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BSS_Goat
01-06-2004, 08:06 AM
Intel p4 2.6 gig
Biostar p4 motherboard
512 pc2100 ddr ram
80 gig western digital hard drive
52x24x52 cd-rw
16x dvd
10/100 network card
radeon 9200 128 meg
soundblaster live
atx case 300 watt power supply
windows xp

$897.00 What do ya'll computer gurus think about this system and price?

BSS_Goat
01-06-2004, 08:06 AM
Intel p4 2.6 gig
Biostar p4 motherboard
512 pc2100 ddr ram
80 gig western digital hard drive
52x24x52 cd-rw
16x dvd
10/100 network card
radeon 9200 128 meg
soundblaster live
atx case 300 watt power supply
windows xp

$897.00 What do ya'll computer gurus think about this system and price?

Zayets
01-06-2004, 08:14 AM
If tax are included , I should say is a good price.Still I don't understand why ppl don't buy computers in parts.The price could be way less.

Zayets out

FullFlaps
01-06-2004, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
If tax are included , I should say is a good price.Still I don't understand why ppl don't buy computers in parts.The price could be way less.

Zayets out<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would if I knew how to put it together. You could probably take $300 off of that price. Maybe more. S!

tenmmike
01-06-2004, 10:09 AM
get more better ram............ dont know about that motherboard.........psu @ 300 watts is on the low side.....if ya post this in tech the real smart guys will respond

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maxim26
01-06-2004, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhett69:
Intel p4 2.6 gig
Biostar p4 motherboard
512 pc2100 ddr ram
80 gig western digital hard drive
52x24x52 cd-rw
16x dvd
10/100 network card
radeon 9200 128 meg
soundblaster live
atx case 300 watt power supply
windows xp

$897.00 What do ya'll computer gurus think about this system and price?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, check out this specification:
Kingwin KT-424-S-WM
Power supply Enermax EG301P-VB 300W
Motherboard Biostar M7NCD Pro nVidia 2 400 Ultra
Processor AMD Athlon XP 2800+ 333 MHz FSB`
Memmory Gail GE2563200B 512 MB
Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu+
SAMSUNG 120GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model SP1203N
POWERCOLOR RADEON 9700PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR
Lite On Beige 52x32x52 CD-RW Drive, Model LTR-52327S BEIGE

I went to online store Newegg.com and the cost of all this components is just $780 and you get Top graphic card, bigger hard drive, faster RAM. Only one thing, yo have to assemble PC by yourself...

crazyivan1970
01-06-2004, 10:48 AM
Most of the components are outdated and price is too high IMO. It`s not really a new computer mate. You can do better.
Whatever maxim is offering looks much much better.

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LW_Cobra
01-06-2004, 10:48 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rhett69:
Intel p4 2.6 gig
Biostar p4 motherboard
512 pc2100 ddr ram
80 gig western digital hard drive
52x24x52 cd-rw
16x dvd
10/100 network card
radeon 9200 128 meg
soundblaster live
atx case 300 watt power supply
windows xp

No offense whatsoever here, but you are buying an outdated system that I would have bought a year and a half ago. I take it money is a factor here so I can understand. For $1,100 with shipping from Mwave.com you can get much, much, much better:

Abit 1C7 MAX3 Motherboard with a P4 3.0G running at 800MHz FSB.
1 GB Kingston DDR400 Ram
ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB

The hard drives and case and other items you can piece together for about $500. Don't go cheap on the power supply either, I would suggest 400W minumum.

If you've waited this long to get a good machine I would suggest you don't go wasting your money on what you've shown above. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
01-06-2004, 11:06 AM
I have an abit ic7 and can testify this is a great board - the 9800xt is an outrageous video card as well.

I've done alot of business with Mwave - However they did screw up once in such a way and with such magnitude that they are no longer one of my vendors. They failed to ship a video card and refused to take responsibility for it until a credit card company started to go after them.

I think they are fine as long as they don't screw up - and stay right on top of the warranty. Those system specs are good - I'd take them and check around.

