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Beirut
09-19-2004, 06:25 AM
Reinstalled LOMAC last night just for the hell of it and once again I was blown away by the graphics. The terrain, the cities and factories with smoking chimneys, the huge antenae towers that fall over when hit!!!, the plane detail, and the explosions are beyond excelent. And it's all on one CD.

How com Ubisoft, since they own LOMAC and IL2, doesn't put those mouth watering graphics into a prop sim? I would much prefer to fly props over that delicious terrain instead of jets. (Mind you, ground pounding in the A-10 really is fun!)

If we could have IL2 planes over LOMAC terrain, some of us would quit our jobs and just fly for the sightseeing pleasure. Well... I would. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif

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Beirut
09-19-2004, 06:25 AM
Reinstalled LOMAC last night just for the hell of it and once again I was blown away by the graphics. The terrain, the cities and factories with smoking chimneys, the huge antenae towers that fall over when hit!!!, the plane detail, and the explosions are beyond excelent. And it's all on one CD.

How com Ubisoft, since they own LOMAC and IL2, doesn't put those mouth watering graphics into a prop sim? I would much prefer to fly props over that delicious terrain instead of jets. (Mind you, ground pounding in the A-10 really is fun!)

If we could have IL2 planes over LOMAC terrain, some of us would quit our jobs and just fly for the sightseeing pleasure. Well... I would. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif

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OldMan____
09-19-2004, 06:39 AM
I really think FB graphics are BETTER than Lomac ones. Just remember todays buildinga ARE MUCH more impressive and common than in WW2. There a re much more thing to put in game in today world. But compare Lomac fire to IL2 one .. LOMAC fire is @!#!@#!@# when compared to IL2, same for trees seen from far above. And most important.. IL2 does this keeping ittself a much preformance friendly engine.


I really got disapointed by LOMAC graphics... for a game that keeps my PC at 20 FPS.. it has very poor graphics.

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RevvinUK
09-19-2004, 06:48 AM
I prefer the IL-2 graphics over LOMAC, IL-2 runs nicely on a wider range of machines.

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VW-IceFire
09-19-2004, 07:17 AM
Lock On is much newer...thats a prime reason the graphics aren't the same. You can't just import them in either...its alot of core stuff to the game engine that run these things.

Expect BoB to look like LOMAC or better.

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carguy_
09-19-2004, 08:19 AM
Personally my imression is that LOMAC ground objects are more simplified than those in FBAEP.
Anyways FBAEP graphic engine suits me better.


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falco_cz
09-19-2004, 08:24 AM
IMO, LOMAC gxf looks MUCH better. Try flying in FB 5000m AGL and fly LOMAC afterward in them same altitude. FB look really ugly at higher alt.

NTESLA
09-19-2004, 08:34 AM
In my own opinion, Oleg initially made IL2 as a ground pounder simulator for IL2; IL2 being the equivalent to the modern day Su-25 Frogfoot. Oleg did not have in mind, INITIALLY, to make higher altitude missions/sorties to be his MAIN part of the sim IL2, but IL2 grew to be much more than that. IL2 became very popular within the Sim-head community and requests started to pour in for certain type of fighters and bombers that were not initially in his plan. It's like LOMAC started to become a Skunkworks simulator for the U2 and SR-71 spyplanes, you will then start to see the limitations of the sim after a certain altitude that LOMAC initially did not have it modelled and/or planned to accomadate this type of demand. I bet that the ground graphics for LOMAC will start to look as bad after you reach a certain altitude....just like IL2.

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Platypus_1.JaVA
09-19-2004, 08:45 AM
Let;s face it, Il-2 is essentially almost 3 years old.

If you think LOMAC looks that good, wait till Maddox's new sim, BoB will look like. Defending against the Luftwaffe horde, above London! Low level fighting between the banks of the Thames river YES http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Willey
09-19-2004, 09:41 AM
LokcOn Terrain is brilliant, but it won't even run fluidly on a 4GHz with 2GB RAM and a X800XT with med settings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

theaircobra
09-19-2004, 09:43 AM
wait till battle of britian.

Beirut
09-19-2004, 10:01 AM
Here's a mediocre screenshot showing a pretty nice level of terrain detail. I'll try to get a nicer one (when the kids aren't hanging off my neck. "Can I fly the airplane?????? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

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VVS-Manuc
09-19-2004, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theaircobra:
wait till battle of britian.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least there is the hope. No one has seen anything of the BoB terrain until now.

Snootles
09-19-2004, 10:39 AM
Lock-On's graphics are nice, but in my opinion they are very poorly and inefficiently coded. You need a friggin' computer farm or a nice supercomputer to enjoyably run the game above Low Scenery level (cities + towns represented as flat textures without buildings). See, Il-2 chugs a little over metropolitan areas but I can still run it decently...

