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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 08:12 AM
(clears throat, steps onto soapbox, adjusts microphone)

THANK YOU OLEG AND MADDOX. I can imagine how frustrating it is to work long and hard on a patch that addresses issues brought to your attention by the fanbase that supports your product and labor of love, only to have your sponsor and distributor release the wrong final version. I can also imagine how frustrating it would be to work for YEARS on what will become the best prop flight simulator of PC history, only to be harassed mercilessly by those to whom you owe your existence as a successful software developer when data recorded by at least 4 warring nations 58-63 years ago isn't represented accurately to the 10th decimal point. The Il2 series is a quantum leap ahead for WW2 flight enthusiasts, and I will continue to fly your planes and use your product until I can get enough parts together to build myself a real FW190-D9 and settle this crap once and for all.

(looks around nervously, steps down from soapbox, and runs for cover.)

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 08:12 AM
(clears throat, steps onto soapbox, adjusts microphone)

THANK YOU OLEG AND MADDOX. I can imagine how frustrating it is to work long and hard on a patch that addresses issues brought to your attention by the fanbase that supports your product and labor of love, only to have your sponsor and distributor release the wrong final version. I can also imagine how frustrating it would be to work for YEARS on what will become the best prop flight simulator of PC history, only to be harassed mercilessly by those to whom you owe your existence as a successful software developer when data recorded by at least 4 warring nations 58-63 years ago isn't represented accurately to the 10th decimal point. The Il2 series is a quantum leap ahead for WW2 flight enthusiasts, and I will continue to fly your planes and use your product until I can get enough parts together to build myself a real FW190-D9 and settle this crap once and for all.

(looks around nervously, steps down from soapbox, and runs for cover.)

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 06:03 PM
Hear hear !

*Applauds with a stern look on the bypassers - why aren't they applauding ?*

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:08 AM
Your nose is also brown.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:28 AM
A lot of the people around here would complain about a free lunch. Oleg and his team have developed a very good game here. It has some bugs and they are getting addressed. Even if the game was flawless there would be people complaining. This planes to slow, its doesnt turn fast enough, it handles funny on the ground, the paints chipped, my computer is dusty, I get shot down all the time so make my plane better etc etc etc. I for one wouldnt care if he never changed anything else on any FM. Clear up any sound or video bugs and say screw it. Maybe what he needs to do is to open the code so everyone can make thier planes fly and shoot the way they want them to. CFS with better graphics lol. No matter what Oleg does it will never be good enough for a few. I was impressed with the game when I got it, and I am still impressed with it.
Cheers Oleg and team!

Ok, now all you, "Your just sucking up to Oleg, Hes only after your money, He owes us, He cheated us, He's biased, He sold out, He was pressured into it, Hes wrong, He wont listen to us" or what ever else may drive your ill feelings toward him and or his staff can add your mindless rhetoric as you always do. This is where the "Is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" comes into play.


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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 12:33 AM
It's hard for me to give much respect to someone who can't admit they are wrong.

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:51 PM
..and there it takes off again... sounds like an annoying mosquito... weeeeeeeeeee..wiiiiiiiiinee...


get yourself Donkey Kong....(buhuhu it is not even close to a real monkey buhuhuhuhu)

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BTW... u are WRONG whining,.. admit it ;-)

Message Edited on 09/08/0310:53PM by F19_Orheim

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 08:40 PM
~S~

Cheers to the Maddox Team for this fantastic Sim.

There is great anticipation for the end of year holidays as this is the logical time to see an add-on CD available with new maps and aircraft. Hope I'm correct !

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 08:58 PM
"BTW... u are WRONG whining,.. admit it ;-)"

For those of us who aren't mature enough and still group whining in with stating verifiable errors.....

GET A LIFE.

I sure hope you never get a real job, where a real person will tell you, to your face, that you made a real mistake. You call that person a whiner and you'll be shown the door.

I never said he didn't do a good job making this game, and if you would take the time to read my other posts you would know this. When someone does something, and makes a mistake, and won't fess up to it, I lose respect for that person. Most people I know feel the same way.

To error is human....to admit it is devine.....

