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JG77Hawk_9
07-12-2004, 01:55 AM
on the Finish side = Total Bull****!!!

Flying for the Fins and you get your *** smacked no matter what you do. Doesn't sound representative of an airforce which had a 10 to 1 kill ratio against the USSR airforces.

Bloody frustrating. Oleg in future try not to have so much USSR bias in the campaigns cause they totally kill any for of historical believability. Nothing like line abreast take offs bing bounced all the time by bloody soviet fighers and the ai don't even have their engines running. You see you squad get wipped out in an instant and it pisses me off. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

JG77Hawk_9
07-12-2004, 01:55 AM
on the Finish side = Total Bull****!!!

Flying for the Fins and you get your *** smacked no matter what you do. Doesn't sound representative of an airforce which had a 10 to 1 kill ratio against the USSR airforces.

Bloody frustrating. Oleg in future try not to have so much USSR bias in the campaigns cause they totally kill any for of historical believability. Nothing like line abreast take offs bing bounced all the time by bloody soviet fighers and the ai don't even have their engines running. You see you squad get wipped out in an instant and it pisses me off. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

HuninMunin
07-12-2004, 02:04 AM
Erm, I`ve just started a finish campaign and till now I have a 4 kills / mission ratio.

Simon "Hunin" Phoenix

Oberst der Deutschen GoF Trolling Korps

Hoarmurath
07-12-2004, 02:18 AM
If i well remember how dgen work, this is because you lost too many planes before...

You know, that was the point of having a dynamic campaign, to have the possibility to change history. If you want historical accuracy, you better stay with the scripted campaigns.

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HuninMunin
07-12-2004, 02:29 AM
I thought you were BANNED.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
Just kidding.

Simon "Hunin" Phoenix

Oberst der Deutschen GoF Trolling Korps

JG77Hawk_9
07-12-2004, 04:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Erm, I`ve just started a finish campaign and till now I have a 4 kills / mission ratio.

Simon "Hunin" Phoenix

Oberst der Deutschen GoF Trolling Korps<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And this is with the standard campaign engine defaults???

The first two missions for me on default settings has the VVS flying over our field with all the Fins lined up on the runway like sitting ducks. Even with taking off from the taxi strips ahead of my flight we take a massive beating loosing 2:1 to the VVS. This is the first campaign starting out with Gladiators. If you have altered the settings in your campaign anyway from default install then yes, it can be made more realistic but as a default it leads to much in frustration specially for the Fins it was a case of sport when going up and swatting the VVS.

Not reflected here. p.s. No I wasn't banned just tried for a while to get FB running under Linux which it does but with controller issues.

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AdmiralWarlord
07-12-2004, 08:47 PM
Finns were outnumbered and the only reasons they got high ratios was because of the quality of their pilots.

JG77Hawk_9
07-12-2004, 09:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AdmiralWarlord:
Finns were outnumbered and the only reasons they got high ratios was because of the quality of their pilots.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the VVS pilots were ****. The better trained and more experienced VVS pilots were on the front against the Germans. This led to a Turkey shoot for the Finnish Air Force. The VVS were scared to fly against them and considering the second rate equipment the Finns had to deal with this was quite an achievement, something definately not reflected in the default settings of FB AEP's Finnish Campaign. Which is a walk over by the VVS. Get the picture???

Luftcaca
07-12-2004, 11:02 PM
well dude better get used to it
Right now in FB/AEP the winning side is: YOUR side

of course, ultimately, it doesnt change the real course of the war, you will loose as an axis pilot and you will win as an allied pilot but no matter what battle you're fighting in, your side will win (unless you suck big time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

in 41, Leningrad, flying an Lagg3 S4
I kept a rate of at least 6 kills per mission agaisnt the Germans and the Finns

the battle ended up like 200 kills for us vs 50 not more

it is historically totally unaccurate I know but its due to the AI

see how it works? you kick butts, your pals come back to base alive

they will stay alive and maybe they will shoot down some planes, then b4 you know it you lead a squad of Lagg3 aces over Leningrad. Result? you kick finn butts even if they are aces cuz their planes are less good than the Lagg3 (at least in the game)

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wants flyable:

early 110's
IL-10
Pe-3

LeLv30_Superbus
07-13-2004, 12:58 AM
I found it quite easy flying the default campaign in 1943 (Bf 109 G-2). Try that instead, if the 1941 is too hard for you. I wasn't downed once while collecting 30-something victories. I never finished it though, I just wanted some gunnery practise for online play. Sadly (I found out) gunnery doesn't work the same way online. I never down anything online.