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PF_Coastie
09-19-2004, 10:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:

And it's all on one CD.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And how many flyable planes, built in missions and maps does LOMAC have?

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MEGILE
09-19-2004, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And how many flyable planes, built in missions and maps does LOMAC have? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Touché http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Although, I would never question how much more labour intensive it is to make a LO-MAC plane than one for IL-2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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DayGlow
09-19-2004, 11:01 AM
Just fly the SU25, it's really just a fast IL-2

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olaleier
09-19-2004, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:

How com Ubisoft, since they own LOMAC and IL2, doesn't put those mouth watering graphics into a prop sim? I would much prefer to fly props over that delicious terrain instead of jets. (Mind you, ground pounding in the A-10 really is fun!)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because Ubisoft is just the people printing the CD's, hosting the webiste and shipping the CD's to the stores.

Lomac is made (and the source code owned) by Eagle Dynamics, IL-2: FB is made and owned by Maddox.

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AlexDavies
09-19-2004, 11:15 AM
they could join forces and build an absolutely awesome flight sim. but thats never going to happen.

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h009291
09-19-2004, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
How com Ubisoft, since they own LOMAC and IL2, doesn't put those mouth watering graphics into a prop sim? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a few above mentioned ... I will repeat.

Reasons or proof they don't:

1. FPS = &lt; 10 Unless you use NASA computer
2. 20 people on-line in HL

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DayGlow
09-19-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by h009291:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
How com Ubisoft, since they own LOMAC and IL2, doesn't put those mouth watering graphics into a prop sim? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a few above mentioned ... I will repeat.

Reasons or proof they don't:

1. FPS = &lt; 10 Unless you use NASA computer
2. 20 people on-line in HL

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http://www.medals.org.uk/united-kingdom/images/uk654.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can't get more than 10fps, you are doing something wrong. FB perfect mode is only marginally faster than LOMAC&gt;

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AlexDavies
09-19-2004, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
Lock-On's graphics are nice, but in my opinion they are very poorly and inefficiently coded. You need a friggin' _computer farm_ or a nice supercomputer to enjoyably run the game above Low Scenery level (cities + towns represented as flat textures without buildings). See, Il-2 chugs a little over metropolitan areas but I can still run it decently...

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what is that sig about? please explain... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Beirut
09-19-2004, 12:45 PM
I run LOMAC at fairly high settings and it runs reasonably well. Mind you, I play with a light amount of air traffic. I'm sure it would bog down pretty quick if things got busy.

Right now I'm XP2000/512PC-133/9800 Pro.By Tuesday my upgrade should be ready, it will be an AMD 64-3000/1Gig Corsair RAM/9800 Pro. Can't wait to play both these sims on that baby!

(As for the comparisons between IL2 and LOMAC, how many planes and maps each has, etc,I'm not staring a ***** fest. I very much prefer IL2 over LOMAC. All I was saying was that LOMAC has really, really nice graphics and would love to see them implemented into IL2... somehow.)

If BOB has LOMAC quality terrain, and maybe even a Lancaster or two, then that will be a real peach! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Platypus_1.JaVA
09-19-2004, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlexDavies:
they could join forces and build an absolutely awesome flight sim. but thats never going to happen.

http://www.lsfm.org/images/TBolt.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure (I hope im sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) that maddox's development team is smart enough to make the terrain as beautifull as lomac.

Il-2 was really diffrent when it first came out. I've played flight sims since Falcon 1.0 and MSFS 5.0 but, after 10 minutes of Il-2, I knew this one was going to be something special. I've never played another flightsim for more then a week contineously since that game came out. I've bought and downloaded all patches and add-ons. It probably stays on my HD at least untill BoB comes out. And boy oh boy, does PF look good or what?

Let us all hope and pray for BoB to be as special as Il-2 FB is (and better the Rowans flight sim on the same subject) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Jim81
09-19-2004, 05:03 PM
just a question :


BOB will use a complitely different and new graphic engine ??

weasel75
09-19-2004, 05:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jim81:
BOB will use a complitely different and new graphic engine ??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When the very first screenshots of IL2 appeared in the net, the graphic looked somehow a tad better (and different) than the final version. IIRC they had to tune down things to get it smooth. Maybe they continue the old branch of code?

LOMAC: runs smooth here, just SAMs and vehicles limited. I guess the AI-routines are eating the FPS up (no AI, no stutter/slowdown).
Terrain and landscape are just great, no matter what altitude. Check out all these woods and lines of trees . Decent colors help a lot, IL2/FB looks like colorful toyplanes are fighting over a terrain some kids painted with their favourite color only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
(hey, I like IL2/FB a lot, but one can compare)

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LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2004, 07:55 PM
LOMAC could not even get the basic grafix in the game like...


posted by tu74rk @ LOMAC:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>ever since I first saw Lock-On, there has been one thing that's nagged me

one thing

Where's the MiG-21?

