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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 08:04 PM
I was intrigued about reading Werner Molders story - that he refused to wear any military insignia of Nazi Germany because he didn't want any connection with Hitler's "henious regime."

Were there any other pilots (either on the German or Russian side) who held the same beliefs? I just think its real interesting that they would continue to fight for something they didn't believe in.

If anyone knows any good books about this or any other place I can find more information about this I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 08:04 PM
I was intrigued about reading Werner Molders story - that he refused to wear any military insignia of Nazi Germany because he didn't want any connection with Hitler's "henious regime."

Were there any other pilots (either on the German or Russian side) who held the same beliefs? I just think its real interesting that they would continue to fight for something they didn't believe in.

If anyone knows any good books about this or any other place I can find more information about this I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 08:36 PM
i would think there were more pilots with the same beliefs but i do know for sure that some of Hitlers closest officers and Generals didnt like his ideas either and even some of them tried to have him assisnated.

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 08:42 PM
Its just like prison, Everyone says they are innocent

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 09:56 PM
Military duty and Political duty are not the same concepts.

I think you will find that most soldiers throughout history were driven more by a sense of patrotism and less by any devotion to politics.

Consider the political employment of propaganda.

Is it possible that all Germans were evil, that no German was capable of moral judgement?

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The link is a book titled:
Voices from the Third Reich
by Johannes Steinhoff, Peter Pechel and Dennis Showalter


Johanees Steinhoff was a fighter pilot on the Eastern Front in WWII.



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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:09 AM
Interesting post.....no easy answers.

XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:11 AM
Moelders was a revolutionary, to me.

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:32 AM
From what I've read, the way I understand it is that Molders was fine with wearing his uniform with it's Nazi emblems until he heard of the executions of Catholics being committed by the Nazis. Molders, being a Catholic himself, was appalled, and sent his medals and Nazi membership badge back to Nazi HQ, saying he would be a part of this system. His death a few weeks later has been seen by some as the work of the Nazi party, removing someone who could severly damage the propaganda system. He was buried with full military and Nazi honours, so as not to give the public the wrong impression. Molders was as useful to the Nazis dead as when he was alive

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:36 AM
Well Molders peer, Adolf Galland is an interesting character in that he stuck to his views and was not a "party lap dog" (to coin a phrase), which lead to some fiery incidents with his boss (Goring).

If you have not read it, one of his books, The First and The Last, is an excellent (an insightful) look into the Luftwaffe at war (abeit from an essentially Western front viewpoint) and some of the struggles and conflicts that arose within the service as the war progressed. Definately worth looking into.

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