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flightsurgeon
03-25-2004, 01:04 PM
I want to build a fast rig for IL2 Forgotten Battles and also the ACE Expansion Pack when it comes out. I am considering:

Athlon64 3200+ with 1MB L2 Cache, 400 MHz FSB
MSI K8T800 chipset Motherboard
512 Mb Corsair PC3200 RAM
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Mb DDR
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS

Two harddrives from previous rig
CD-RW drive from previous rig
DVD/CD ROM drive from previous rig
Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar from previous rig
Simped Pedals from previous rig

Questions:
1. Where is money better spent? Pay for a full 1 gig of Corsair RAM (as opposed to 512 Mb) or pay for a Radeon 9800 XT ($434 at newegg) which is significantly more expensive than the 9800 pro ($211 at newegg). Would it be worth it get both? This would be getting kind of expensive. Some who know me would be appalled at how much this hobby can cost.

2. How big a power supply do I need. Is a 430 watt Antec boarderline or O.K., or should I get a 500 watt?

IL 2 Sturmovik is the best series of flight simulators ever written. Thank you Oleg!

[This message was edited by flightsurgeon on Thu March 25 2004 at 12:18 PM.]

[This message was edited by flightsurgeon on Thu March 25 2004 at 12:18 PM.]

flightsurgeon
03-25-2004, 01:04 PM
I want to build a fast rig for IL2 Forgotten Battles and also the ACE Expansion Pack when it comes out. I am considering:

Athlon64 3200+ with 1MB L2 Cache, 400 MHz FSB
MSI K8T800 chipset Motherboard
512 Mb Corsair PC3200 RAM
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Mb DDR
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS

Two harddrives from previous rig
CD-RW drive from previous rig
DVD/CD ROM drive from previous rig
Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar from previous rig
Simped Pedals from previous rig

Questions:
1. Where is money better spent? Pay for a full 1 gig of Corsair RAM (as opposed to 512 Mb) or pay for a Radeon 9800 XT ($434 at newegg) which is significantly more expensive than the 9800 pro ($211 at newegg). Would it be worth it get both? This would be getting kind of expensive. Some who know me would be appalled at how much this hobby can cost.

2. How big a power supply do I need. Is a 430 watt Antec boarderline or O.K., or should I get a 500 watt?

IL 2 Sturmovik is the best series of flight simulators ever written. Thank you Oleg!

[This message was edited by flightsurgeon on Thu March 25 2004 at 12:18 PM.]

[This message was edited by flightsurgeon on Thu March 25 2004 at 12:18 PM.]

VW-IceFire
03-25-2004, 01:08 PM
430 Antec will do you fine. I have a 330W Antec that works great. Stick with the 9800Pro and use the money on the extra RAM. The Pro and XT performance differences are maybe within 10% of each other (or less). Unless you HAVE to have it...go with the Pro which is darned fast (I have a 9700Pro which is probably within 15% of the XT).

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flightsurgeon
03-25-2004, 01:13 PM
I appreciate your advice. I was under the impression that the video card might become the bottleneck before the RAM did (if you have 512 Mb RAM); but, the 9800 XT is WAY more expensive than the 9800 Pro for small gains in framerate. Corsair memory isn't cheap either, though... Anyone else have any thoughts?

Which of the above (video card or RAM) is easier to update at a later date? Last time I added memory, the system didn't really run right. I had to wipe the harddrive clean and load windows xp and EVERYTHING else from scratch in order to get the system to run properly. This really sucked. Would this be necessary if I replaced the video card at a later date?

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crazyivan1970
03-25-2004, 01:48 PM
Moved to general discussion. Please continue there.

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1.JaVA_Razer
03-25-2004, 03:10 PM
Videocards are mostly the bottlenecks but for IL2 it's RAM,CPU and mobo speed for sure.

I have a ATI 9200 and I run it ok (excelent settings,not perfect )
@ 1024x786 at 32bit colors

And man, IL2 EATS ram for breackfast. and be sure on what RAM you buy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
if you want bh5/6 chips go with mushkin. Be very attentionate when it comes to what chips are on the RAM

LeChuck59
03-25-2004, 03:23 PM
Right now the 9800XT isn't much better than the 9800pro. However it's my understanding that the next generation of games, and by that I mean the likes of Half-Life 2, will feature extremely detailed textures and thus performance would be greatly improved by the extra onboard ram. However, it's probobly most effective to put the money into the ram now and upgrade the card later when the XT is cheaper or there are other high end options.

arcadeace
03-25-2004, 03:48 PM
Be very patient and soon the R420 and NV40 will be here. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WUAF_Badsight
03-25-2004, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flightsurgeon:

Questions:
1. Where is money better spent? Pay for a full 1 gig of Corsair RAM (as opposed to 512 Mb) or pay for a Radeon 9800 XT ($434 at newegg) which is significantly more expensive than the 9800 pro ($211 at newegg). Would it be worth it get both?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the Raedeon 9800 PRO will be just fine

it will give you awesome graphics

GO FOR MORE RAM

combat flight sims are RAM hungry

1 Gig will be sufficent , 512 is what i consider BORDERLINE for smooth game play

ZG77_Nagual
03-25-2004, 05:05 PM
I run my 9800 pro moderately overclocked and it outbenches my buddy, who has an xt running with the ati OC utility. I also have an overclocked 9700 pro (actually, 9700 flashed to pro) that benches almost the same as his xt. Definitely go for the ramm - you need a gig to make fb happy. The xt is anice card, but for the performance diff nott worth the price.

DaBallz
03-25-2004, 05:16 PM
Hey Nagster, overclock an ATI 9800XT and it's
heavenly.....

I have managed as high as 7,320 on the Mad Onion 3DMark 2003 test.

I clock at 455/384

Framerate run at 60fps average in 1200x1600 32
perfect mode.

Da...

Intel P4 Extreme 3.2 clocked at 3.488
ASUS P4S800
ATI 9800XT
1 gig matched Corsair PC3200 RAM
SB Audigy2
Windows XP pro SP1A

ZG77_Nagual
03-25-2004, 05:40 PM
Yadzoo! dat quick! I currently to 434/366 on my pro Can't say I've tried a whole lot higher - I get bored waiting for 3dmark03 to finish running (Any artifacts at all are unacceptable to me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

My current 3dmark03 is 6570 - though I once got it to run at 800x600 and got somewhere around 7500 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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P4 2.6c@3.2
2gig mixed unmatched corsair/mushkin running dual channel cheap and perfectly stable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
r 9800pro as above
sb audigy
120 seagate serial ata
36 gig WD raptor serial ata (for da simm and swap)
120gig WD IDE 133 (7200rmp)
80 git WD Ide133 "
465 Enermax psu
Coolermaster Wavemaster *****in aluminum case http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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