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FatBoyHK
04-19-2004, 12:57 PM
I started thinking of adding a rudder into my virtual cockpit ....Finally, some $ to spare... Last time I had it, it spent them on my Trustmaster Cougar.... and never regret...

Thrustmaster product seem to be a no-brainer choice......However, I just found out that Elite Pedel is already discontinued!... And I searched the whole web, and seem no one is selling it anymore... Anyone know where can I buy a new one?

Then I came across Simped F-16 Plus ... Seem everyone is saying it is the one to go if you want nothing but the best.... However, the price is simply unbelievible at the first sight.... 270 Euro ??? with shpping it will be 300+ Euro and it is about double of my Cougar.....

I noticed that there are some cheaper Simpeds.... alot cheaper actually, and I will miss the toe brake only (am I correct?).... Then I wanna ask, do I need toe brake? I play prop sim mainly, may be some jet / space sim but I am not in the motor-racing world.... I really doubt if the brake would worth the extra money...

and how about CH? I have never owned any CH product before.... but some year ago I had broken my friend's Flight Stick Pro just after 30 minute of dogfight, so I do think CH isn't any good....

difficult decision, anyone can help me?

FatBoyHK
04-19-2004, 12:57 PM
I started thinking of adding a rudder into my virtual cockpit ....Finally, some $ to spare... Last time I had it, it spent them on my Trustmaster Cougar.... and never regret...

Thrustmaster product seem to be a no-brainer choice......However, I just found out that Elite Pedel is already discontinued!... And I searched the whole web, and seem no one is selling it anymore... Anyone know where can I buy a new one?

Then I came across Simped F-16 Plus ... Seem everyone is saying it is the one to go if you want nothing but the best.... However, the price is simply unbelievible at the first sight.... 270 Euro ??? with shpping it will be 300+ Euro and it is about double of my Cougar.....

I noticed that there are some cheaper Simpeds.... alot cheaper actually, and I will miss the toe brake only (am I correct?).... Then I wanna ask, do I need toe brake? I play prop sim mainly, may be some jet / space sim but I am not in the motor-racing world.... I really doubt if the brake would worth the extra money...

and how about CH? I have never owned any CH product before.... but some year ago I had broken my friend's Flight Stick Pro just after 30 minute of dogfight, so I do think CH isn't any good....

difficult decision, anyone can help me?

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-19-2004, 01:42 PM
I've heard many good thing regarding Simped pedals although I have no experience with them. I do, however, have extensive experience with the CH Pro pedals. I would highly recommend them to anyone who intends on using them for flight sims of any sort. (they even have little rubber stoppers you can insert to limit travel in the event you want to use them for drivinhg sims...ick!)

The Ch operate "similarly" to real rudder pedals in that they have opposing travel and they have a toe brake. Mine are almost a year old and operate like the day I bought them. That's saying alot as I averaged over 2 hours a day flying for over a year before I contracted with my Wife and limited my flying time to 2-3 days a week. ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif but i just fly for longer periods )

Your FlightStick Pro incident sounds very much like an isolated, rare occurrence. I have 5 CH controllers. (one I've had for over 10 years!) and have NEVER broken one yet.

The choice is yours, obviously, and a $250 set of Simpeds would be cool, but I'd go the CH route and put the other $125 towards a new 6800 Ultra http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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steve_v
04-19-2004, 01:45 PM
I have been very pleased with my CH Pro usb pedals. They are in use with a Saitek x45 and both perform well.

Enofinu
04-19-2004, 01:54 PM
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Simped is number 1. thats the link if u want to buy those http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TX-EcoDragon
04-19-2004, 02:14 PM
CH works fine for me, but here are the faults that I have had with mine.

