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psycoderek
01-12-2004, 04:46 PM
Hi Everybody,
I am a total ground hog. I have just installed IL2 and boy is this going to take some practice. So far i got off the ground made it to my first combat sight had a shoot and stalled on the turn THREE times. Any advice to combat the dreaded stall disease. Or is it just a lot of free flight practice to begin with. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also what's the secret for getting out of a stall?????

Thanks Guys and Gals.

psycoderek
01-12-2004, 04:46 PM
Hi Everybody,
I am a total ground hog. I have just installed IL2 and boy is this going to take some practice. So far i got off the ground made it to my first combat sight had a shoot and stalled on the turn THREE times. Any advice to combat the dreaded stall disease. Or is it just a lot of free flight practice to begin with. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also what's the secret for getting out of a stall?????

Thanks Guys and Gals.

Zeus-cat
01-12-2004, 05:18 PM
I recommend the IL-2 series 1 or 2. Very forgiving airplane as far as stalls are concerned (big wings). Good plane to learn the ropes on. I started with it and can now fly most planes reasonably well. It is well armored, has large ammo loads and sturdy landing gear. You can learn energy conservation and all the other flight essentials with this plane before you move on to planes like the 109 or 190.

Second thing - practice, practice, practice.

Third thing - go to mudmovers for some good info on how to fly.

Fourth thing - practice, practice, practice. This is one accurate simulation as far as all of the physics of flying an airplane goes. Push your throttle to 100% and your plane will turn due to the torque. It will also climb due to the increase in lift. You can control a plane this way (barely) even if you lose your rudder and elevators.

Have fun

Zeus-cat

Zeus-cat
01-12-2004, 05:27 PM
Missed this one the first time.

"Also what's the secret for getting out of a stall?????"

Don't get into one - seriously. Stalls should be avoided as they are very unpredictable. If you do get into one, get your nose down and try to build up speed. Once the plane is moving at sufficient speed pull up. If you don't have air moving over the control surfaces you can't do anything except go along for the ride.

If you are in a flat spin, odds are you are not getting out of it. Bail. Learn the basics before you try getting out of this one. It is possible, but it is an advanced move.

Zeus-cat

NTESLA
01-12-2004, 05:31 PM
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NegativeGee
01-12-2004, 06:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by psycoderek:
Hi Everybody,
I am a total ground hog. I have just installed IL2 and boy is this going to take some practice. So far i got off the ground made it to my first combat sight had a shoot and stalled on the turn THREE times. Any advice to combat the dreaded stall disease. Or is it just a lot of free flight practice to begin with. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also what's the secret for getting out of a stall?????

Thanks Guys and Gals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With regard to the stalls, try to be gradual with applying stick forces for a manuvoeur, avoid sudden yanks on the stick, as doing so can stall a plane regardless of your speed.

If you get into a stall, relax your use of the planes controls, and allow it recover before you use the controls again. This is maybe not the way to always do it, but it is handy when you are starting out..... it also helps to show how the plane behaves in a stall, and to learn how to react.

Above all... what Zeus-cat said... practice!

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MB_Avro
01-12-2004, 06:35 PM
The best advice I can give....

Get out of here before it takes over your life...

Maybe this helps.
MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
01-12-2004, 06:42 PM
First of all...welcome to IL-2! You've come to the right place for all your informational needs.

I second Zeus-cat's and NegativeGee's advice.

And...if your stall puts you into a spin, push the stick forward and use opposite rudder. This technique 'usually' works. (Of course you need enough height to accomplish this. If you below 1000M.....use Ctrl+E!)

BTW-practice, practice, practice!

Good Luck!



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VW-IceFire
01-12-2004, 07:31 PM
A couple of things:

- be light but firm on the stick
- stalls happen more often when you're at slow speed but they can happen at high speed
- when you stall your airplane ceases to be generating sufficient lift or the plane is generating lift asymetrically so its not balanced
- if you get into a flat spin, try and apply opposite rudder and get the airplane to nose down
- if you stall near the ground recovery is almost impossible (sometimes you get lucky)

Lots of practice...but even the best pilots stall out...just much more rarely.

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aerick2
01-12-2004, 07:46 PM
Probably the most important factor in avoiding stalling is FLAPS! Just a touch of flaps in a turn greatly reduces tendancy to stall, and reduces turn radius slightly. This is because the flaps change the way air flows across your wing-- the nose is forced up slightly and stall speed is reduced.

SUPERAEREO
01-13-2004, 02:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MB_Avro:
The best advice I can give....

Get out of here before it takes over your life...

Maybe this helps.
MB_Avro<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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ELEM
01-13-2004, 03:24 AM
All of the above except what was said about Flaps. That is just nonsense, Flaps are not used in a turn. But in addition to the above go into "Hardware setup" and tweak the joystick axis settings. You can dramatically reduce sensitvity with some experimentation here.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

SUPERAEREO
01-13-2004, 05:14 AM
Just bear in mind that once you get better at flying you might want to change back the stick's sensitivity to have more response, especially if you play online against human opponents.

But the more you fly the easier it becomes, and the game has enough options and features to keep you entertained even if you crash all the time: it did it for me... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

aerick2
01-13-2004, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
All of the above except what was said about Flaps. That is just nonsense, Flaps are not used in a turn.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nonsense? Have you tried it? It makes a HUGE difference to lower your flaps slightly in a turn-- It reduces your tendancy to stall and allows you to turn more tightly.

Zeus-cat
01-13-2004, 09:40 PM
I agree with aerick2. Flaps can make a big difference if used properly. They can be a disaster if used improperly too. Flaps increase drag significantly and will bleed energy from your aircraft. You must raise them when not turning sharply.

They are also useful when you have nice big hole in your wing. I've noticed they tend to stabilize the plane in these situations.

Zeus-cat

Bull-Dog.
01-14-2004, 06:08 AM
I was the King of Stalls when I flew early IL2 P39s.
My advice is: Try not to stall by not jerking back on the stick. Adjusting your joysticks profile can help with this.
I used to deliberatly try to stall to explore the A/Cs stall characteristics.
When you get to Know your A/C you will see, hear little hints to warn you that a stall is imminent. Easing off the stick at this point will prevent the spin.
If you react quickly by pushing to stick forward just as the spin starts you will recover.
once in a spin (don`t panic) throttle back, centre the stick and apply rudder oposite to rotation.
On recoving from the spin (If time allows) don`t pull back the stick right away to prevent loosing it again.

Hope this helps

Bull-Dog.

Piaggio108
01-15-2004, 07:01 PM
Well, as for the stall, If it is a normal stall just push the stick forward, pick up some speed. That should do it. If your plane is in a spin with one wing dipping crazily, use the rudder to straighten it out and stop the spining, then pick up speed and pull up. It works for me.