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Tater-SW-
07-29-2004, 02:22 PM
Japanese Small Craft and Merchant Shipping Types

This includes many ship types below 1000 gross tons displacement.

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/cargo_carriers.jpg
Great overview shot of the typical small cargo carriers.


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/cargo_carrier_info.jpg


MILITARY LANDING CRAFT and BARGES:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/barge_types_small.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_A.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_AB.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_C.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_DE.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_FG.jpg

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/cargo_barges.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/fuel_barges.jpg


LUGGERS:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers_2.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers3.jpg

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers4.jpg


SEA TRUCKS:

LARGE STEEL TYPES:
FTD - "Fox Tare Dog"
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/FTD.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/FTD2.jpg
(note that many of these larger types are named, and a picture exists of all prewar named ships in my manual (much taken from Lloyds' records, I belive)!)


SCS - "Sugar Charlie Sugar":
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/TypeE.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SCS1.jpg


SAS - "Sugar Able Sugar"
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SBS_std_types.jpg


SBS - "Sugar Baker Sugar"
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SBS.jpg


WOODEN SEA TRUCKS (SD - "Sugar Dog"):
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD_sea_trucks.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD_camo.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD2.jpg


JUNKS:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/junks.jpg


FISHING and UTILITY VESSELS (many converted to wartime use, some as combatants):
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/fishing_vessels.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/small_trawlers.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/fishing_boats_wartime.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/whale_killers.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/floating_cranes.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/floating_cranes2.jpg


SMALL COMBATANTS:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/minor_combatant_vessels.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MTB.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/sub_chaser1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/sub_chaser2.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/PC1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/PC4_13.jpg


RIVER GUNBOATS
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/PR2_7.jpg
A river gunboat with 6 vessels in its class.

tater

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Tater-SW-
07-29-2004, 02:22 PM
Japanese Small Craft and Merchant Shipping Types

This includes many ship types below 1000 gross tons displacement.

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/cargo_carriers.jpg
Great overview shot of the typical small cargo carriers.


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/cargo_carrier_info.jpg


MILITARY LANDING CRAFT and BARGES:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/barge_types_small.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_A.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_AB.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_C.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_DE.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MLC_FG.jpg

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/cargo_barges.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/fuel_barges.jpg


LUGGERS:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers_2.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers3.jpg

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/luggers4.jpg


SEA TRUCKS:

LARGE STEEL TYPES:
FTD - "Fox Tare Dog"
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/FTD.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/FTD2.jpg
(note that many of these larger types are named, and a picture exists of all prewar named ships in my manual (much taken from Lloyds' records, I belive)!)


SCS - "Sugar Charlie Sugar":
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/TypeE.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SCS1.jpg


SAS - "Sugar Able Sugar"
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SBS_std_types.jpg


SBS - "Sugar Baker Sugar"
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SBS.jpg


WOODEN SEA TRUCKS (SD - "Sugar Dog"):
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD_sea_trucks.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD_camo.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD2.jpg


JUNKS:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/junks.jpg


FISHING and UTILITY VESSELS (many converted to wartime use, some as combatants):
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/fishing_vessels.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/small_trawlers.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/fishing_boats_wartime.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/whale_killers.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/floating_cranes.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/floating_cranes2.jpg


SMALL COMBATANTS:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/minor_combatant_vessels.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/MTB.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/sub_chaser1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/sub_chaser2.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/PC1.jpg


http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/PC4_13.jpg


RIVER GUNBOATS
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/PR2_7.jpg
A river gunboat with 6 vessels in its class.

tater

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Carnage2681
07-29-2004, 02:29 PM
With Toy ships like this it is no wonder that the cal 50. can kill ships http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif~

Tater-SW-
07-29-2004, 03:10 PM
Note that the ONI definition of lugger is hugely different than what I had read before. Sea Trucks have motors and sometimes sails, luggers do not require sails, either, and it looks like the sail is typically down (including the nmast), at least in USN nomenclature.

I will add ONI 208-J pictures at the top of the thread, if I post any images down here they will be combat pictures (I'll probably police up all the cool skip bombing and strafing pics from other thread and check 'em in here at some point.

I have 621 PAGES of this stuff on merchant shipping alone on CD now. The above are only small craft. Larger ships have a page for each named ship, or class.

tater

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Tater-SW-
07-29-2004, 04:36 PM
This explains some of the odd nomenclature in the first picture.
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/ship_reporting_system.jpg


tater

Athosd
07-29-2004, 08:13 PM
Good stuff!! Thanks Tater.

