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tsisqua
05-28-2004, 07:56 AM
I have a question that may have been covered in these threads before, but I may have missed. Please forgive me if that is the case.

I know that there seems to be a small amount of torque roll that the programmers have not been able to eliminate due to limitations. Its no big deal, just a couple of trim clicks sets me straight. However, I am noticing that my bird rolls to the right almost twice as fast as it does to the left. With added rudder, she rolls like a P-39 when rolling right (at certain speeds).

Is this an across the board experience for all the other Lightning drivers, or do I have an issue with the game that may require me to reinstall? If that is the case, I'll move my question over to Community Help forum.


Thanks

Tsisqua

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tsisqua
05-28-2004, 07:56 AM
I have a question that may have been covered in these threads before, but I may have missed. Please forgive me if that is the case.

I know that there seems to be a small amount of torque roll that the programmers have not been able to eliminate due to limitations. Its no big deal, just a couple of trim clicks sets me straight. However, I am noticing that my bird rolls to the right almost twice as fast as it does to the left. With added rudder, she rolls like a P-39 when rolling right (at certain speeds).

Is this an across the board experience for all the other Lightning drivers, or do I have an issue with the game that may require me to reinstall? If that is the case, I'll move my question over to Community Help forum.


Thanks

Tsisqua

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Hoarmurath
05-28-2004, 08:28 AM
i fly the p38 a lot, never noticed such a difference between left/right rollrate. you should check your joystick calibration maybe.

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GreyBeast
05-28-2004, 08:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
i fly the p38 a lot, never noticed such a difference between left/right rollrate. you should check your joystick calibration maybe.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I´m a complete ignorant as far as technical/mechanical details on WWII aircraft are concerned, that´s why I stay out of the threads where these things are discussed. What I DO know is that one of the P-38´s features was that the two props spun in opposite directions, so there should be little torque if not none at all... Am I wrong?

ZG77_Nagual
05-28-2004, 08:42 AM
I think you may have a joystick problem.

tsisqua
05-28-2004, 08:49 AM
Thanks, guys. I hadn't noticed this before getting patched, and I thought that something wasn't right about it. True that counter-rotating props should keep all things even. I thought that maybe this was a result of the "Hidden Autorudder" that has been noticed, and posted about so much.

Thanks, and off to check some stuff in the help forum.

Tsisqua

geetarman
05-28-2004, 08:52 AM
No difference here either. But, one question. Post-patch, what is the roll rate I'm supposed to get in the J and L? I want to time it tonight. Pick 350 kph and 480 kph.

tsisqua
05-28-2004, 09:46 AM
Geetarman,
At 480, you should roll in about 5 seconds, give or take a few tenths. At speeds below 400, the roll slows for me considerably. (BTW, Does your geetar have a whamee bar? I'm a guitarist, and I'm betting that with a name like Geetarman, you are as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

My roll issue has been resolved. I needed to turn off the "spring" emulation for centering in non-force games . . . I had it as "Always On", and it was somehow fighting with FB's forces.

Saitek Cyborg Force


Tsisqua

geetarman
05-28-2004, 11:19 AM
TS,

Yup - all my Strats have whammy bars on them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Thanks for the roll rate answer. What is this "spring emulation" thing? I have a MSFFB stick. I don't think it has that. If you've used one (MSFFB), can you suggest settings to maximize roll rate?

tsisqua
05-28-2004, 01:37 PM
GM,
The Saitek Cyborg Force uses no actual springs. Centering is motorized, the same way the forces are. I don't think that the MS stick has this, so its probably not an issue for you.

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Tsisqua

VMF513_Sandman
05-29-2004, 05:29 AM
i have the saitek evo, and after game puts u on the runway, calibration is a tad off to the right. it re-cal's itself after gettin in the air and moving the stick in a full circle and moving rudder full left and right. after that, the stick is good to go for the rest of the game.

in american aircraft other than the p-38, planes turned alot better to the right vs left. its how the corsair/hellcat drivers were able to turn the tables on the zero's in the pacific. the zero's couldnt match their right hand turn. the zekes favored the left turn and the sair didnt prefer sharp turns to the left.

rl p-38's didnt have the torque of single engine planes and would turn equally fast either right or left. game engine cant seem to be programmed to have a true 'no-torque' aircraft...if it was, the 38 would decimate everything in turns. some planes seems to turn faster 1 way than the other. the zekes seems to prefer the left hand turns like the rl zeke did.