Don't you wish we had an online war on the Finno-Russian front too? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ELEM
07-13-2004, 06:58 AM
You're joking right? I have got my highest kill ratio in my FINNISH campaign flying the B-239. Since "progressing" to the Bf-109G-2 that has gone down a little.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/I-16_desktop.jpg http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/dhm_787_small.jpg

[This message was edited by ELEM on Wed July 14 2004 at 06:04 AM.]

AdmiralWarlord
07-13-2004, 11:37 AM
You can always make your own campaign and make the Finns aces and make the VVS all rookies. What is the point of coming here and talking about it ? There is no chance the campaign will be changed - Oleg is busy working on other things.

FritzFrotz
07-13-2004, 12:07 PM
I wish Lowengrin did a Finnish campaign for the DCG.

Luftcaca
07-13-2004, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
You're joking right? I have got my highest kill ratio in my FINNISH campaign flying the B-235. Since "progressing" to the Bf-109G-2 that has gone down a little.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/I-16_desktop.jpg http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/dhm_787_small.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


well first of all its the B-239
second, as I said, no matter what battle you are fighting in, YOUR side will be the winner

its easy to fight for the Finns agaisnt the Russians, its easy to fight for the russians over Leningrad, its easy to fight the Germans in 41...its easy to fight the Russians over Berlin in 45....you get the point http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

oh and its normal to have a pretty high kill ratio with the Brewster, since I found out that the .50 was a pretty effective caliber agaisnt russian planes, the lagg and Yaks will go down pretty fast with .50, wayyyy faster than with the G2 without the gunpods.

that creates a very strange situation: you will get more kills in a Finnish B-239 b4 being out of ammo than in a russian P-40m, even if the P-40 had more firepower (2 more .50's)

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Formerly ''known'' as Gunther Aeroburst

wants flyable:

early 110's
IL-10
Pe-3

Flakwalker
07-13-2004, 01:34 PM
On the finnish campaign I sometimes get scramble missions but usually there are only two fighters, the AA sometimes do the job but I normally when I wasnt the leader I take off and heading to the attacker and shoting at him to make him disengage, normally only the leader attack.
There are things like for example friendly groups starting very far away from our flight and out of the map, no naval or seaplane activity aswell.

JG77Hawk_9
07-13-2004, 07:41 PM
Ah well , just looks like we need to tweek the campaign for accuracy. For example, throw lots of planes up for the VVS but dumb them down ai wise if your flying Finnish, or if VVS put up f-all planes but make them all ace ai for the Fins and your team (VVS) throw up lots of target drones.

Pity this isn't set as default with the camaign selection, after all it must have been coding mayhem for them. Whining off.

p.s. I expect to get my *** handed to me flying VVS early war campaign.

Luftcaca
07-14-2004, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>


p.s. I expect to get my *** handed to me flying VVS early war campaign.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ohh you wont
take the Lagg3, any battle in 41, and you will get the highest kill ratio you ever got

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Formerly ''known'' as Gunther Aeroburst

wants flyable:

early 110's
IL-10
Pe-3

JG77_Tintin
07-15-2004, 04:00 AM
Hi Hawk, hows it going?

Funnily enough, I just started a Finland 1941 Campaign, flying the J8 Gladiator and have 4 kills and 4 ground kills in as many missions. The first mission was against 3 TB3's up high, but the second mission did start with 2 I-16's straffing the base while we were on the deck. Seem to be holding my own and getting kills using the Gladiators agility. Think its 1 TB & 3 x I-16 kills. Overall the kill ratio has been slightly in Finlands favour. From reading Osprey's Finnish Aces of WW2, the Gladiator was replaced by the Fiat G.50 in LLv 26, after heavy losses in an aerial battle on 25 February, 1940. Apparently, they had problems fending off the I-153 and I-16. Try using the historically correct Brewster in the June, 1941 campaign and you will probably get that 10 to 1 ratio. That little beast is made for eating the I-16 & I-153.