They are, like most other pedals out there for less then $800, very light action, and narrow compared to actual pedals in most aircraft. The toe brakes themselves are extrememly light, lighter than most car accelerator pedals, the wiring is VERY thin inside, and there wasn't much extra strain relief length in mine so the left toe brake wire was cut with normal (well, maybe alittle above normal) use after about 8 months. This was not hard for me to fix, though getting the case back together is something of a pain, so I decided to redo some of the wiring to prevent me from needing to take it apart again. Now that I have I am comfortable that I will heave these pedals for a long time, making their cost something rather easy to ignore ($109 USD), just like the other CH things I have owned.

I have used PFC and they are probably the best PC pedals for the price at $395 USD

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I have also used TM/Elite, and found the travel and feel of them to be peculiar because of the linkage system.

I would either get the PFC set above or the CH. (would *I* really pay 4x the price for a stronger and more realistic feeling pedal for a game? Nope! I use the PFC set at our flying club and they are top notch though)

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FatBoyHK
04-19-2004, 02:42 PM
$395 may be a little bit crazy for me :P

About CH pedal, I need a gameport version so that I can plug it into my Cougar. However, seem there is no more gamepad pedal available.... can I use a convertor (if any)? Otherwise CH will be definitely out of my consideration...

and how about Elite Pedal, do anyone know where I can found a new one?

and the toe brake, is it useful in FB? and any other CFS? I need to make sure before I really go to order a Simped F-16....

FatBoyHK
04-19-2004, 10:55 PM
bump! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rssmps
04-20-2004, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
About CH pedal, I need a gameport version so that I can plug it into my Cougar. However, seem there is no more gamepad pedal available....
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are you sure? check amazon. I got mine a couple of months ago.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
can I use a convertor (if any)? Otherwise CH will be definitely out of my consideration...

and how about Elite Pedal, do anyone know where I can found a new one?

and the toe brake, is it useful in FB? and any other CFS? I need to make sure before I really go to order a Simped F-16....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think you HAVE to have gameport. USB should work with cougar also. But if you want gameport and use the toebrake, then look here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=464107642&r=701107052

x6BL_Brando
04-20-2004, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> and how about CH? I have never owned any CH product before.... but some year ago I had broken my friend's Flight Stick Pro just after 30 minute of dogfight, so I do think CH isn't any good....
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Strange..... I've been flying with a FighterStick/Pro pedals combo for nearly two years and only had two problems. One was self inflicted - I over-cooked a switch in the stick when I was soldering it into a new position (mine is converted for left hand).

Just recently I lost toe braking in the pedals - those thin wires! - but I went in and did the necessary repair and everything is fine now. As with the stick, I found myself marvelling at the rugged construction of the CH gear

FatBoyHK
04-20-2004, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
Strange..... I've been flying with a FighterStick/Pro pedals combo for nearly two years and only had two problems. One was self inflicted - I over-cooked a switch in the stick when I was soldering it into a new position (mine is converted for left hand).

Just recently I lost toe braking in the pedals - those thin wires! - but I went in and did the necessary repair and everything is fine now. As with the stick, I found myself marvelling at the rugged construction of the CH gear<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

May be it is only me, I have a bad reputation of breaking things http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (I completely worn out my FLCS + TQS combo in 3 years... I heard people are still using it after 6 or 7 years...)

michapma
04-20-2004, 05:21 AM
I use the CH Pro (USB) pedals with a Cougar. Get the USB pedals, you won't need to connect them through the Cougar. Funny how even 6 USB slots aren't enough these days. Let's see:

1) Mouse
2) TrackIR
3) Cougar
4) CH pedals
5) printer
6) scanner or whatever else temporarily needs USB, such as digi cam

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FatBoyHK
04-20-2004, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michapma:
I use the CH Pro (USB) pedals with a Cougar. Get the USB pedals, you won't need to connect them through the Cougar. Funny how even 6 USB slots aren't enough these days. Let's see:

1) Mouse
2) TrackIR
3) Cougar
4) CH pedals
5) printer
6) scanner or whatever else temporarily needs USB, such as digi cam

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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I heard that if you want to program the axis of the rudder, you need to plug it into a Cougar, and let the Cougar take over the control.

but on the negative side, if you plug it this way, Cougar will ignore the toe brakes... You need to do some modding inside the Pedal in order to enable it back..... quite troublesome...

