PDA

View Full Version : Bomber Intecept



XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 09:30 PM
Hi all,

I am just looking for some tips on taking on bombers. Should I attack from the rear or from above? Is it better to kill the pilot,if possible, or take out an engine(s)?

Thanks all

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 09:30 PM
Hi all,

I am just looking for some tips on taking on bombers. Should I attack from the rear or from above? Is it better to kill the pilot,if possible, or take out an engine(s)?

Thanks all

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 10:07 PM
If you attack a TB-3 its from below.this is very hard to kill so go for the engines

HE-111 is from above and ahead.Try the cockpit there is loads of perspex

basically you try to attack any where the guns cant train

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 10:16 PM
attacking from extreme angles from the rear and above bombers is always effective. Come in almost vertically and don't pull out until you've passed below the gunners cone of fire. Aim for the fuselage where the wings meet. This area is encumbered w/ the most structural stress during flight it also typically houses fuel. Even minor damage in this area can snowball into explosion, disintegration, or wing loss.

In general, the harder you make your own shot, the harder the gunners shot will be.

not only is an attacking plane coming in from high above a difficult defection shot, but the gunner only has a couple of seconds to fire, thus robbing him of the ability to "hone in". Unfortunately, your own shot becomes more difficult for the same reasons. On the plus side, you've a much larger target to attack.

<center> http://webpages.charter.net/Stick_Fiend/images/buck1.gif <font size= 2>
"I don't think it's quite fair to condemn the whole program because of a single slip up"
<a href="http://webpages.charter.net/Stick_Fiend/"> <font size= 1>Stick_Fiend Home<a/>
<a href="http://webpages.charter.net/Stick_Fiend/X45.htm"> <font size= 1>X45 Profiles<a/>
<a href="http://webpages.charter.net/Stick_Fiend/FYLindex.htm"> <font size= 1>Fighting for Your Life<a/></center>

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:36 PM
I usually like to try and approach the bomber from above and at a 7 or 4 o'clock angle from the target. Once in position I either dive in and drop in below and behind or from the top down and pass just behind the bomber at close range with guns going.

In both cases I think it gives me the most ability to disengage quickly and have high levels of energy built up as the attack is made. Still perfecting the skills on that however http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/icefire/icefire_tempest.jpg
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." - Winston Churchill

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:57 PM
From 12 o'clock high, just like the British did in their Spitfires. No counter-measures for that!

A German bomber pilot said in an interview on a Wings episode, "Zay vould dive straight down and shoot from above and break up za formation. It was very impressive. It vas not so impressive at za time, but in retrospect it really vas."

He really sounded... impressed.



"Official Lancaster Whiner"

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 12:35 AM
First pass, try to do a head on. Then to a looping turn and do diving slashing attacks in a zig zag.


No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 01:00 AM
NEVER attack the Pe-8 from the rear, you will regret it.
A Pe-8 is best attacked from 11 to 1 high, this arc will
make it difficult on defensive gunners and will give you
the highest closing speed, shortening the window in which
you will take fire. Just try taking on formations of Pe-8
bombers in a Me-262. Go for at least 16 set on veteran,
THAT will be an excellent trainer on how to attack.

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-"
-Major General John Sedgwich, Battle of Spotsylvania

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 02:01 AM
my bomber killer tip in the 262 is to come in perpendicular to the bombers flightpath and at the same height, maybe a little ahead of the plane also. I do that from a dive so my speed is at its peak and with thier own wing and engines in the way, the gunners can do little untill you pass under/over but then your opening away at a huge speed. Also, if your shots are good, the bomber will be going down or the crew will at least be bailing as your shots land onto the cockpit, leading edges of the wing the engines and the rest of the wing in general. Its hard, and if your like me, you'll miss alot, but you'll live and the bomber gets little to no firing time on you. That works beautifully on the Pe-8 as it has no waist gunner positions and is therefor vulnerable. Also its lower guns can't touch you. Just my ideas, they may not work for all.

FuryFighter



Message Edited on 10/15/0311:02AM by FuryFighter

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 09:43 AM
Well, nice tactics, but obviously assuming that your target does little or no evasive maneuvers.

I'm flying bombers, mainly the He-111-H6, and while she lacks defensive gunning capability, she's quite fast and maneuverable.

I've been gunned down numerous times, but I'va also very often evade an attack, either partially or even completely. My best evasion success so far was against an attacking Bf-109 K-4. I saw him coming in at high speed, and when he was about 1.60 away, I hit full flaps, reduced power to 0% and entered a tight right downward turn. That way, I changed my heading too fast for him to follow me, and he went past me without hitting anything.
On his second approach, he took more care, but only hit me a little, causing one fuel leak.

He got me a few minutes later, but the point is, one can defend himself at least for some time in a bomber. Of course, these efforts only delay taking heavy hits if your enemy is a good fighter pilot. But if friendly fighters are nearby, some good evasive action can buy them time to drive the enemy off or even down him, since many fighter pilots forget to watch their own six when engaging what they think to be an easy target.

Also, if you fly with one or two other bombers, this adds some extra protection as well, if done well.


Hm, maybe I shouldnt have told you all this, but then again, I expect that some of you fighter pilots keep this in mind... so the fighting will be more challenging for all.



- Future


P.S.: One more word of advice: always fly in a way so you can evade ramming your target. I've often been downed by over-confident fighter jockeys that forgot to pull away at the right moment while they were trying to shoot me. And theres no point in that. If you like ramming, go and play "Destruction Derby" and stay away from FB.

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 11:18 AM
The kill I'm most proud of is a Pe-8 that I got while playing the 109 fighter campaign in the original Il-2. I flew the Bf109F2 with only 2x7.92 and a 15mm cannon so downing this beast seemed almost inpossible. But I attacked from really high above from 6 o'clock spraying the entire hull with MG and cannon fire from the cockpit to the tail, and to my amazement the lumbering gigant started to bank to the right and eventually crashed into the woods with the crew bailing. That is, the crew minus one dead pilot!

The point being that even with very weak armament you can down most bombers with the right tactics. This one worked for me.

S!

<center>



http://www.fornberg.com/109k4.jpg
</center>
<center>
<div style="width:400;color:F0FFFF;fontsize:11pt;filter: glow[color=black,strength=4)">
The Flettner tab won the war

Tully__
10-15-2003, 11:27 AM
It varies from target to target, depending on where their defensive positions are, but in general head on or high deflection shots are safest. If your gunnery skills are up to it they're also most effective.

<center> ================================================== ========================= </center>

<center> <img src=http://members.optusnet.com.au/tully_78th/Corsair.jpg> </center>

<center> The "under performing planes" thread (http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=35;t=007540) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </center>
<center> Forum Terms of Use (http://www.ubi.com/US/Info/TermsOfUse.htm) </center>
<center><font size="-2" color="#88aadd">IL2 Forums Moderator</font></center>


Salut
Tully

Zayets
10-15-2003, 11:30 AM
nice to see you back Tully

Zayets out

http://www.arr.go.ro/iar81c.JPG