I agree the system in the original post is not worth buying.

BSS_Goat
01-06-2004, 11:10 AM
Thanks for the replies everyone .... I have about $1,000.00 to spend and have never put a computer together. That means I must buy one assembled. Please post your recomended system for the above budget.(I have monitor,speakers ect)

crazyivan1970
01-06-2004, 11:15 AM
Maybe you wanna wait till BOB? Not sure what is your current system. But computer technology at the point where whatever you buy today might become obsolete by the end of 2004. Just a tought mate, not trying to discurage you.

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Zayets
01-06-2004, 11:16 AM
Wooohooo!
You guys should see what computers are sold in the malls and at what price!My good!It makes you wonder how the heck they came out with that price!for $897 you can do a better system but you guys didn't checked the whole list.Only Win XP is a minimum $200 , so deduct this amount before you calculate.If tere's any drawback this is the amount of RAM.Someone said here that 1G is about to be standard for gaming nowaday.Another one could be the power supply,but this is still better than mine (250W). The CPU is very good , but I don't know what's the bus speed , this can give you extra speed.P4 2.6 is outdated only if you want to buy another computer.What do you gain if you install a P4 @3.06? 5 more fps in Jumping Jack (cool game BTW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)? GPU looks fair , although I have seen for the same price a 9600. Don't know a thing about mobo , so I can't say anything.Investing in a new architecture is worthed if you know that you can afford a new one when the big boys will hit the town this year. Is just a matter of patience IMHO. I run Slackware Linux for my regular stuffs on a P3@600Mhz with 256MB Ram and a SiS vidcard with 4MB ram . Couldn't be happier. The big machine is for my wife and games.Of course , mainly for games http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zayets out

BSS_Goat
01-06-2004, 11:28 AM
Im running FB on a 800mhz w/ radeon 7500, 512 RAM now. I hope my new one (even if I dont get top of the line) will run a little better LOL

Chivas
01-06-2004, 12:06 PM
I've just upgraded from a P4 2.6 @ 3.0 to a AMD64 3000+ 2.0gig. The AMD runs Perfect settings faster with no clitches than the Intel system did.

To be fair the Intel system had the 400fsb and agp4, instead of the newer 800fsb and agp8.
I'm very impressed with AMD's performance at 2.0 gigs. I can overclock it to 2.2 gigs but don't see much more than a frame or two difference in speeds.

The AMD64 3000+ is cheap with great performance. You will be able to upgrade to a 3700+ before the 939 systems take over.

Although this year there will be alot of changes in CPU systems. The new stuff will require a total upgrade of Case, power supply, motherboard,etc. Its hard to say what the best route will be....

maxim26
01-06-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
Wooohooo!
You guys should see what computers are sold in the malls and at what price!My good!It makes you wonder how the heck they came out with that price!for $897 you can do a better system but you guys didn't checked the whole list.Only Win XP is a minimum $200 , so deduct this amount before you calculate.If tere's any drawback this is the amount of RAM.Someone said here that 1G is about to be standard for gaming nowaday.Another one could be the power supply,but this is still better than mine (250W). The CPU is very good , but I don't know what's the bus speed , this can give you extra speed.P4 2.6 is outdated only if you want to buy another computer.What do you gain if you install a P4 @3.06? 5 more fps in Jumping Jack (cool game BTW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)? GPU looks fair , although I have seen for the same price a 9600. Don't know a thing about mobo , so I can't say anything.Investing in a new architecture is worthed if you know that you can afford a new one when the big boys will hit the town this year. Is just a matter of patience IMHO. I run Slackware Linux for my regular stuffs on a P3@600Mhz with 256MB Ram and a SiS vidcard with 4MB ram . Couldn't be happier. The big machine is for my wife and games.Of course , mainly for games http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zayets out<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

$200 for Win XP man!!!! Sorry, but its not smart to pay so much when you can get Win XP home just for $70. And you will never use the features of Pro version. Its OEM version though and you have to by a piece of hardware with it. But if you buying a new PC anyway it doesnt matter.