Message Edited on 09/08/0308:01PM by waterinthefuel

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 09:16 PM
Multimetal wrote:


I will continue to fly your planes
- and use your product until I can get enough parts
- together to build myself a real FW190-D9 and settle
- this crap once and for all.


well what can i say sell the car the wife the kids the house and buy a new one they are being built as we plan to sell your family /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

see http://www.flugwerk.com/new/fw190/fw190.shtm


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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 09:45 PM
waterinthefuel ,,, My mistake ... if it was not whining... and I think I am mature enough to admit I was wrong... in this case.

And I do believe you can understand one's oversensetivity when it comes to this forum.., this place roam with negativity...

However(!!!!) I totally disagree with u IF u imply that mr O does not deserve respect.

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Message Edited on 09/09/03 12:48AM by F19_Orheim

Message Edited on 09/09/0312:49AM by F19_Orheim

Dark_Knight_667
09-08-2003, 09:48 PM
Negativity is an understatement..I can understand why Oleg doesn't come in here..

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 10:55 PM
Of course he doesn't want to come in here. Who wants to see overwhelming evidence that there are dozens upon dozens of problems with a game you developed?

You should read his reply when someone says he's wrong. If he does bother to reply, its simply saying "I'm right, your wrong." Someone like that doesn't deserve respect, I don't care who they are.

If you think they do, you must be a liberal. Oh wait, they stated no namecalling in the terms of service for this board. I apologize....

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:30 AM
Seems that you are still having trouble with this... and beeing upset takes to much energy from more important stuff than a game... my advice for u is still: buy Donkey Kong and get rid of IL2... u shouldn't live your life bitter



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 01:48 PM
Respect is due to all human beings, by default. I add the sincere admiration for a great job done by the whole Il2 team.

They have created a wonderful software program that I use everyday as a diversion, a learning tool and also a way to meet people online (not that I'd call them friends, but it's nice people I like to play with).

No wonder people are giving their input and demand vocally that things be fixed: this is because the software is being used a lot. It HAS problems, so I don't think it's fair to dismiss them, unless we want them to be transferred into the next sim. How will Oleg know that we want more wingmen commands or a dynamic campaign if we don't say it here?

Anyway, the patch was quite good (confronting it with 1.0, the others were just "tests"), so please bring the add-on CD to the stores, I'll be in the line waiting!

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:25 PM
Oleg da man! and the supernatural! God knows how long and countless nights he spent at the office, working without coming home!

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:26 PM
Oleg da man! and the supernatural! Who knows how long and countless nights he spent at the office, working without coming home!

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ZG77_Nagual
09-09-2003, 09:16 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:34 PM
Countless nights flying offline, flying online, making missions, watching tracks....

All for forty USD.

Thank you, sir.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:52 PM
BA_Dart wrote:
- Countless nights flying offline, flying online,
- making missions, watching tracks....
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- All for forty USD.
-
- Thank you, sir.
-
-

40? So he sold one copy of this game? I think not. I do believe that the company selling this software is making millions off of it. A game sold worldwide makes a lot of money.

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:01 AM
BA_Dart wrote:
- Countless nights flying offline, flying online,
- making missions, watching tracks....
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- All for forty USD.
-
- Thank you, sir.
-
-

Hehehehe well said.. I am just back from a campaign mission (with the brewster: I love it) and I was thinking the same. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:02 AM
WaterintheFuel this post sounds like it is trying to be a positive, your whinging/whining/complaining/constructive criticism whatever you like to call it, is really not adding anything, start another post with your complaints if you are not happy. Oleg has been known to admit he is wrong occasionally /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif when useful evidence is given, not just because someone thinks things should be this way or that, maybe some of the data he has is not correct but then again a lot of the people who complain about certain features are not correct either, this IMO is the best peice of entertainment Ive ever come across, again IMO the creator of that deserves some respect and support.

JG4_Tiger

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:24 AM
Here here to the guy who started this thread.

Its true that there is too much demands for this that and the other. We've been sold and incredible product and there are probably few here to think that it hasn't earned its weight in gold.

That being said, many people here have taken extraordinary amounts of extra time and effort to dig up research on various aircraft in an attempt to make what we have even more accurate. To err is human...but we'll try and support the developers to make it right.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 08:22 AM
roger over and out. Moderator.., could u close this up....?

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 08:26 AM
I totally agree with first poster. IL-2 Sturmovik has given me great pleasure during the last 1,5 years. This sim has been an eye-opener for me regarding the war fought in the East, I've bought books about the subject and have gained new knowledge about this forgotten (at least here in the West) part of the war.

