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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:10 PM
How can anyone fly german planes? If they are from the same period, the russian planes are superior, if you exclude the Me-262.

If they are not flown by a well coordinated team, they are sitting ducks.

The only thing that they are good at is diving down on you but that is easily avoide by some hard turns in the right moment. They turn bad, are weak and poorly armed.

There are some very good german pilots who are really lethal but the most of them are dead meat.

Please Oleg make the germans plane better because it is mostly like stealing candy from a children to dogfight them.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:10 PM
How can anyone fly german planes? If they are from the same period, the russian planes are superior, if you exclude the Me-262.

If they are not flown by a well coordinated team, they are sitting ducks.

The only thing that they are good at is diving down on you but that is easily avoide by some hard turns in the right moment. They turn bad, are weak and poorly armed.

There are some very good german pilots who are really lethal but the most of them are dead meat.

Please Oleg make the germans plane better because it is mostly like stealing candy from a children to dogfight them.

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 09:12 PM
Yeah! Whos with me?!?

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:05 PM
Poorly armed? Hmm, you must learn to shoot!


really! the Mk-108 is very deadly!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:16 PM
mensjikov sounds like a LA7 pilot who got beat up by a very good 109 pilot... most LA pilots that i notice when i play go right after the german planes first, especially 109s thinking they are really easy prey, ya sure some LW pilots try to turn fight, but the good ones just lure in the LA pilots and whoop up on them... i have seen quite a few guys do this...

weak? 109s are kinda undermodelled in damage, and only reason they are so catchable is they overheat so fast... 190s are strong, will be toned down a bit but still good..

weakly armed???????? omg.. the MK108 with 1-2 good shots will knock down any properly modded plane in the game.. i myself are getting rather good getting within 100m and one trigger pull 1-2 shells and they are gone..

XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:27 PM
I've always loved the German planes and in fact have shot down quite a few of the "uber" Laggs and Yaks, and like Chuck Yeager told me in his game a few years back..."It's the man, not the machine" probably after a 109 whooped my butt while flying a Mustang /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:29 PM
German planes take a little know how. Lean to fly them and they are absolutely deadly especially with a good wingman. They are even superior in the early years. Try flying F4's and G2's against Yak 1's, '41 Lagg 3's and Mig 3's its a real turkey shoot. I understand how you can get that impression though everyone gets it when they start flying.

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XyZspineZyX
11-06-2003, 10:58 PM
Lunix wrote:
- German planes take a little know how. Lean to fly
- them and they are absolutely deadly especially with
- a good wingman. They are even superior in the early
- years. Try flying F4's and G2's against Yak 1's, '41
- Lagg 3's and Mig 3's its a real turkey shoot. I
- understand how you can get that impression though
- everyone gets it when they start flying.

You are right, but to put the Yak1,1b in this row..??? it&#180;s as good as a G2- same leavel climbs bit worse but...
A good flown Yak1 is deadly, once at your 6 you are real in troubles..

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 12:22 AM
troll feeding tbh

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 03:48 AM
obviously you have never flwon a 190.

A smart 190 pilot beats any russian pilot ANY DAY!!

if you exclude the B1-1, its about the only thing the ruskies have that can spoil a hit and run.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 09:15 AM
I dunno I fly 109's on full real, and everything else seems just like an easy target.

109's don't have to turn, and doing those hard turns against a 109's boom n zoom attack is suicide.

Here's what happens when I fly 9 times out of 10. I'm cruising along at nose bleed altitudes when I spot a rusky down below. I then roll in for the attack now 1 of 2 things happens. He either doesn't see me coming in, and winds up a fireball. Or he does, and tries hard evasive manuevers.
As soon as he breaks into a hard turn I abort the dive, and go into a vertical climb. I get maximum altitude back into a hammerhead, and come down on him again.
Whats his option? You guessed it hard evasive turn.

Needless to say as this goes on he bleeds off his speed, and altitude while I'm either variably at maximum speed, or way above him. He can't run from me so he is left with one option. He must wait for me to dive again, and try a suicide climb to get me on my pass.

Given I've been taken out like that, but usually it just ends up in 2 planes going down or me limping away. Yet if he doesn't time it right he finds himself in a stall while I'm still out of his guns range. At least at a good enough distance where he can't accurately fire at me. Hanging in the air like that he might as well pull out a pistol, and shoot himself in the skull.


Or flip the book around, and I find myself in a bad situation. No wingmen, no altitude advantage, and he's on my 6 o'clock. No problem close the radiator, and go to 90% power. Dive hard to 700km/h, and level out. Most russian planes cannot safely dive with me at that speed, and even if they do they will not be able to pace me when I level.

The 109 will bleed the speed off slowly, and I'll use only mild non-energy bleeding evasive manuevers to dodge his guns.

Of course a good russian plane pilot will know how to deal with that problem. It still leaves him hanging out behind, and above me trying to get a clean shot. Typically another 109 will arrive on scene, and now the russian plane has lost his altitude chasing me down trying to keep up, and will be bounced.

A lot of it's more teamwork than anything. Such as 1 I-16 is a sitting duck against a decent 109 pilot. 2 I-16's flying the right way can mean big trouble.

Also there's no way anyone can say 109's lack firepower. I've watched too many russian aircraft explode in my gunsights to believe that. I don't mean flame, and crash or anything like that. I'm talking about "Great balls of Fire." man oh man nothing is more satisfying than that in my book.

I've done it in 109's that did not have a mk108 cannon also.

I'm not knocking russian planes. A well flown 109 is a deadly and capable aircraft. A poorly flown or improperly flown 109 is a sitting duck. Where even a poorly flown russian plane typically has a better chance.

