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Epoqx
05-26-2017, 11:14 PM
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When u play a char that cannot punish him when u cgb him from long distance already, why can't we even sometimes punish him in medium/close range ?

The one with the Centurion happens to me every single time, whenever i cgb a shino in medium/close range. The jumped attack is automatic, blocking my punish on his wake up.

This is the only things that makes me crazy when i play against him as a Cent. It is already hard enough to play vs him with our short range, slow guard switch and bad mobility, making it even harder if we cannot punish him the few times we got the possibility.

The second .gif is a bonus, to show off that his wake up is a bit too fast, from my pov, with multiple characters.

Hope you can fix it !

Hormly
05-26-2017, 11:45 PM
As a warlord I am able to land a top heavy, not sure if its guaranteed or ive just been lucky?

either way, hate the new classes, they break the games fighting engine, f- em

CeIasun
05-26-2017, 11:58 PM
Well I can say that he is blocking... You tried a heavy top right?, some times I can block it too after getting down not most often, this because the recoverytime and the non excisting guard stance of assasin classes. By the way what the shinobi did is not easy to pull of so I give him my congrats.

CeIasun
05-27-2017, 12:00 AM
Well I can say that he is blocking... You tried a heavy top right?, some times I can block it too after getting down not most often, this because the recoverytime and the non excisting guard stance of assasin classes. By the way what the shinobi did is not easy to pull of so I give him my congrats.

Just don't come and tell me that every shinobi is able to react so fast or all the time becase that would be not true. I can say this beacause I have a Peacekeeper as main and have a level 144 rep 7 Shinobi.

Lord_Nirgal
05-27-2017, 12:06 AM
happens 100% of times. the shinobi only needs to push is guard up to always parry the punish from a centurion, the fact that they can react actually makes the entire mechanic of the fall completly useless. (adding the fact that a shinobi can pull a target from maximum range but if you counter him he drops way to far for a punish making his ranged attacks actually safe)

It happens if you block the light attack off the kick too: if you dodge the kick and wait for the attack parrying it the shinob falls to the ground and gets up before you can punish him making it safer than any other parry because if you parry a normal attack you can get a guard break, after the kick you can't gb and if you parry you can't anyway punish with a heavy and if you have slow light you can do anything at all.

Felis_Menari
05-27-2017, 12:10 AM
Well, that clearly needs fixin'.

Y_Shrewditch
05-27-2017, 12:17 AM
Make of it what you will, but the intention all along was that only a light was guaranteed I believe. But I've taken and given heavies with some heroes nonetheless, so your mileage may vary

CeIasun
05-27-2017, 12:18 AM
happens 100% of times. the shinobi only needs to push is guard up to always parry the punish from a centurion, the fact that they can react actually makes the entire mechanic of the fall completly useless. (adding the fact that a shinobi can pull a target from maximum range but if you counter him he drops way to far for a punish making his ranged attacks actually safe)

It happens if you block the light attack off the kick too: if you dodge the kick and wait for the attack parrying it the shinob falls to the ground and gets up before you can punish him making it safer than any other parry because if you parry a normal attack you can get a guard break, after the kick you can't gb and if you parry you can't anyway punish with a heavy and if you have slow light you can do anything at all.

Well I play on the PC, on witch device are we speaking about because I have video's to of me playing, happend to me really rarely. And most of the time it was because the other guys was just a second to late to press a chared heavy. And I know from my self that I don't use hacks or cheats.

Netcode_err_404
05-27-2017, 12:19 AM
I can confirm LB heavies cannot land on shinobi when you counter his GB

Working as intended

CeIasun
05-27-2017, 12:28 AM
I can confirm LB heavies cannot land on shinobi when you counter his GB

Working as intended

try a light attack or zone lol

Dizzy4213
05-27-2017, 12:32 AM
Seems fine to me. Getting a guaranteed heavy every time is a bit too much, given Shinobi's low HP.

I know that distance also plays a big part in it. At max range, you sometimes might not always be able to get a punish.

There have been times where I've been able to land a heavy and others where I can only get a light. Ultimately, it comes down to the speed of your attack. Although it's possible for everyone to get a guaranteed light which is fine. If the devs decide to nerf his kick and make his attacks even more punishing then he's going to need a lot more HP and have a regular Reflex Guard like the other assassins at the very least.