I've seen wonderful types of aircraft that I didn't know existed, not restored to static display in a museum but flying in action, battle weary and paint flaking, like they were 60 years ago. It seems to me that they handle, sound and behave like they should, landscape and surroundings look authentic and an impressive array of vehicles, ground objects and ships make the immersion complete.

An enormous effort has been made by the developers to ensure historical accuracy, and I have great respect for them. Since the original IL-2 most problems have been fixed and the game has been enhanced several times, for free!

There has been a lot of complaining in these forums about various aircraft that according to the posters do not behave like he wants it to. I myself trust that Maddox team has done their research properly and if an aircraft in the sim doesn't turn or roll as fast as someone wants it to then I don't care. Most of these aircraft don't fly anymore (or even exist) in RL and it's impossible to prove anything after all these years anyway. It's near enough for me, and I enjoy it no less if some roll-rate is a little bit off.

And to all those whining "I want my P47/P38/Spitfire/whatever flying in the Pacific/Med/West/wherever turning/rolling/shooting the way I want" I wish to point out that this is a sim about the war in the East, the aircraft are those that actually flew on this front, behaving like history recorded (at least Russian history, because we in the West didn't care). Look at the box: it says IL-2 Sturmovik. The original IL-2 package even has a picture of a battle scarred Stormovik on it. That picture made me buy the game. I didn't want a gleaming new F4 Corsair shooting down jap aircraft in fast succession over a featureless pacific sea, if I did I would have bought CFS3....

I hope that Maddox team will spend their valuable time developing the IL-2 Sturmovik further, keeping the "spirit" of the original IL-2, and not turn it into a F4 vs Zero shoot'em-up-as-fast-as-you-can type of arcade game.

My respect to Oleg/Maddox Team and UBI!!

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 08:46 AM
hi,

hmm ...in general ..a developer has a future if he is able to learn from old mistakes..

I miss some normal high standards ...for example: sound issues and advanced cockpit views in this PC-Game ....

the way of discussion in the way of 'you are wrong' isn't the method to get more sucsess in the future.


this developer(including the publisher) and other in this genre should leearn more of high standard in service and support as 'Dell' and other companies in the IT business...

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 01:25 PM
Tiger27 wrote:
- WaterintheFuel this post sounds like it is trying to
- be a positive, your
- whinging/whining/complaining/constructive criticism
- whatever you like to call it, is really not adding
- anything, start another post with your complaints if
- you are not happy. Oleg has been known to admit he
- is wrong occasionally /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif when useful evidence is given,
- not just because someone thinks things should be
- this way or that, maybe some of the data he has is
- not correct but then again a lot of the people who
- complain about certain features are not correct
- either, this IMO is the best peice of entertainment
- Ive ever come across, again IMO the creator of that
- deserves some respect and support.
-
- JG4_Tiger


It is dude, it really is. I always try to be as positive as possible. I also try to always admit my mistakes. If you are man enough to admit them, your respect will skyrocket. If you claim to always be right, engineer or not, noone will respect you.

Been known to admit he's wrong? Like when the Ju-87 gear would fly off, and it took dozens of screenshots for him to finally admit it? Hmmmm......

I'm not adding anything? Well then, neither are you. I stayed on topic for the post, you began bashing someone personally. Maybe you should take a look through the "camera on the wall."

I'll be the first to admit, I have very very little clue how the original planes looped, rolled, flew, etc. You'll also never be able to find a post where I state otherwise. I'll never state things in the game were wrong on my own, I'll look at others who post copies of original flight documents. Whenever I see someone posting original documents with original flight data and Oleg says its wrong, it just strikes me as someone with a big ego and no proof. I'm sorry. If the data is wrong, then he should have the capability to prove that. I'm not nit picky either. I don't care about a 4 degree per second roll difference, but if a plane is known for its dive ability (like the p-47) but in the game it fails to do it well, then that issue should be addressed. I'm for the major stuff, minor things, nah, not worth my time.

I'm tired of beating a dead horse. I've said it before, it's a great game, but due to its bugs and innaccuracies, can be made even better.

Let's not settle for "good enough." We paid good money for this piece of software. I bought it thinking it was historically accurate. You don't get your money back on software, so I'm going to demand I get what I paid for. You other people can do what you wish, but if I shuck out 40 bucks, I want 40 bucks of software. Considering I'm a college grad making a tick above minimum wage working the 3rd shift, I have to get the most for every penny I earn.