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matt89connor
06-07-2017, 08:12 AM
Let's see together:
- in the beta everyone said "good fight" at the end of a fight.
- there were no major differences of gears (few had reached rep.1).
- throwing an enemy down into a ditch or something else, it was not "unfair".
- in the dominion mode, everybody went for his own.
- revenge mode was useful, but it did not always save you.
- people were attacking a lot and aren't too able to block an attack especially assassin (just few knew how to make PARRY).
-Turtle meta did not exist.
- Valk Shugoki and LB were not there.
Now, many of these points can not be restored, but what can we do, and the UBI, to give us the fun of the BETA period?

S0Mi_xD
06-07-2017, 08:32 AM
Let's see together:
- in the beta everyone said "good fight" at the end of a fight.
- there were no major differences of gears (few had reached rep.1).
- throwing an enemy down into a ditch or something else, it was not "unfair".
- in the dominion mode, everybody went for his own.
- revenge mode was useful, but it did not always save you.
- people were attacking a lot and aren't too able to block an attack especially assassin (just few knew how to make PARRY).
-Turtle meta did not exist.
- Valk Shugoki and LB were not there.
Now, many of these points can not be restored, but what can we do, and the UBI, to give us the fun of the BETA period?

Changing peoples mindset ... so brainwash or hynosis?

matt89connor
06-07-2017, 08:46 AM
Changing peoples mindset ... so brainwash or hynosis?

XD maybe is more simple than this...a few of this points can be restored or become similar in the game how it is now

Epoqx
06-07-2017, 10:46 AM
The only single reason why you guys think beta was better, was because everyone at that time was discovering the game. The rest are just consequences of it.

At that time, everyone had the same skill, becaus no one had time to really understand and learn everything about the mechanics of the game.

The game as evolved, the players too. There is a bigger skill and gear hole between that playerbase.

Every game goes that way, and i suspect that if you think it was better at that time, that's probably because you didn't followed the flow of the game since.

XxHunterHxX
06-07-2017, 11:11 AM
The only single reason why you guys think beta was better, was because everyone at that time was discovering the game. The rest are just consequences of it.

At that time, everyone had the same skill, becaus no one had time to really understand and learn everything about the mechanics of the game.

The game as evolved, the players too. There is a bigger skill and gear hole between that playerbase.

Every game goes that way, and i suspect that if you think it was better at that time, that's probably because you didn't followed the flow of the game since.


WRONG !

1. they nerfed all caracters to the ground making only a few moves in each caracters set of moves good to use so why bother using all the moves a caracter has if only 2 or 3 of them actualy do dmg or help you win ?

2.they had a ideea of how the caracters wold work some good vs fast caracters some good vs slow caracters and so on each caracter had a counter now all that is trash coz people want all caracters to be "ballanced" meaning all caracters should do the same dmg or have the same rage etc

3.people actualy wanted a fair fight in games....now its all about who spams better and who lands a lucky gb so he can push you off ez

4.All the caracters had a unique play to them now all ir the same....since they nerfed them....fight vs fast caracters ? use only light atacks and gb to win fight vs slow caracters parry gb heavy win and NEVER EVER atack first turtle up and w8 for the parry in to gb why ? coz you nerf the caracters we have 0 pay off to start a fight before it didnt work like that it was a 50/50 chance to do dmg or ghet something out of it...

5 You changed the stats....when all you had to do was just nerf the dmg of revenge mode a little + make it so you ghet it a little slower and problem solved BUT NO you changed all the stats so you make more money making people buy steel so they upgrade caracters again

the list is big but what is the point we ir wasting our time....no one cares

Aarpian
06-07-2017, 12:08 PM
The only single reason why you guys think beta was better, was because everyone at that time was discovering the game. The rest are just consequences of it.

At that time, everyone had the same skill, becaus no one had time to really understand and learn everything about the mechanics of the game.

The game as evolved, the players too. There is a bigger skill and gear hole between that playerbase.

Every game goes that way, and i suspect that if you think it was better at that time, that's probably because you didn't followed the flow of the game since.

Correct answer

Blasto95
06-07-2017, 12:44 PM
WRONG !

1. they nerfed all caracters to the ground making only a few moves in each caracters set of moves good to use so why bother using all the moves a caracter has if only 2 or 3 of them actualy do dmg or help you win ?

2.they had a ideea of how the caracters wold work some good vs fast caracters some good vs slow caracters and so on each caracter had a counter now all that is trash coz people want all caracters to be "ballanced" meaning all caracters should do the same dmg or have the same rage etc

3.people actualy wanted a fair fight in games....now its all about who spams better and who lands a lucky gb so he can push you off ez

4.All the caracters had a unique play to them now all ir the same....since they nerfed them....fight vs fast caracters ? use only light atacks and gb to win fight vs slow caracters parry gb heavy win and NEVER EVER atack first turtle up and w8 for the parry in to gb why ? coz you nerf the caracters we have 0 pay off to start a fight before it didnt work like that it was a 50/50 chance to do dmg or ghet something out of it...

5 You changed the stats....when all you had to do was just nerf the dmg of revenge mode a little + make it so you ghet it a little slower and problem solved BUT NO you changed all the stats so you make more money making people buy steel so they upgrade caracters again

the list is big but what is the point we ir wasting our time....no one cares

Just so much is wrong on this lol. And whats not wrong is pure opinion....

