 100% power at 1000ft.

Initial climb rate ~ 3000ft/min
Level speed ~ 410

Engine doesnt appear to overheat at 100% power wit radiator closed.

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biggs222
03-03-2004, 05:06 PM
ok thanks for th info

does the spit have WEP or just 110% throttle?

and do their engines cut out when in Neg G?

flockzap
03-03-2004, 05:06 PM
Check this site
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spittest.html

Gibbage1
03-03-2004, 05:08 PM
Well the Spit wont stall in snap manuvers, but if you keep pulling in a tight turn, the Spit will stall out before the Yak with 1 notch of flaps. So the Spits are not good in extended combat manuvers as somethings with flaps or slats. So you better peg the Yak fast before it takes you into a low and slow fight.

Precog
03-03-2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by biggs222:
ok thanks for th info

does the spit have WEP or just 110% throttle?

and do their engines cut out when in Neg G?

107% throttle I recall seeing plus WEP.

Engines do not cut out.

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biggs222
03-03-2004, 05:27 PM
107%!!!! agh the spit has been cheated out of 3% throttle!!!! TRAVESTY!!!! *wink*

but thats odd that the clipped out truns better then the non clipped. the normal wing has better wing loading so it should turn better, right?

Osirisx9
03-03-2004, 05:28 PM
Have any of you who have the AEP fought against the Zeros in the spit. I especially want to know how it did against the A6M5 because I will be flying that version of the zero. I'm also looking foward to flying the spit. For some of us who live in NYC the AEP is not in too many stores. I would have to drive all the way to Mount Vernon just to get a copy at Best Buy. I dont want to spend two hours in traffic just for some kid to beat me to it. Gamestop dropped the ball. The store In the Mall a stones through away from me said that I would have been able to get my copy this morning, but for some reason the shipment got screwed. Thanx in advance for your replies

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Precog
03-03-2004, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by biggs222:
107%!!!! agh the spit has been cheated out of 3% throttle!!!! TRAVESTY!!!! *wink*

but thats odd that the clipped out truns better then the non clipped. the normal wing has better wing loading so it should turn better, right?

It might be the calibration of my joystick ;)

ITs odd to me too .. I guess drag may be less giving the clipped wing better sustained turn performance down low. I think the turn-rates are pretty similar regardless, the normal wing out-turning it at higher altitudes, although i havent tested this in FB.

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Gibbage1
03-03-2004, 05:32 PM
The Zero will turn inside a Spit, but the Zero will bleed E more rappidly. It will be a close fight. The winner of it will be the better pilot. A6M2's are very flamable ;)

ucanfly
03-03-2004, 05:34 PM
The elliptical wing spit should roll slower than Hurricane, shouldn't it?

biggs222
03-03-2004, 05:35 PM
the 4 303s dont do crap do they. there just there to make more flashes and scare the enemy right? hahaha

blabla0001
03-03-2004, 05:40 PM
"The elliptical wing spit should roll slower than Hurricane, shouldn't it?"

Why should it roll slower?

The roll rate of the Spitfires where better then a Hurricane.

Gibbage1
03-03-2004, 05:40 PM
Well against Zero's and 109's, they do a "bang up job" but anything else, you may as well try to spit on them.

blabla0001
03-03-2004, 05:43 PM
Lucky we have 6 seconds of dual 20mm Hispano loving to back up the .303 guns.

biggs222
03-03-2004, 05:45 PM
wow only 6 seconds... better hone up on my aiming.

blabla0001
03-03-2004, 05:49 PM
I usually only need one second of cannon fire to down a plane and I never spray and pray.

Lucky the MKIX will have 12 seconds of dual 20mm loving to back up the dual 12.7mm. hehehe.

biggs222
03-03-2004, 05:51 PM
that right 12 second sounds about right for the mkIX..and 2 50cals...but lets not get ahead of ourselves foucus on the mkV heeheehee

ucanfly
03-03-2004, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
"The elliptical wing spit should roll slower than Hurricane, shouldn't it?"

Why should it roll slower?

The roll rate of the Spitfires where better then a Hurricane.

I thought I had read a pilot account comparing Spitfire and Hurri (pros and cons). I could have remebered it wrong but thought pilot said that Hurri out rolled Spit , but Spit out turned Hurri. Spits of course could out dive and out climb Hurris as well, but Hurris had more flexible armament due to thicker wings, whereas Spits could get progressively better powerplants. Article went on about why the develeloped clipped wing spits. etc... It was interesting. Anyway., little I've read from there and other sources led to believe Spit was not a great roller.

EPP-Gibbs
03-03-2004, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by LeChuck59:
As I said in my original post, yes the CW spit turns better. I'd still like to know if there are any other differences. I imagine there must be, though I haven't noticed any.

Clipped wing Spit rolled better than standard wing at low to medium alt. Don't think it turned any better though. Don't know about the FB modelling either because we haven't got it in the UK yet.

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PriK
03-03-2004, 06:00 PM
Just took the '41 spit out against 4 ace F2's and was able to outclimb and out turn them, but of course they are only AI so that doesn't mean all that much. The roll rate was better than I expected and the .303's don't do much however with careful conservation of ammo (like you should always do anyway) I had just enough to down all four.