Cheers

Athos

Over the Hills and O'er the Main,
To Flanders, Portugal and Spain,
The Queen commands and we'll obey
Over the Hills and far away.

Tater-SW-
07-30-2004, 08:55 AM
In case you didn't scroll up to the first post, I added small combatants to it (sub chasers, etc).

tater

bushmaster78th
07-30-2004, 10:51 AM
Tater,
Where did you get all of this information? I would like to find out and see if I can get a copy for research for some of my paintings. Information like this could really help. Please let me know.....

Tater-SW-
07-30-2004, 12:22 PM
The merchant ships are in ONI 208-J. A bunch of USN recognition manuals are availabble on CD-ROM now. http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id88.htm for the japanese stuff, they have tons.

COmabt pitures from the USAAF are pretty plentiful in IMPACT in 8 volumes, do a book search on it, runs ~$75.


tater

GT182
07-30-2004, 06:40 PM
Didn't you guys see the words in the upper left corner of the pics Tater posted.... "RESTRICTED" Division of Naval Intellegence.

We're not supposed to be looking at them! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif LOL

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Captain_Avatar
07-30-2004, 06:59 PM
Wow, the Type E was pretty neat. Other than the "Air Boats" in the Everglades I didn't know that craft powered by aircraft engines where in use.

Jettexas
07-30-2004, 11:00 PM
Great Pics! Thanks!
This brings up an important issue at least to me, since the PF theatre is largely water, I think it would be great to see large numbers of such ships modeled, we have scads of ground objects that will be rendered largely insignificant in the context of the new theatre
and at least in AEP relatively few ships/boats/etc. It would be great to have these even as "entourage"/boredom breakers for inclusion relativley long flights.
Also from a mission building standpoint Id like the option of maybe pregrouped little "convoys" or flotillas of such craft (handled by the FMB like the current "Supply Column, type objects) Would be great co-op fodder, As a sweep or patrol against smaller ships doesnt require huge numbers of pilots to accomplish misison objectives and makes a useful background/presmise for an aerial encounter without great heaping helpings of large caliber flak being a factor in the plane on plane combat. Im sure that historically many more of these smaller craft were engaged on a day to day basis than the more well publicized large ship encounters.
Something I hope the Devs are looking at if not for immediate release then shortly after in patch form.
S!

96th_Redfish

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RAAFVirtSqn
07-30-2004, 11:11 PM
Awesome post , thnks mate!

RAAFVirtSqn
07-30-2004, 11:11 PM
Awesome post , thnks mate!

RAAFVirtSqn
07-30-2004, 11:11 PM
Awesome post , thnks mate!

Tater-SW-
07-30-2004, 11:21 PM
posting error. oops.

tater

RAAFVirtSqn
07-31-2004, 01:49 AM
Great post mate. Very informative.

Say how do you post images in the forum anyway?

Feathered_IV
07-31-2004, 04:46 AM
Ugh!...56K.
Such a long time......
But SO worth it.

Sincere thanks for taking the time to show us this. Valuable reference indeed.

"If you tell me that it is necessary that we fight, then in the first six months to a year I will run wild, and I will show you an uninterrupted succession of victories. Should the war be prolonged for two or three years....I have no confidence in our ultimate victory" - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto.

Tater-SW-
07-31-2004, 09:40 AM
Hehe, I feel your pain. I'm lucky to get a 28.8 connection, actually. 32,713 feet from a CO, no DSL. No cable up here, either. I could get satelite, but latency would make any gaming at all impossible. Wireless is coming down though, it's only $100/month now, lol (though I've seriously considered it lately).

tater

Tater-SW-
07-31-2004, 10:05 AM
Added the largest sized steel sea trucks in first port, "Fox Tare Dog" type. I only posted a couple pages, there is 1/4 to 1/2 a page for each named ship.

Important is the last ship on the 2d page since it was thought to be a standard type. With limited modelling resources, I'd hop they'd do more standardized types.