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ...from 12 page MiG~21 Whine thread for LOMAC...
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LOMAC did get the correct star positions, star brightness, and star colours for the brighter stars. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif The only reason I got the sim. LOMAC's correctly modded night sky may be a First for flight sims.

....Ignore the porked demo. LOMAC runs better after the Patches. Still can't play it with ATI9200, but I only need LOMAC to look at slideshow of starry sky...unless they add Flyable MiG~21...its not even AI lol.

But that huge oversize Arcade Gaming moon in LOMAC--I don't know what happened with that. The FB Moon, with realistic 1/2 degree apparent diameter, Rules! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif



Yes I paid for LOMAC just for the realistic stars. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif Wait until some flight sim Dev becomes the First to Mod towering cumulus clouds.

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wayno7777
09-19-2004, 08:08 PM
I have EAW and was using Falcon 4 graphics. I also had hills, mountains and clouds. I'm wondering if something like that could be done with FB/AEP? I realize EAW and Falcon 4 are both from Microprose, maybe Lock-on's graphics can be put in FB/AEP.

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adlabs6
09-19-2004, 08:57 PM
Certainly LOMAC is better looking on the highest settings... playability is another matter sadly. I just hit LOW on graphics setting in LOMAC and enjoy the mission.

I've been running FB on straigh Excellent settings this weekend when flying online, and it's darn good looking. My PC is pulling off around 30fps most of the time. IMO, there are two visual changes that would put FB over the top for me. Firstly is a higher resolution terriain mesh. Something like the great looking 76m meshes like those avaliable for MSFS would be idea. Secondly, more flexibility in cloud drawing. Allowing clouds to be thicker, thinner, taller, just so the variety would be a bit more obvious.

Of course, upping these details would impact performance.

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Tully__
09-19-2004, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
How com Ubisoft, since they own LOMAC and IL2, doesn't put those mouth watering graphics into a prop sim? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While Ubi have distribution rights for both games outside of Russia, they are not the developers.

The IL2 series is made by 1C:Maddox and LOMAC is made by Strategic Simulations. Different companies, both of whom would be understandably reluctant to share their secrets without some airtight licence agreements. As the games were developed independanty there's also a good chance that the two graphics engines are not compatible without starting over from scratch.

As other's have suggested, I also look forward to seeing something new in graphics from 1C:Maddox when BoB comes out.

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LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2004, 09:14 PM
adlabs, if you are running Excellent, I have found some manual "conf" file stuff that can give Perfect "Detailed" clouds with *no* fps hit over the Excellent "Detailed" clouds (more on fps later).

Running here with ATI 9200 with default CD drivers...

TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0

Set to Zero to draw the "Detailed" clouds out to map horizon--20km away. Twice as far as my default Excellent menu setup of 10km and 4x farther than the 5km limit of "Simple" clouds. Twice the draw distance is 4 times the number of "Detailed" clouds drawn, with no detectable fps hit on my ATI 9200.
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Another interesting one...

TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0

Set to Zero give the sweet bumpy textures on the high 7km "cirrocumulus" clouds. Set to one (1) and the high clouds are smeared out smooth, just like cirrus clouds. Just something to change sky appearance for different missions.

This is how it works with my ATI 9200.

Now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

adlabs:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Of course, upping these details would impact performance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Upping cloud detail and size, at least some, will not hurt my ATI 9200, never mind much more modern video cards. My ATI 9200 does not even notice FB clouds. Oleg's clouds are 4 years old now. Granted the new cloud grafix must be done "properly." LOMAC somehow messed up their overcast where a 3rd Party had to Patch them down (a first in flight simming it is said).

FB Kuban mountains and the decent fps we get now, today. The same basic grafix ideas could be made to give high fps cloud mountains like in your sig...These grafix can be done properly if the Devs don't mess up like in LOMAC.

Nice sig btw... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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If you wish, clear the pic up some...the text and the blue fog as if you are looking at these adlabs clouds from an airplane in clear air above all the haze, and I will add that to my Arsenal of Cloud Whining. Thanks.



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adlabs6
09-19-2004, 09:26 PM
Hey Lexx, thanks for those conf edits, I'll play with those. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Also, here's the unedited photo I took of the clouds in my sig.
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You can see some more cloud photos I've taken at in my gallery at this link:
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LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2004, 09:57 PM
Wow! Are those all yours?

This one is very nice. Called Tortoises and Hare...ballons and short jet contrail. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2004, 10:08 PM
Okay...what to do...

Click on "Browse" and for cloud specific pics (millions) scroll down and click the "cloud" link.