Somehow those Hispano's don't seem as powerful as they did on the Hurricane but like I said I've only taken the spit out once so far so that's just an early impression.

I noticed it was hard to stall and a very, very forgiving plane. A real joy to fly I must say but it's too bad that within a week it will be labeled as the n00b plane.

It's like the jack of all trades plane with a decent enough view out back to boot.

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Precog
03-03-2004, 06:03 PM
From initial impression, the roll rate of the Spit in FB is better than the hurricane. However, I didnt notice that much difference with the clipped-wing version. Might do a quick test with to see what the difference is, if any.

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blabla0001
03-03-2004, 06:06 PM
"Somehow those Hispano's don't seem as powerful as they did on the Hurricane but like I said I've only taken the spit out once so far so that's just an early impression"

Maybe because the Hurricane IIc has 4 Hispano's instead of 2? ;)

Scragbat
03-03-2004, 06:12 PM
I have a lovely picture of a Spitfire. I even have some desktop wallpapers. But I don't have it in FB :(

I'm in the UK and we are spitless as yet.
I feel like the kid who can't get in the candy store!
I'll keep dreaming as you keep the comments coming :)

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EPP-Gibbs
03-03-2004, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by PriK:
Just took the '41 spit out against 4 ace F2's and was able to outclimb and out turn them, but of course they are only AI so that doesn't mean all that much. The roll rate was better than I expected and the .303's don't do much however with careful conservation of ammo (like you should always do anyway) I had just enough to down all four.

Somehow those Hispano's don't seem as powerful as they did on the Hurricane but like I said I've only taken the spit out once so far so that's just an early impression.

I noticed it was hard to stall and a very, very forgiving plane. A real joy to fly I must say but it's too bad that within a week it will be labeled as the n00b plane.

It's like the jack of all trades plane with a decent enough view out back to boot.

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Re Hispano power, you're comparing the effect of two against four. It's not the power, it's the quantity.

Your description of the flight characteristics are pretty much what the real pilots said about it at the time. It WAS a joy to fly, and it was easy and forgiving. People attributed to it almost telepathic response to controls. You could 'think' it through turns, etc.

The washout built into the wings meant you had warning of an impending stall in the form of a judder that could be felt through the airframe, as the inner wing stalled but the outer wing kept flying. Good pilots could hold a Spit on this judder in a very tight turn.

Low speed handling characteristics were very good, and the stall was benign and easy to recover.

The Achilles heel which afflicted the early marks was high speed roll rate which was poor, wih controls becoming very heavy. High speed means 400mph or more in a dive.

The problem was traced to the fabric covering on the ailerons. Once metal skinned ailerons were fitted, the roll rate and and control feel were much improved. The 109 suffered exactly the same problem.

Also, the engine cut under negative G was sorted out by the advent of the MkV. Firstly, by a modification to the carburettor, the fitting of a fuel flow restrictor(a rubber ring called Miss Schilling's Orifice), and later by the fitting of a Stromberg carb that was immune to the problem.

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Precog
03-03-2004, 06:22 PM
OK ... bit of testing on the roll rate.

For the Standard Spit, clipped Spit, and hurricane respectively, the time to complete one 360 degree roll at around 270km/h at 1000ft were 3.5,3, and 4.5 seconds respectively.

At around 370km/h, the times were 4.5,3.5 and 5 respectively.

Conclusion, Spit rolls much better than the Hurricane, especially at higher speeds. Likewise, the roll-rate of the clipped version is slightly better than the standard version at low speeds, but much better at higher speeds.

I still prefer the standard Spit, the clipped winged Spit just doesn't look the part :)

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biggs222
03-03-2004, 07:19 PM
umm... the CW spit should roll much faster then that on the charts it looks comparable to the FWs 3 seconds is not comarable at all.

but i like the looks of teh eliptical wing spit anyway hahaha

MandMs
03-03-2004, 09:59 PM
Gibbs it was not a rubber ring but made of metal simualr to a regular washer.

Did we get a M motor Spit V?

Maximum rate of climb at 3850 ft. - 4270 ft/min.
Maximum rate of climb at 10,000 ft. - 3800 ft/min.
Maximum rate of climb at 20,000 ft. - 2320 ft/min.



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Stalker58
03-04-2004, 06:05 AM
Yak 9 outturning Spit? Spit Km. V had wingload only 136 km/sqm no single, ther was only afew single deckers able to outturn Spit Mk. V (A5M,A6M,P11 comes to my mind), but Yak 9?

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

EPP-Gibbs
03-04-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by MandMs:
Gibbs it was not a rubber ring but made of metal simualr to a regular washer.

Did we get a M motor Spit V?

Maximum rate of climb at 3850 ft. - 4270 ft/min.
Maximum rate of climb at 10,000 ft. - 3800 ft/min.
Maximum rate of climb at 20,000 ft. - 2320 ft/min.



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Metal washer? I stand corrected, sir. At least until I check it out in one of my Spitfire reference books which are currently in boxes while I redecorate our living room ;)

..and then I'll probably find you are still right! :)

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