Please list some of these characters that were nerfed to the point where only 2 or 3 moves are good. I only remember PK being nerfed around beta, and Kensei got a buff.

Besides Kensei, name one hero who needs a buff majorly right now. No one is lacking that much. Warlord has been on top, but for good reason, hes really strong and not OP. PK has been nerfed 100 times, Warden is perfectly balanced and strong, and many other heroes serve roles, they're just not in the current meta.

People wanted fair fights before and not now? Opinion

I mean the combat is not as simple as, oh hes fast im gonna use light attack! But ya if thats your strategy, go for it.

And lastly. Another opinion. Plenty of people are perfectly fine with the stat changes, or could not care one bit. And you seriously havent goten over the fact you had to change your gear...seriously? you thought it would be 108 gear forever? Thats what youre saying, you wanted 108 to stay and all your gear stats. What did you expect to happen when they raised the gear level...to gift you free gear?

Gastgrinder
06-07-2017, 01:19 PM
Warden is perfectly balanced and strong

This is your definition of perfect balanced and strong???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L1PyfJfnSc

For me it is stupid and boring...

Blasto95
06-07-2017, 01:28 PM
I mean ya...the title says it all. "NOOB SLAYER COMBO"

All I had to do was watch the first 10 seconds to know the level of competition he was up against. Top light landed, ok maybe a mess up we'll let it slide it is quick. Right to shoulder bash (expected) cancels into GB. What does the LB do? doesnt try to dodge so no free GB, and then does not even counter GB. terrible start.

30 seconds in. Whiffs one light attack, goes with the second light attack. Raw second light attack lands...Terribad.
Again 55 seconds. Shouldbash into GB. LB does not dodge and proceeds to not CGB.

Like the title says. Noob Slayer Combo.

Gastgrinder
06-07-2017, 01:34 PM
That does not change the fact that 99% of the Warden always the same do.

It has to be called Noob Warden Slayer Combo

Blasto95
06-07-2017, 01:37 PM
Ya im not doubting that its strong. But ANY hero with a dodge+attack counter that shouldbash and vortex entirely. Its really only an issue when OOS. But when youve got Raiders and Zerkers dealing 90+ damage on OOS opponents, youre really going to complain about 2 light attacks or a GB->Heavy?

Like I said Warden is strong, very very likely top 5 hero. But he is not OP in anyway.

Gastgrinder
06-07-2017, 01:42 PM
Possible that he is strong, but nevertheless far from being balanced.

Obdach01
06-07-2017, 02:58 PM
WRONG !

1. they nerfed all caracters to the ground making only a few moves in each caracters set of moves good to use so why bother using all the moves a caracter has if only 2 or 3 of them actualy do dmg or help you win ?

2.they had a ideea of how the caracters wold work some good vs fast caracters some good vs slow caracters and so on each caracter had a counter now all that is trash coz people want all caracters to be "ballanced" meaning all caracters should do the same dmg or have the same rage etc

3.people actualy wanted a fair fight in games....now its all about who spams better and who lands a lucky gb so he can push you off ez

4.All the caracters had a unique play to them now all ir the same....since they nerfed them....fight vs fast caracters ? use only light atacks and gb to win fight vs slow caracters parry gb heavy win and NEVER EVER atack first turtle up and w8 for the parry in to gb why ? coz you nerf the caracters we have 0 pay off to start a fight before it didnt work like that it was a 50/50 chance to do dmg or ghet something out of it...

5 You changed the stats....when all you had to do was just nerf the dmg of revenge mode a little + make it so you ghet it a little slower and problem solved BUT NO you changed all the stats so you make more money making people buy steel so they upgrade caracters again

the list is big but what is the point we ir wasting our time....no one cares

Let me recap, what I am reading in the recent complaints. Everything was nerfed, thus much worse than in beta. Something did not get nerfed, thus much worse than beta (even though it is like it was in beta... someone understand this, but whatever). That for the nerf thingi.
The next I read is, people played different then, and now play different (why this is a problem of the game, I don't understand either, since it's clearly the people)
So people call for nerfs, because it is stupid, they get what they want (the nerfs happened ONLY because you all were crying babys), and now they complain because all of the toons feel the same, because they got nerfed. Then they say that another thing needs to be nerfed... ???`????? WHAAAAAAAAA????? Seriously? So if this gets nerfed, all is good, but the others are not?

If the arguements are like this, no business in the whole wide world would care, because it makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like the girlfriend who tries to change you all the time, and when she has you changed like she wanted, she breaks up with you because you are boring.
Yall called for this and yall got it. Don't pretend you didn't see this coming, because in most nerf posts, you will find a post from me stating that if we nerfed all toons, we would be left with only on toon. Everyone saw this coming, only the ones who called loudest didn't because they are too busy crying.
And if you all really cared about the game and not the size of your *enis, you would be reminded of what happened before by just reading the complain comments on the Cent and Shin.
The illogic and unreflected shouting in this community is so far advanced, it hurts.

CoyoteXStarrk
06-07-2017, 03:42 PM
The actual answer if fairly simple.


- The game was new

- The exploits that are used now were not widely known.

- Team compositions were truly varied and random

- There were no "OP" characters because everyone was essentially new

- The low overall gear score and statistics were low and no one knew the cheesy ways to play

- People had more respect and tried to play the game with actual honor and a moral code



All of that is gone now.