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Vortex_uk
07-17-2004, 06:23 AM
I assume we'll be getting this bird in PF,so will we have the wheels thats we are missing in FB?

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Vortex_uk
07-17-2004, 06:23 AM
I assume we'll be getting this bird in PF,so will we have the wheels thats we are missing in FB?

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07-17-2004, 09:29 AM
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GT182
07-17-2004, 09:30 AM
Have patience, Gibbage is working on it for FB and I imagine PF. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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RAAFVirtSqn
07-17-2004, 06:13 PM
Please appreciate that the PBY without wheels was the earlier model PBY5.

The PBY5 was used extensively by the RAAF in the Pacific Theater. In fact you could say as a matter of fact one of the key types of aircraft that were involved in the Defence of Australia. To not include the PBY5 would be very disapointing to the Aussie flight sim community.

To me there seems little reason why there could not be both models PBY5 and PBY5A. E.g. the PBY5 already exists - but is non flyable.

Gibbage1
07-19-2004, 05:04 PM
There are very few cockpit referances for PBY5's since there are only 2 left. Both located in Florida in the same museum. I will consider it, but its a bigger task then you think.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAAFVirtSqn:
Please appreciate that the PBY without wheels was the earlier model PBY5.

The PBY5 was used extensively by the RAAF in the Pacific Theater. In fact you could say as a matter of fact one of the key types of aircraft that were involved in the Defence of Australia. To not include the PBY5 would be very disapointing to the Aussie flight sim community.

To me there seems little reason why there could not be both models PBY5 and PBY5A. E.g. the PBY5 already exists - but is non flyable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ASH at S-MART
07-19-2004, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
There are very few cockpit referances for PBY5's since there are only 2 left. Both located in Florida in the same museum. I will consider it, but its a bigger task then you think.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think New Zealand stole one! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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VW-IceFire
07-19-2004, 08:45 PM
Canadian Warplane Heritage has a PBY-5A. Its a Canso and its Canadian built...but I imagine is almost identical and its in flying condition.

You could ask them for pictures.

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Waldo.Pepper
07-21-2004, 10:44 PM
I had no idea that those Cats were so plush. no wonder everyone wanted to crew 'em.

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07-22-2004, 05:14 AM
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fordfan25
07-22-2004, 11:17 AM
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RAAFVirtSqn
07-23-2004, 04:41 AM
Heya Gib,

I have quite a few materials inclusing flight manuals with identifcation, pictures of all aspects of the cockpits and gauages etc for the PBY5.

Just say the word and I can either FTP them or you can down load them from our RAAF site as a loan.

Anyway let me know if you want them and I can progress this.

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xanty
07-23-2004, 09:56 AM
Would anyone have the same info for the Os2U Kingfisher? (like manuals, decent inside pics, etc)

Thanks!

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fordfan25
07-23-2004, 03:39 PM
will we be able to use the pby gib is makeing for anti sub or surface ship use. i think i remember hearing thay were used sometimes for that.

Vortex_uk
07-23-2004, 04:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
There are very few cockpit referances for PBY5's since there are only 2 left. Both located in Florida in the same museum. I will consider it, but its a bigger task then you think.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAAFVirtSqn:
Please appreciate that the PBY without wheels was the earlier model PBY5.

The PBY5 was used extensively by the RAAF in the Pacific Theater. In fact you could say as a matter of fact one of the key types of aircraft that were involved in the Defence of Australia. To not include the PBY5 would be very disapointing to the Aussie flight sim community.

To me there seems little reason why there could not be both models PBY5 and PBY5A. E.g. the PBY5 already exists - but is non flyable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I swear i saw a PBY-5 at RIAT last weekend. I'm sure the sign in front of it said PBY-5 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif It wasn't very normal looking. Yellow,green,red... i'm a kind of racing paintscheme. In fact,i've got pictures of it,unfortunatly not with a digi-camera,or a normal film camera,but a mobliephone-camera.

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wickedpenguin
07-27-2004, 01:34 AM
There's a US Navy-painted PBY parked at Kendall-Tamiami Airport, FL, right next to the school where I take flying lessons. Never seen it airborne myself, but from what I've heard its still flown. It's in great condition.

Here's a shot of it that I found (http://www.catalina.demon.nl/images/N96UC_1_c_Gregory_C._Witmer.jpg), plus a list of surviving PBY's in the USA. (http://www.catalina.demon.nl/pby/survivors_usa.htm).

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tfu_iain1
07-27-2004, 03:32 AM
there was also a wheeled pby parked at duxford when i was there... i think theres more than two of them

stinkyfatsack
08-13-2004, 12:11 AM
Just to clear something up.
I think Gibbage was remarking on info from me, being that the best available cockpit for reference is located on the Pensacola NAS Mueseum in Floria. Where there are 2 planes located. One hangs suspended from the ceilng above the other in the museum.

