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Flakwalker
01-02-2004, 04:27 PM
Please reduce the ability of the rear gunners to kill my pilot when flying a LaGG-3, I had play the same mission (one in wich I have to intercept Stukas) almost 4 times due of this, they have plenty of spots in my plane to shoot at instead the pilot everytime. This happen specially with Stukas, He-111 and sometimes with BF-110. Yesterday I make a great mission and in my path I found 2 unescorted He-111, altough I had enough ammo I avoid combat because for sure they will ruin my mission.
This also happen when using a Me-262 against B-17.

About damage of the LaGG-3, when attacked by a BF-110 it score a lot of hits with mgs at the rear fuselage, altough my plane start smoking there was not bullets damage in the area. Sometimes I got very bad damage but the exterior and even the interior (specially when attacked by the milimetric presicion of the gunners) there is no damage textures.

Flakwalker
01-02-2004, 04:27 PM
Please reduce the ability of the rear gunners to kill my pilot when flying a LaGG-3, I had play the same mission (one in wich I have to intercept Stukas) almost 4 times due of this, they have plenty of spots in my plane to shoot at instead the pilot everytime. This happen specially with Stukas, He-111 and sometimes with BF-110. Yesterday I make a great mission and in my path I found 2 unescorted He-111, altough I had enough ammo I avoid combat because for sure they will ruin my mission.
This also happen when using a Me-262 against B-17.

About damage of the LaGG-3, when attacked by a BF-110 it score a lot of hits with mgs at the rear fuselage, altough my plane start smoking there was not bullets damage in the area. Sometimes I got very bad damage but the exterior and even the interior (specially when attacked by the milimetric presicion of the gunners) there is no damage textures.

noshens
01-02-2004, 04:43 PM
I had that too, I was fighitng j88 though.

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Aardvark892
01-03-2004, 12:44 AM
Never give the tail gunner a clean shot. Hit the bombers from above, left, front, right, below, etc.; anywhere except from straight behind. Hit them at an odd angle, at speed. Make those gunners (even the AI gunners) work for a living.

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Future-
01-03-2004, 03:52 AM
And another incompetent pilot whining about the gunners... I really wish this board would require a basic "stupidity test" to be completed before some ppl would be allowed to post here.

Flakwalker, seriously, either practice some more to improve your skills, or stop playing the game, but eitherway, DON'T POST HERE AGAIN UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING NEW AND/OR SERIOUS!

If you want to whine about the bad bad gunners blowing your fat a$$ to bits, go to general discussion and either start a thread there, or read the thread about B-17 defensive fire.... I think it's this link http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=41610019 . And before you post there, make sure you read AND understood everything.

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JtD
01-03-2004, 03:56 AM
Flakwalker, the pilot is the LaGG-3 only weak spot. You will find that when flying with and when flying against it. I yet have to shoot down a LaGG-3 with my Hurricane without killing the pilot. So yur top priority must be to protect the pilot, aka. yourself.
For Ju-87 it's fairly easy, even if you approach from 6 o'clock. You can either stay out of the firing arc of the gunner by staying below the Ju-87 or hide yourself behind your maaive engine by staying above the Ju. If you are close, pull up/push down, fire a short burst and the Ju-87 is history. I personally prefer the low approach.
Against He 111 this won't work, as they have a belly gunner. Savest way to attack He 111 is from the front. From the rear you have to stay exactly behind the plane behind the cover of the vertical stab. Fly slightly above, and your pilots is rather save behind the engine again. You will have a couple of second to fire, whenever the top gunner just fired a burst. He won't open fire immediately again.
In my LaGG-3 career I shot down 146 planes, 45 of which were bombers. I shot down 6 He 111 in one sortie and 3 He 111 after I finished 4 Bf 109 on another one. This must mean I am fairly convinced that my method is save, otherwise I wouldn't risk my virtual life after managing four kills against 109's. ;-)

VW-IceFire
01-03-2004, 07:56 AM
Try the high speed hit and run slash attack. That gives such a bad angle for gunner fire and an excellent one for you to line up on a much larger plane.

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blabla0001
01-03-2004, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Try the high speed hit and run slash attack. That gives such a bad angle for gunner fire and an excellent one for you to line up on a much larger plane.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do that all the time, but even then sometimes when you slice straight down behind the bomber at 600+ km/h they manage to kill you or mess up your engine with their famous sniper burst.

Other then that I have no real problems with the bomber gunners.

Flakwalker
01-03-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
And another incompetent pilot whining about the gunners... I really wish this board would require a basic "stupidity test" to be completed before some ppl would be allowed to post here.

Flakwalker, seriously, either practice some more to improve your skills, or stop playing the game, but eitherway, DON'T POST HERE AGAIN UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING NEW AND/OR SERIOUS!

If you want to whine about the bad bad gunners blowing your fat a$$ to bits, go to general discussion and either start a thread there, or read the thread about B-17 defensive fire.... I think it's this link http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=41610019 . And before you post there, make sure you read AND understood everything.

- Future

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of all I´m not incompetent, so because I don´t know you and you don´t know me, keep your insults off, ok?

I´m not complaining, is just that in a row of 4 missions, attacking a He-111 or a Ju-88 from ANY angle making manouvers and using mg to "silence" the gunners and HMG and cannon to take out the engines the AI gunners manage to get out my pilot even when their aircraft is turning. I never was able to take out the pilot of a fighter when they attack me when flying a Stuka or He-111, I can take out wings or engines but never the plane go out with the pilot killed and I shoot very well.

blabla0001
01-03-2004, 02:06 PM
Flakwalker, this should say enough why he lashed out at you:

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BfHeFwMe
01-03-2004, 04:10 PM
Just ask these gurus for tracks of how they do it, make it three tracks in a row to show their overwhelming success stories. Tracks are time stamped when you make them so shouldn't be a problem.

Than watch them all silently sulk away..........

Future-
01-04-2004, 03:21 AM
@ Cappadocian_317: To be precise, my sig partly explains my reaction. The fact that I'm a bomber pilot brought along a lot of experience regarding the bahavior of ai gunners.
I think by now I had already too many threads where one can read always the same: "Please Oleg tune down the gunners they're ripping me to shreds, they're too good".
In most cases, this line should be "Please Oleg tune down the gunners, they always kill me when I closely fly by like a big slowly moving target drone".
It's true, the gunners can see through clouds, and they can perform incredible "sniper" hits.
But what the usual guys who complain about this are missing, is in fact a) the overall hit rate of the gunners, which is usually between 3 - 6 %; the fact that human players, especially the good ones, also can score "sniper" hits, so I think this aspect of the ai is a (not fully acurate, but good) simulation of real gunners.
There are only a few things that should be changed on the ai gunners, and if you like, I can post them - again - here.

For now, I hope I made myself clear.

S!

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Vipez-
01-05-2004, 09:48 AM
just learn to shoot with your lagg-3 über plasma weapons.. if you want challenge, take a F-2 or F-4 and try to down any of the PE-2 series.. then come back here to complain about Lagg-3 :P


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Cossack13
01-05-2004, 10:14 AM
Using a LaGG-3 ('41), I can easily rip up Luftwaffe bombers.

Try taking a 109F-2 or F-4 against a Pe-2 and see how their rear gunners do! Hope you can see through oil.

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