Here is my advice. Go to eWiz.com, Newegg.com or any other reliable online store and buy components for your PC. I bought 2 PC already from Newegg and they never let me down. 2-3 days delivery from CA to WV. If you need help with choosing configuration just let me know.

If you don't have experience in putting PC together, I can help you with it also. Their is nothing to be afraid of. It's difficalt to break anything unless you will try realy hard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you need help, you can always find me using Yahoo Messenger. You will have my help in real time.

for 1000 you will have good looking aluminum case Lian Li or Cooler Master, the ones such companies like Falcon or Voodoo use for their systems. Fast processor, and top graphic card like FX5900 - $200, or Radeon 9700 Pro - $216, or Radeon 9800 Pro - $270.

Willey
01-06-2004, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhett69:
Intel p4 2.6 gig
Biostar p4 motherboard
512 pc2100 ddr ram
80 gig western digital hard drive
52x24x52 cd-rw
16x dvd
10/100 network card
radeon 9200 128 meg
soundblaster live
atx case 300 watt power supply
windows xp

$897.00 What do ya'll computer gurus think about this system and price?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

CPU is OK. Could be twice as much of RAM and it's sucky, just PC266. Take PC333 (= 2700) at least. Maybe that 9200 isn't any better than you old card. At least I'd get a 9600 series, or 9500Pro if you can get one, or FX5700 series if you prefer nVidia. SB Live isn't that modern, too. SB Live 5.1 maybe, but sure an Audigy 1 Player or Audigy 2 (Price isn't much different) is a much better card.
If you want more detailled rating: Get an Abit Mobo. They're top. Also those Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 HDDs are very good. CDRW or DVDR drives, I know Plextor makes quite good ones. As for the case, IMHO Chieftec CS-601 series roxx http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. And take a quality power supply, if possible. I'd recommend Zalman 400W (there's no lesser AFAIK).

Zayets
01-06-2004, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maxim26:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
Wooohooo!
You guys should see what computers are sold in the malls and at what price!My good!It makes you wonder how the heck they came out with that price!for $897 you can do a better system but you guys didn't checked the whole list.Only Win XP is a minimum $200 , so deduct this amount before you calculate.If tere's any drawback this is the amount of RAM.Someone said here that 1G is about to be standard for gaming nowaday.Another one could be the power supply,but this is still better than mine (250W). The CPU is very good , but I don't know what's the bus speed , this can give you extra speed.P4 2.6 is outdated only if you want to buy another computer.What do you gain if you install a P4 @3.06? 5 more fps in Jumping Jack (cool game BTW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)? GPU looks fair , although I have seen for the same price a 9600. Don't know a thing about mobo , so I can't say anything.Investing in a new architecture is worthed if you know that you can afford a new one when the big boys will hit the town this year. Is just a matter of patience IMHO. I run Slackware Linux for my regular stuffs on a P3@600Mhz with 256MB Ram and a SiS vidcard with 4MB ram . Couldn't be happier. The big machine is for my wife and games.Of course , mainly for games http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zayets out<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

$200 for Win XP man!!!! Sorry, but its not smart to pay so much when you can get Win XP home just for $70. And you will never use the features of Pro version. Its OEM version though and you have to by a piece of hardware with it. But if you buying a new PC anyway it doesnt matter.

Here is my advice. Go to eWiz.com, Newegg.com or any other reliable online store and buy components for your PC. I bought 2 PC already from Newegg and they never let me down. 2-3 days delivery from CA to WV. If you need help with choosing configuration just let me know.

