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Ankanor
02-05-2004, 06:33 AM

Ankanor
02-05-2004, 06:33 AM

KGr.HH-Sunburst
02-05-2004, 06:49 AM
if they would just add an other engine on the
109 i think it would stand a chance
but its just 2 109s gleud together so i think
its performence will be worse than a normal 109G
but im not sure cus i dont know the specs/performence of the 109Z

http://www.warhawks.tk/
http://www.digital-d.nl/fotos/sunburstsig.jpg

Ankanor
02-05-2004, 07:44 AM
The Me109Z has less wing surface but at the same time it is lighter than 2 conventional G-6, has less drag surface, also has greater range, stronger than the P-38 armament(4*30mm)better speed.

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/101203-delphinche.jpg
Some things are worth fighting for.
And most of them wear miniskirts...

Atzebrueck
02-05-2004, 07:46 AM
They should have used two K4 instead of G6 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

HansKnappstick
02-05-2004, 07:48 AM
I vote for the third of the three pictures in the original post.

B16Enk
02-05-2004, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HansKnappstick:
I vote for the third of the three pictures in the original post.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gets my vote too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ankanor
02-05-2004, 07:59 AM
Ahhh, she is undoubtedly the best AA weapon mankind can develop, isn't she? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/101203-delphinche.jpg
Some things are worth fighting for.
And most of them wear miniskirts...

DONB3397
02-05-2004, 08:21 AM
Are these screenshots (planes) actual a/c from FB?

Winning isn't everything;
It's the only thing!
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/3fe77b7e_1812a/bc/Images/Sig---1.jpg?BCdJZIABpBmmLZQo

horseback
02-05-2004, 08:23 AM
There's a reason that the P-38 was produced and the 109 zwilling wasn't, and it had little to do with bombing raids destroying the prototype. Had the initial test flights of the 109 twin been at all encouraging, the 190D series wouldn't have been put into production.

As it was, the P-38 had finally overcome the problems that limited its success in the ETO by the time the 109Z would have entered combat. I think that the pilot of the 109Z would have some problems with his "offset" position during violent maneuvers and convergence issues for his wing mounted armament. I think that as a dogfighter, the P-38 would be superior at all altitudes.

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

FW190fan
02-05-2004, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HansKnappstick:
I vote for the third of the three pictures in the original post.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Most intelligent post I've read all day!

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg

p1ngu666
02-05-2004, 09:19 AM
yep, that girl is NICE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
but the p38 for sure, notice how the 109 has the extra cannons on the wings
crappy handling AHOY
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jagdmailer
02-05-2004, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
yep, that girl is NICE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
but the p38 for sure, notice how the 109 has the extra cannons on the wings
crappy handling AHOY
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


BTW, that screenie is the 5 X Mk108 30mm version. I believe that we are either getting the 3 X MK108 variant(2 in a motor-Kanone setup + 1 on the center wing) as previously mentioned on this board. Or it may be that 2 variants may be available, the 3 X Mk108 & the 5 Mk 108.

Obviously, the 3 cannon variant should have better handling than the 5 cannon variant http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maybe Butch2K could clear things up, but when I enquired about this about 3+ month ago, I was told that we would be getting the 3 X Mk108 variant.

I guess we will see when we get it !

As far as the ability of the Bf 109Z versus the P-38, I believe the Mk 108 is not very well suited for dogfighting, specially not with the overmodelled muzzle flash ala Il-2/FB, whether you have 1 of them such as the later Gustav or the Kurfurst, or 3 or 5 of them. You could speculate about that the Bf 109Z with 3 X Mg 151/20 would have been better suited to tackle the P-38 if it was ever available in reality or in the sim.

What would happen to the P-38 handling if you would configure it as a bomber destroyer/Heavy fighter (and not interceptor/Fighter) with the weight of 5 X 30 cannons + the weight of the heavier corresponding ammo belts in the nose or under the wings versus the 4 Browning M2 + 20mm cannon ?

Just wandering....

Cheers,

Jagd