Back in the Fall of 2002 I was staying about 10 minutes away from the NAS and went there to get reference photos for his project. But at the time i was there the PBY that was on full display was just being unveiled and it was treated as such that i couldn't get inside for Accurate pictures. The day i was there the Museum was having a huge luncheon in the building for the Offical Unveilng of this display. So museum officals were all over this plane and refused to let me climb inside, where the reference photos really need to be taken from. This day WAS the closest i was allowed to the plane and i was able to stick my arms through holes in the plane and try to get the best photos i could.

Just to let you know the PBY i was getting the photos from had crashed and sunk in Pensacola bay in the 80's, as a training plane.
It was salvaged in the late 90's, restored, and portions of the body were cut away for the display. The cockpit IS intact and fully restored, but the way its setup, the cut aways have been covered over with plexi body panels so was hard to get photos, from the outside, and very few places to get the camera inside, at arms reach, esp with all the goings on that day.

I returned in summer 2003 to see the display and they had since then roped the display off further to prevent even being VERY close to it, as i was the year before.

As it is, it is hard to convince museum curators, esp at Pensacola NAS Museum to allow tourists to get VERY close to the planes, much less crawl inside, so it seems. I even tried to explain what my reasons for the reference photos were for, and while i was given permission to take as many photos as i wished, I was told all photos have to be taken from behind the ropes. Etc Etc.

So, even tho more planes are available unless you can find one, and find one where the owner, curators, will let you get fully inside the plane to take photos, It is MUCH harder than you think to obtain these photos.

Almost all of my pics turned out dark and grainy and truthfully left alot to be desired generally not providing the entire layout from a pilot perspective.

Its nice to know where these planes are located , that others posted, but unless photos can be taken for reference then theres not much Gibbage can go on for now.

Also the PBY is much larger than one would think. With front gunner/anchorman postion, cockpit, Map/Radio room, bunk room, rear gunnery deck, and rear storage deck. Also a radio/radar tower below the wings makes for a large plane with a need for several hundered photos to accurately model all postions.

If anyone can handle the task of finding the plane, obtaining permission to crawl all inside the plane and take photos, i am sure Gibbage would appriciate it.

I don't mean to speak FOR him, but we were in discussion about this plane nearly 2 years ago now.

Jason Bourne
08-13-2004, 01:25 PM
PBYs are cool, but i also want a Black Cat version with the 4 .50s instead of a bombsite, after all, people dont use bombsite in MP anyway.

Fliger747
08-13-2004, 01:48 PM
Something to remember about the PBY and ssentially all other flying boats, open sea landings could be attempted (at great risk) only under the best conditions. This is due to the running SWELL in the open ocean! Protected waters such as chanels (like the slot) lagoons and bays are a different matter.

The PBY's were used as night torpedo planes on several occasions, possibly a not too effective expedient, but great for harassment.

wickedpenguin
08-14-2004, 12:57 PM
Lots of interior views of a PBY located at NAS Pensacola. I'm going to assume you've seen these... but in case not:
PBY Cutaway Project - NAS Pensacola (http://www.pbyrescue.com/cutaway/cutawaythumbs.htm)

Here's another page with shots of the same aircraft: http://home.earthlink.net/~cutawaypby/

Just thought it might help.

http://home.earthlink.net/~cutawaypby/portside.jpg

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-14-2004, 08:57 PM
Well, considering that the aircraft had a crew of what, 6 or 7?? And that the aircraft could be in the air for up to 30 hours at a time, you can see that they would need some food and stuff.

Also, a major part of operations of the cats were SAR duties, and they would obviously pick up guys suffering from exposure, and dehydration and so on, and they would give them hot food, and there are I think 4-6 bunks in an aft compartment available as well.

This aircraft is a fantastic thing, and I really hope we get it flyable!!!

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RAAFVirtSqn
08-14-2004, 09:35 PM
Gibbage, should be able to make good use of these and this link. PBY Cutaway Project - NAS Pensacola http://www.pbyrescue.com/cutaway/cutawaythumbs.htm



As stated before I have the flight manuals for differing PBY models, which I can make available to Gibbage on request. Many detailed cockpit photos etc

RAAFVirtSqn
08-14-2004, 09:35 PM
Gibbage, should be able to make good use of these and this link. PBY Cutaway Project - NAS Pensacola http://www.pbyrescue.com/cutaway/cutawaythumbs.htm



As stated before I have the flight manuals for differing PBY models, which I can make available to Gibbage on request. Many detailed cockpit photos etc

RAAFVirtSqn
08-14-2004, 09:35 PM
Gibbage, should be able to make good use of these and this link. PBY Cutaway Project - NAS Pensacola http://www.pbyrescue.com/cutaway/cutawaythumbs.htm



As stated before I have the flight manuals for differing PBY models, which I can make available to Gibbage on request. Many detailed cockpit photos etc