If you don't have experience in putting PC together, I can help you with it also. Their is nothing to be afraid of. It's difficalt to break anything unless you will try realy hard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you need help, you can always find me using Yahoo Messenger. You will have my help in real time.

for 1000 you will have good looking aluminum case Lian Li or Cooler Master, the ones such companies like Falcon or Voodoo use for their systems. Fast processor, and top graphic card like FX5900 - $200, or Radeon 9700 Pro - $216, or Radeon 9800 Pro - $270.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Max, thx man , but was not for me , was for the original poster. I do my own computer nowaday. I do that since '95 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
Since he wrote WinXP I have assumed is the Pro version.If you take a look on sites where to buy , yes the pro version is quite expensive.Still http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
But even so , If i look again at those specs I realize now that you can have lotta more stuffs , and better for less price.Wooohoo!
Yes , scrap it man! Buy a barebone PC and insert yourself the cards you need.Ain't that hard!C'mon!Y'can do it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zayets out

horseback
01-06-2004, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhett69:
Thanks for the replies everyone .... I have about $1,000.00 to spend and have never put a computer together. That means I must buy one assembled. Please post your recomended system for the above budget.(I have monitor,speakers ect)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Start with a $20 investment into "Building PCs For Dummies" and a $10 investment in an ESD wristband. If necessary, dig out another tenner for screwdrivers. You'll be glad you did.

Don't know where you're at, Rhett, but most US supplers will sell you an OEM version of Windows XP for $100 or less with the purchase of an internal component like a hard drive or motherboard. Once you do it yourself, you'll have a lot less panic every time there's a little glitch.

Cheers

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commie1
01-06-2004, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chivas:
I've just upgraded from a P4 2.6 @ 3.0 to a AMD64 3000+ 2.0gig. The AMD runs Perfect settings faster with no clitches than the Intel system did.

To be fair the Intel system had the 400fsb and agp4, instead of the newer 800fsb and agp8.
I'm very impressed with AMD's performance at 2.0 gigs. I can overclock it to 2.2 gigs but don't see much more than a frame or two difference in speeds.

The AMD64 3000+ is cheap with great performance. You will be able to upgrade to a 3700+ before the 939 systems take over.

Although this year there will be alot of changes in CPU systems. The new stuff will require a total upgrade of Case, power supply, motherboard,etc. Its hard to say what the best route will be....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Best post of this thread so far.

I couldn't agree more with you.

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Bearcat99
01-06-2004, 03:32 PM
That is an outdated system already. That 9200 will NOT imprtess you either after spending that money. Do a little research and seriously investigate doing it yourself. It isnt as hard or as scary as you think. It was much much harder in the old days when you had to set IRQs and DMAs and all that stuff. Now it is pretty easy. Just shop around and take your time putting it together. Make sre you are grounded, have enough spavce to work,enough light and the right tools. Do some research. Good luck..

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BSS_Goat
01-07-2004, 08:15 AM
Thanks All! I may try to build my own after all.

XyZspineZyX
01-07-2004, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhett69:
Intel p4 2.6 gig
Biostar p4 motherboard
512 pc2100 ddr ram
80 gig western digital hard drive
52x24x52 cd-rw
16x dvd
10/100 network card
radeon 9200 128 meg
soundblaster live
atx case 300 watt power supply
windows xp

$897.00 What do ya'll computer gurus think about this system and price?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

rhett69,
I would suggest two things.

One: on the system above,
bigger power supply-at least 400W, better graphics card-9600pro at least, minimum of 256 more RAM-another 512 would be better.

Two;

Before you try and find a pre-built computer in your price range , might I suggest you find a "Mom & Pop" computer store in your neighborhood. Although small often they can do for you what a mega-mall store cannot.
Go to the store, meet the people. Make sure you're comfortable with their level of knowledge. Ask for, and check, a reference or two.
Here's the advantage-
Custom made to your spec. Check the GD threads for ideas as to parts. I told mine that I wanted an Alienware I could afford. I got something very close for $1000 instead of AW's $3,000 price.
Service is just around the corner instead of packing it up and waiting for a month + paying S&H in some cases.
Give it a shot before you spend your hard-earned money on a comp you may end up spending as much on to get it to work w/FB and similar graphics intensive games.

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BSS_Goat
01-08-2004, 06:41 AM
Thanks for the help Beebop