I think I may start a new thread for full-sized merchant types. I'll see if I can find american liberty and victory types to add.

tater

Tater-SW-
08-02-2004, 02:33 PM
Added 4 pictures:
Overview of cargo types

"Sugar Able Sugar", and "Sugar Baker Sugar", large, steel sea trucks

PR type


tater

Flydutch
08-03-2004, 01:57 PM
japan, just like all the other nations confiscated, stole & mobilised every ship that could be used for their purpose, and probaly every ship could be of use during wartime be it transport (ocean liners became troop transports)cargo or yachts (Of wich the later became priced toys to the naval officers)fisherman were needed to gather food (very essential)so usely sailed on.

during wartime any thing moving, driving or sailing is fair game if not over nuetral terrain.
Hence all shipping that sailed during the war was painted in camo colour i have even seen camoed sails!

I hope on PF this will be reproduced

Tater-SW-
08-03-2004, 03:26 PM
The japanese in particular were forced to use improvised shipping. Large ships were brutalized by the USN Submariners (and later from B-29s dropping mines).

For PF, I would concentrate less on improvised or commandiered shipping, and more on standarized types, or perhaps better put, typical types.

My reccomendations for minimal additional ships would be (in addition to the extant AEP ships---the freighters could have a reskinned version looking more japanese, the grey is fine for the allies):

Japanese:
Large tanker over 5000 tons (rear engines)
A Sugar Charlie Sugar steel Sea Truck
A Wooden Sea Truck (Sugar Dog) (also a camo version with palm fronds
A medium sized Lugger (also a camo version with palm fronds)
Landing barge (type A, probably) (also a camo version with palm fronds)

Allied:
Victory Ship
Landing craft (higgins boat or LCI)
Landing ship (LST)

Both sides:
It might be good to have some kind of troop transport done in such a way that it could work for all sides (AP, APA in USN terminology). Many of these were commandiered liners (the SS America became the "West Point" for example).

Also, a new large cargo ship could be based upon a commercial design that could also be used by all sides. reskinning existing ships different ways would go a long way in adding immersion at little cost of time.

tater

Tater-SW-
08-08-2004, 10:41 AM
Added a detail image for fuel barges at top of thread.

tater

Tater-SW-
08-16-2004, 01:26 PM
Added Floating Cranes to top of page 1.

tater

Air_Hog
08-17-2004, 01:27 PM
Is anyone doing these for Pacific Fighters? I was asked if I wanted to contribute only sandbag emplacements; nothing over a few meters in size. I'd sure like to knock out a few of these for PF. It's an awful tight community.

A.H.

Tater-SW-
08-17-2004, 04:12 PM
I didn't know players could do anythig other than aircraft. I'd find a copy of 3ds max tomorrow and start building small craft to blow up tomorrow if they were interested.

tater

SaQSoN
08-17-2004, 05:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted 17-08-04 15:12
I didn't know players could do anythig other than aircraft. I'd find a copy of 3ds max tomorrow and start building small craft to blow up tomorrow if they were interested.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You can build anything. Starting from buildings, ending with ordnance, through ships, planes, whatever.
And "they" will be interested.
But, mind a few things:
a) it's too late to start building, if you want your model to get into the release;
b) building a ship might be even more difficult than building a plane, from some point of view;
c) building a model for the game takes A LOT MORE efforts, than you can imagine (no matter what you do can imagine). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tater-SW-
08-17-2004, 08:52 PM
I realize how hard it is, I used to have a computer game company in the office next door, and a friend of mine does it for a living at pixar. I don't pretend to have a clue, but projects are good learning tools. Perhaps if there aren't any proper japanese transports (luggers, sea trucks, etc) I can try and bang some out for a patch.

On the plus side, ships don't have cockpits to model, and the ships I'm interested in don't even need guns (though they could get tacked on).

tater

Air_Hog
08-17-2004, 09:44 PM
Say Tater-SW-

If you do decide to build one of your ships (barges, whatever...) email me & let me know so we don't duplicate the same project. I sent Fennic (FB's Master Ship builder) one of my ships, the German carrier Graff Zeppelin and he wasn't too impressed. It has to be near perfect with low (real low for misc. objects) polygon count. Yet it's got to look good. The real masters of ship and misc. object building is in the texturing. The use of Alpha channels, etc.

A.H.
mike_55534@yahoo.com

Tater-SW-
08-17-2004, 09:50 PM
cc, will do. One reason why I'd try my had at a barge first (not much bigger than a dinghy, lol).

tater

SaQSoN
08-17-2004, 11:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Perhaps if there aren't any proper japanese transports (luggers, sea trucks, etc)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There aren't.
If you still want to start modelling a ship, contact me via PM at the www.netwings.org (http://www.netwings.org) site, please. I will give you design docs and a model exhample.