Millions, 15 pics per page. These are inspiring detail and colours.

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adlabs6
09-19-2004, 10:15 PM
My appologies Lexx, that link was incorrect. This link should show you my gallery at that site:
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DayGlow
09-19-2004, 10:17 PM
One of the reasons why LOMAC runs slowly on low end DX8/0 cards such as Nvidia 5200's and ATI 9200 is that there are a lot of shaders used pretty much on everything in the graphics engine, and these cards choke on shader code.

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LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2004, 10:44 PM
Yes, and the LOMAC Patch worked well even for my 9200--4fps up to 10fps. Please tell the LOMAC Devs over there that their night sky is worth the CD price alone. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Good pilots can navigate by stars when they have to if they recognize the stars, and if you know the real stars, you know the LOMAC stars. (plug for MiG~21 too).

Thanks adlabs, that first pic especially, those cumulus clouds are as large as the big mountains over the Onwhine Summer 4 map, with a bit more steep slope though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You know how, in safe offwhine play Secrecy, we fire up FB to scrape the FB mountain sides. We could be doing that with towering cumulus clouds...like that Royal Aussie Bristol Bulldog Wing Commander who in Secret disobeyed RAAF meteorology flight orders and played around the clouds...can't find the link to that

...here it is...

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The inauguration of the meteorological flights coincided with the arrival in Australia of eight Bristol Bulldog single-seater fighter aircraftâ"”purchased surplus from Britainâ"”in 1929.

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"Sometimes during a flight one would encounter huge towering cumulus clouds, and it was a sheer delight to play chasings around themâ"”-through the valleys and then a dive into a mass of cloud, a couple of minutes of clammy wetness and out into brilliant sunshine.

In fact we were not supposed to do anything other than climbing and gliding, as there was some theory that violent manoeuvres upset the thermometers; but it was hard to resist the temptation of this type of sport; http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif and as I said earlier, because of the limited number of aircraft around the sky in those times, there was virtually no risk of collision. One morning however, I was frolicking around a big cumulus cloud and was actually about to loop the machine through a hole in it when, as I came over the top of the loop, I saw to my horror another Bulldog looping in the opposite direction. Both of us were upside down and pointing straight at each other! I've forgotten what type of avoiding action we took, but I know that I fell back into the cloud and prayed that the other chap had gone the other way. On returning to the tarmac I was greeted by my friend, and we both made the same remark: 'Were you the bloody fool that was mucking around that cloud?'. Thereafter, we treated cumulus clouds with a bit more respect." [31]

31. O.G. Heffernan in Stand Toâ"”January-March 1966.

Page 249~~&gt; http://www.austehc.unimelb.edu.au/fam/0249.html
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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Air_Hog
09-19-2004, 10:50 PM
Remember dogfights during WW2 could involve hundreds of planes.

A.H.

LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2004, 11:03 PM
Yes! To escape the 100 plane dogfight they flew into large cumulus clouds.

Now we are talking WW2 air combat environment. http://www.lexxfans.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/023.gif



http://www.vought.com/heritage/photo/assets/images/db_images/db_0686_22.jpg
~ http://www.vought.com/heritage/photo/html/pmono.html

Thanks to SkyChimp for sharing that link.

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack ( AEP )

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Slammin_
09-19-2004, 11:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlexDavies:
they could join forces and build an absolutely awesome flight sim. but thats never going to happen.

http://www.lsfm.org/images/TBolt.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure (I hope im sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) that maddox's development team is smart enough to make the terrain as beautifull as lomac.

Il-2 was really diffrent when it first came out. I've played flight sims since Falcon 1.0 and MSFS 5.0 but, after 10 minutes of Il-2, I knew this one was going to be something special. I've never played another flightsim for more then a week contineously since that game came out. I've bought and downloaded all patches and add-ons. It probably stays on my HD at least untill BoB comes out. And boy oh boy, does PF look good or what?

Let us all hope and pray for BoB to be as special as Il-2 FB is (and better the Rowans flight sim on the same subject) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again.


Placed 3rd, with team, in the official european championship Il-2/FB

http://home.deds.nl/~bhummel/gif/D8390.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It's going to be real interesting reading all the complaints about how 'bad' the code is because we can't get 60fps with settings on HIGH.

NOT!

Beirut
09-20-2004, 05:02 AM
Adlabs6,

A hobby photographing clouds?

That sounds deliciously relaxing, peaceful, introspective, quiet and philosophical.

I may just take it up. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

"Official Lancaster whiner"

MadMacgunner
09-20-2004, 05:14 AM
LoMac has a great grafic level, but What the hell computer they made with?.
I know nobody who say it runs perfectly in their pc.Donâ´t you think?

"Vista, suerte y al toro"

GarcĂÂ*a Morato, Spanish Civil War pilot.