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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 02:57 AM
I've only just started playing fb, since playing IL-2 some time ago. I loved the IL-2 Campaign in the original, but FB's dynamic campaign so far for me has been awful. I'm probably bringing up issues that have been discussed before, and hopefully the patch will fix this all up.

Some things I've experienced in campaign - bad missions like this happen to me about 20% of the time, and it spoils the whole campaign as you are penalised for no fault of your own.

- Flying in a group of 8 i-16s on a bombing mission, the group gets jumped on the runway, which is fine. What is not fine is that the 1 and 2 planed immediately drop their bombs _and destroy themselves_ on taking off. I take off in 3rd place, 4 is destroyed on the runway _5 and 6 crash into 4_ 7 takes off and lives and 8 is shot down immediately. This leaves me and seven against the 12 109s at the target, plus AA, and 7 decides to continue the mission anyway. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING???

- A transfer mission with no opposition encounters loses 4 mig 3s from mid air collisions in formation flight.

- Flying an IL2, my escorts ignore me to duel with some IARs while 6 109Gs line up on the 4 il2's and take out all my wingmen. I fly back to the escorts, dodging madly and radioing for assistance, and the laggs and i16s continue ignoring me as 4 109s pound me to death.

I won't go on, but this is seriously messed up. I don't mind hard missions, and I don't mind my wingmen getting killed, but they drop like mayflies for no good reason apart from stupidity, and that's just not right. Even though I usually survive the mishaps, there's no way to complete a mission of 1 or 2 planes versus 8 or 10 or 12.

Anyway, I'm disappointed. The single missions are good enough, but I'm getting bored of them. And there's no Il2 single missions _in a game called "Il2"_.

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 02:57 AM
I've only just started playing fb, since playing IL-2 some time ago. I loved the IL-2 Campaign in the original, but FB's dynamic campaign so far for me has been awful. I'm probably bringing up issues that have been discussed before, and hopefully the patch will fix this all up.

Some things I've experienced in campaign - bad missions like this happen to me about 20% of the time, and it spoils the whole campaign as you are penalised for no fault of your own.

- Flying in a group of 8 i-16s on a bombing mission, the group gets jumped on the runway, which is fine. What is not fine is that the 1 and 2 planed immediately drop their bombs _and destroy themselves_ on taking off. I take off in 3rd place, 4 is destroyed on the runway _5 and 6 crash into 4_ 7 takes off and lives and 8 is shot down immediately. This leaves me and seven against the 12 109s at the target, plus AA, and 7 decides to continue the mission anyway. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING???

- A transfer mission with no opposition encounters loses 4 mig 3s from mid air collisions in formation flight.

- Flying an IL2, my escorts ignore me to duel with some IARs while 6 109Gs line up on the 4 il2's and take out all my wingmen. I fly back to the escorts, dodging madly and radioing for assistance, and the laggs and i16s continue ignoring me as 4 109s pound me to death.

I won't go on, but this is seriously messed up. I don't mind hard missions, and I don't mind my wingmen getting killed, but they drop like mayflies for no good reason apart from stupidity, and that's just not right. Even though I usually survive the mishaps, there's no way to complete a mission of 1 or 2 planes versus 8 or 10 or 12.

Anyway, I'm disappointed. The single missions are good enough, but I'm getting bored of them. And there's no Il2 single missions _in a game called "Il2"_.

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 03:00 AM
the curious thing is you swap to the LW side and suddenly the LW AI are useless and the VVS invincible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

it i spossible to change the skill leel of your AI in the campaign configuration but apparently the patch may fix a lot of campaign AI issues

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:02 AM
The only way I know of to deal with the strafed/bombed on the runway problem is to immmediately abort the mission, return to main menu, call up the mission through the FMB and edit into something playable by moving the attackers back a little. You should't have to do it but it's the only fix I know. To get the 2nd flight to respond to your distress call, use tab7 and then countermand this order for the 1st flight.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 07:08 AM
Third Party campaigns are better.

Actually, looking at the generated missions in FMB could be a good way to start making your own missions. I never bother with any campaigns after I saw the first campaign mission I tried in the FMB.

Others here will link to the 3rd Party campaign sites.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 03:03 AM
It is a recognised fact that the campaigns provided by the game are 'generated' by a computer campaign generator ........ they are not a patch (timely word) on missions generated by people
us mission builders like to complain about the lack of tools in the Full Mission Builder

Try www.mudmovers.com (http://www.mudmovers.com) and www.sim-outhouse.com (http://www.sim-outhouse.com) for some good single missions, and there are many other sites with missions for download.

I also like to fly the il2 and several of my missions are for this aircraft.. 'loon'

I've just completed a new campaign for the Hurricane too ....'Scramble mini campaign' of 12 missions

if you like drop me a line and i'll send you any or all

fred_blandford@hotmail.com

'loon'