However, this is the only way to take the most of the Cougar/CH combo, especially when a game support only one controller....

Am I correct?

WWSensei
04-20-2004, 06:43 AM
Bought Simped-Varios about a year ago and absolutely love them. Very smooth, sturdy and operate like real rudder pedals...

You can adjust the width as well to suit your personal preference. The Hall Sensors make for real nice precision as well.

FatBoyHK
04-20-2004, 10:44 AM
I just found than Simped Vario Pro + SimBrake is cheaper than Simped F16+ (256Euro vs 270 Euro )..... and it is certain that both woud be the same in term of functionality (Vario Pro will have a rudder travel of 8 cm, vs F-16+'s 4cm, and this is the only difference...) This is tricky business!!

FatBoyHK
04-20-2004, 10:54 AM
Also, I found that Vario Pro's main advantage is that it provides 3 different response curves for you to choose from... But with Cougar, you can do it by software, and in this way, can I say that I can just buy a Simped Vario (119 Euro), and not upgrade it when SimpBrake (128 Euro) until games with defferenital braking come out ?

jeroen-79
04-20-2004, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rssmps:
I don't think you HAVE to have gameport. USB should work with cougar also. But if you want gameport and use the toebrake, then look here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=464107642&r=701107052<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you want to use the pedals on the Cougar's pedalport then you'll need a gameport rudder or modify a USB rudder.

To use toebrakes you need to modify some gameport rudders. (CH Pro)
Others are made to be compatible with the Cougar.

You won't need to do anything special if you want to use the rudder as a second controller but your game must support multiple controllers.

An overview: http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=47510&highlight=pedals

FatBoyHK
04-20-2004, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeroen-79:
If you want to use the pedals on the Cougar's pedalport then you'll need a gameport rudder or modify a USB rudder.

To use toebrakes you need to modify some gameport rudders. (CH Pro)
Others are made to be compatible with the Cougar.

You won't need to do anything special if you want to use the rudder as a second controller but your game must support multiple controllers.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I assume FB support multiple controller, right?

In this case, with Cougar already in place I can plug a CH Pro USB Pedal into another USB port, and then I can use its rudder axis as well as its toe brake axis?

[This message was edited by FatBoyHK on Tue April 20 2004 at 12:57 PM.]

[This message was edited by FatBoyHK on Tue April 20 2004 at 08:48 PM.]

johann_thor
04-20-2004, 03:08 PM
i am very happy with my cougar and CH pro combo

Bearcat99
04-20-2004, 03:12 PM
From what I hear the Simpeds are the best but I cant say. I have CH and they are great so far. No problems at all. If/when they die i will most likely get the simpeds.. I know I will be simming till I am old and grey.

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FatBoyHK
04-20-2004, 10:33 PM
bump!

bolox00
04-21-2004, 05:36 AM
i've owned a set of elites for 5 years and they are still going strong- i wouldn't decribe my use of them as particularly gentle - and they work great with my cougar- if you can find a set (ebay?) i'd recommend them

if other options are too expensive have you considered making a set?http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=8a5b9a084bbafcdfa90817509c2da67c&threadid=45637&highlight=rudder

wiring diag
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=8a5b9a084bbafcdfa90817509c2da67c&threadid=35964&highlight=rudder

mad idea
and even if you get a usb ruder you can always wire in upto 3 axes of 'controller' through your cougar this way-( my 'toebrakes' are a prop pitch/ mixture quadrant)- with foxy there are alot of possibilities!

hope this is useful

FatBoyHK
04-21-2004, 02:01 PM
I hope someone with simped can answer my questions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FatBoyHK
04-24-2004, 06:15 AM
Finally, I made up my mind and ordered a Simped Vario Pro...... and I would wait for a game which support differential brake, when that time finally come, I will go for SimBrake....

I hope I have made a right decision http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif