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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 03:47 AM
Rifleman75 slipped this statement in a post earlier..

"i think the planes should be released as they are
- finished".


You know,this crazy concept ain`t bad.We don`t make the decisions here but wanted to know what some of ya think.I see many pros to this but no viable cons yet,please help me.

Smaller downloads
Receive only the planes you want.
Better experience receiving one or two planes at a time
no overkill after a long wait.
Fixes not as big of a deal,less tension in here and a better continuous active community.
ect.,ect.,

Im excitied about Oleg`s upcoming free addon,be sure..
but must finished planes sit on the shelf?

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 03:47 AM
Rifleman75 slipped this statement in a post earlier..

"i think the planes should be released as they are
- finished".


You know,this crazy concept ain`t bad.We don`t make the decisions here but wanted to know what some of ya think.I see many pros to this but no viable cons yet,please help me.

Smaller downloads
Receive only the planes you want.
Better experience receiving one or two planes at a time
no overkill after a long wait.
Fixes not as big of a deal,less tension in here and a better continuous active community.
ect.,ect.,

Im excitied about Oleg`s upcoming free addon,be sure..
but must finished planes sit on the shelf?

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:44 PM
bump, sure some of ya think similar.

Taz does,he is wondering where the hell is his P-51.Evidently there is a finished model of this.Wouldnt you like to open the home page and see it for download now.
Release that bird why dont you !?

Eventually i hope this precedure /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:52 PM
Yes, I see few significant reasons why some aircraft that are ready now should be held back. There may be problems with having too many individual releases of separate aircraft, but now, I understand that several are ready. Release those and then let us know which a/c may next be available and when. Sounds like a good idea to me as well. Good for the customers, good for relations.


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:57 PM
Releasing them in dribs and drabs would make online
compatibility a nightmare. I don't know what mechanism
FB uses to assess whether add ons are authorised, but
maybe that would also be a pain with separate add ons.
I can see the good sides of releasing them as they are
finished, but also the bad side. I think we should wait
for the official non-beta patch first, though. If the
team is working on add ons and patches at the same time
at the moment, then the fixes to current issues will
probably get delayed.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:57 PM
Wouldn't you rather the new planes come out with a new map or maybe as a package like "The American AVG in China"? They must be planning something like that with the P-40 already fixed, the P-51 & the B-25 coming with 2 Japanese fighters to go against. I'd rather wait see.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:58 PM
Ja, you'r somehow right.... just yesterday I was thinking about what nightmare will be for me to download that addon, wich for sure will have at least 70 megs, on my poor 56k.
Your iddea would be good. IMO. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif , but as you said, we don't have the decisin here...
Afterall would be aggod strategy for Ubi to keep us quiet by giving us everything slow and steady, so we can't wihne that much.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 11:13 PM
Heh

Not too slowly.

The planes that are ready now ...

and then some every few months.


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 11:25 PM
finally i had a idea people like, lol

good things i see about it

1.keeps us busy, dont have to wait so long for something
2.smaller download sizes
3.dont have to wait for planes that are allready done

im sure there is more to just cant think right now....

about compatibility online, they could be like mini patches or something, like the first one could make the game 1.11 and the next one could be 1.12, and so on, that seems like it would work

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 11:32 PM
Ppl HERE liked your ideea, wich IMO, is great, but what ppl from UBI will thing tough?
This should enable FB to be more like MS Flight sim, wich also had this kind of "addons" IIRC.

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 12:15 AM
AaronGT wrote:
- Releasing them in dribs and drabs would make online
- compatibility a nightmare. I don't know what
- mechanism
- FB uses to assess whether add ons are authorised,
- but
- maybe that would also be a pain with separate add
- ons.
- I can see the good sides of releasing them as they
- are
- finished, but also the bad side. I think we should
- wait
- for the official non-beta patch first, though. If
- the
- team is working on add ons and patches at the same
- time
- at the moment, then the fixes to current issues will
- probably get delayed.

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See,the current P-51 is an example.Sure the upcoming addon and final patch is being worked on,will be release "one great day" but i am refering to a future system that should be atleast tried.