Most new 109 pilots make some fundamental errors. The first is trying to turn fight. That is forbidden except for a few occasions.
The next is being forced into a turn fight because they cannot hit in the boom n zoom. That's a pilot skill problem if you cannot shoot the 109 is not your bird.

The next is trying to turn in the boom n zoom. Even I've done this and it took awhile to break myself of the habit. You dive in on a plane, and he banks away hard. You first instinct is to crank it around in behind him.
The 109 turns really well at high speeds, but you shortly discover the error as typically you bleed off your speed at about the same time you over shoot the target. Now he's on your six, and your out of speed.

Most people simply don't have the patience to make 3 or 4 boom n zoom attacks without firing a shot until the russian plane makes a mistake. Or does something drastic like climbing up into your guns.

Someone said it along time ago "The 109 is a thinking mans aircraft."

If you like to fly by the seat of your pants its the wrong plane for you. However if your mind works like a chess game, and you can see two or three moves ahead of them your gold in a 109.

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 06:51 PM
Yes that is just what I mean, the german pilots have to try and try to get just the right moment, which seldom occurs. While he is trying to get the right position and angle we shoot their bombers an masse.

And a attentive pilot hit him during hes effortles attempt to get the only moment for victory.

95% of all german pilots dont master this and get shoot down just as their bombers are.

I fly most coop-missions and to fight with german planes are like shooting rats in a barrel.

Sometimes just for the fun of it, I take a kill position above and behind so the german plane tries so hard to get out that he crashes. A kill without using ammo. Sorry that I wont get the score for it.

All pilots who dont are masocist or want to comit suicide fly russian planes. If it was real, I am very sure of what plane I would use.

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 07:27 PM
The late war German fighters are completely unsuited to bomber escort; they were designed explicitly to knock down enemy bombers. If you are fighting 109's that are flying escort missions, that explains your problems right there.

Now turn it around, can you defend a bomber flight against an attack from properly flown 109's or 190's? That is far less likely. The 109's climb faster, dive faster, and the Mk108 will knock down most bombers with only 2 or 3 rounds. Using fairly basic vertical manuvers, I've been able to knock down an entire four ship flight of Pe-8's in only two or three minutes past the initial closure, using the 190 and Mk108's. That's just not enough time for escort fighters to intercept. Il-2's can survive a bit longer, mostly because they are harder to hit, but they are also faster than the heavies, so I can take down two or more in a single pass, and without having to bring the Mk108's along.

Now if you want to fight escort fighters, take on the USAAF aircraft. They may not be much for fighting on the turn, but they have *lots* of ammo, and if the pilots are willing to use it, it can make lining up on anything for more than three seconds very uncomfortable. I may miss a lot when I fire at 1km away, but you know, if you keep flying straight and level, lining up on that bomber, some of those rounds are going to start hitting, oh and, by the way, did I mention that I have about four thousand rounds to throw at you? Thought that might get your attention.

German aircraft just don't have that kind of ammo to dump all over anything that might possibly be getting close to the bomber stream. US do.

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 08:35 PM
I can fly the La-5 La-7 or late yaks and challenge any pistonpowered at high altitude.

The Me with its overdimensioned nosecanon has the same disadvantage as all german fighters they are like bulls on a bullfight. The come with high speed and lots of energy. Only a fool stands in front of the bull.

After a few pathetic boom and zoom they are exhausted end up with a overheated engine and then its time for the rapier of the torreador.

No I hope that the next patch will make the german fighters better. I am more afraid of attacking a bomber because the cant shoot to the rear of themselves, which a fighter cant, because I will never be in front of a german figher, if I see them, which I mostly does.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 03:43 PM
you are right the soviet planes are overmodelled. If Maddox/Oleg would give the german planes their right charcteristics you wouldnt be so co**cky. I agree with you, give the german planes their right prestanda.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 03:51 PM
they do?
russian planes where more nimble, simple as that


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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 03:56 PM
zugfuhrer wrote:
- you are right the soviet planes are overmodelled. If
- Maddox/Oleg would give the german planes their right
- charcteristics you wouldnt be so co**cky. I agree
- with you, give the german planes their right
- prestanda.
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BS!

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 04:00 PM
I rarely ever see examples of overmodeled Russian planes (sometimes the acceleration and climb catches me offguard however). Infact I have extreme difficulty properly fighting in them a good section of the time (the Yak-3 I can fight in but its got a low ammo load). I learned on the La-5FN and La-7 models but since then I've switched to German and American aircraft and I find them alot better. ALOT better.

Germany aircraft do not lack firepower. A couple of well placed 20mm rounds can do massive damage. A FW190 even without MK108 wing cannons can blow the crap out of any La-7 in the way.

Sure a good La-7 pilot can evade and evade but as long as I have the speed or the height he will eventually go down. And if he goes for a high speed fight...the FW190 has it got beat in control authority.

In equal numbers, German planes, if flown properly, can beat out the Russian fighters with no problems. The MK108 is the best cannon in the game and sometimes a single hit on a La will be enough to either bring it down...or make that manuverable fighter a brick in the sky.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 05:50 PM
Suicide if you don't use them as you should.

Which I admit I'm as guilty as anyone else and get caught in a TnB, but it's so much fun I just can't resist.

I am by no means anything but a lousy pilot, but when I fly the 109 right, I can usually survive and knock down the odd Russian.

I do admit they overheat too much, and seem way to fragile...but it's no fun playing with the Uber planes...wheres the challenge.

And you gotta' love the 108! Other day I shredded a P47 so bad with it I was able to literally fly right through it as it fell apart.

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