I dont see compatibiliy as a nightmare.Maddox/Ubi is still in control of code,ect.Adaptation
Also,if one plane was released(just for example)... fixes for the previous comes with the next and so on.

Third party developers would also get the attention to their work that is deserved,is that too much to ask?

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 12:33 AM
All the new planes we've gotten in the past had to be integrated into the campaign system, QMB, FMB, online maps, etc. There is much more involved than just releasing the plane. It's probably easier to do several at a time.

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 02:58 AM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 03:00 AM
Rifleman75 wrote:
- bump
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If you say so...


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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 03:08 AM
In regards to making little patches, 1.11 1.12 and so on, there is a risk and I'll sum it up in 3 words..........

"Dogfight not Installed"

how's another wave of the "Dogfight not Installed" problem sound...... please no, it seems the number of affected ppl is finally starting to drop.... not again....please no........

but i can see the point of the 56kers. I was once 1 of them poorly treated gamers lumbering along. the old sturmovik patches were a night long affair. But then making heaps of little patches would also mean more work.

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 05:01 AM
I feel for the 56kers also,i am not one of them.I have fast service.

After we get the final of this patch,i dont see any major physics downloads on the horizon but if there is than so be it.



Weather_Man wrote:
- All the new planes we've gotten in the past had to
- be integrated into the campaign system, QMB, FMB,
- online maps, etc. There is much more involved than
- just releasing the plane. It's probably easier to do
- several at a time.

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A few planes at a time is cool,but you know to maintain having the best sim in the world with the best customer support isnt going to be an easy job. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 05:23 AM
lazio5 wrote:
- Smaller downloads

True, but more release work on thier side

- Receive only the planes you want.

This aint warbirds where you can just use the F4U cockpit.. Think of the online nightmare.. "Oh Ill join that game.. Oh dang, cant, they using an AC I dont have"

- Better experience receiving one or two planes at a
- time no overkill after a long wait.

Mark my words, when we get the update that only includes the P51 you will see and hear a buch of folks whine about only getting one.

- Fixes not as big of a deal,

Why? A fix need work.. So, if they only release one or two instead of five that means they wouldnt have to fix things?

- less tension in here

For us.. but more work for them.

- and a better continuous active community.

LOL! Oh.. sorry, you were serious? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- ect.,ect.,

Emmm Hmmm Emmm Hmmmmm


- Im excitied about Oleg`s upcoming free addon,be
- sure.. but must finished planes sit on the shelf?

Mabye Henry Ford method dont work here. They aint cranking out the same thing over. Each is a little different.



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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 06:59 AM
[Receive only the planes you want]

tagert wrote:
- This aint warbirds where you can just use the F4U
- cockpit.. Think of the online nightmare.. "Oh Ill
- join that game.. Oh dang, cant, they using an AC I
- dont have"

`I think your exaggerating.If you want to fly online with that plane download it.Ive heard people complain that they get planes in previous patches they dont want sometimes. Actually i dont understand this myself,ive always wanted to try every plane.Maybe someone with 56k really wouldnt have bothered downloading the BI-1 if given the option."Choice",just another good side effect.

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[Better experience receiving one or two planes at a
time no overkill after a long wait.]

tagert wrote:
- Mark my words, when we get the update that only
- includes the P51 you will see and hear a buch of
- folks whine about only getting one.

`Im not refering to getting a plane with every Friday Update but after downloading a plane or two every month or so,alot of people will like this.The "one" P-51 is just an example.

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[Fixes not as big of a deal,]

tagert wrote:
- Why? A fix need work.. So, if they only release one
- or two instead of five that means they wouldnt have
- to fix things?

`I was talking about us.It wont be as big of a deal to us if we get fixes in a download for previous planes if needed.
Thats why they said this patch isnt the final and this is an open-beta like CS 1.6.... they didnt want us to freak after waiting so loooong.

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[and a better continuous active community.]

tagert wrote:
- LOL! Oh.. sorry, you were serious?

Yes.Do you remember how long its been since this game itself came of the shelf?