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mattshotcha
05-25-2017, 09:41 PM
Day Three for ETF Charlie was another workshop heavy one. Staggering the ETF Agents between game play sessions and workshop discussions throughout the entire day meant equal parts hands on time and discussion time.

The main focus of Day Three game play was 1.8 content, which we are not ready to share just yet. But the Agents participated in round table workshops on a variety of topics we CAN speak on briefly.

Gameplay
• Update 1.8 new features and content

Discussions
• Global Event ideas and improvements
• World Tier and Gear Score increase
• Survival improvements

Now while a potential World Tier increase or Gear Score increase is not 100% confirmed here, it is a topic that the ETF Charlie Agents were actively contributing opinions and information on.

As for the 1.8 content, we are going to have to play this one a bit quiet for now as it is not quite ready for reveal, but hang in there, Agents.

More news coming tomorrow for Day Four, the final day of ETF Charlie.

/The Division Dev Team

ochre4
05-25-2017, 10:03 PM
Thank you good sir, appreciate the feedback.

Adbmaus
05-25-2017, 10:58 PM
Cool. Were ANY of these global events a discussion of New Game plus, adding difficulty tiers as opposed to just adding a world tier or another easy cop out that development could and would take?

This isn't transparent matt. In fact this is just controlling the flow of news coming from ETF and keeping it to a forum instead of having youtubers rumour mill.

Screw it. You know what, I'm a little heated up about this.

Adding a gear score just means more grind for existing builds which will piss everyone off. The same with world tier - Now I know that I've been heard, because I discussed it with terry, hamish, AND YOU. It makes more sense to add a difficulty level that employs the hunter algorithms instead of just increasing gearscore and world tier. I don't want your already bullet spongier npc's to be even more bullet spongier, I want what I wanted from the start; a game that makes me think, adapt and overcome.

The challenges that were added last time were a good start, but nothing more - there's so much more that can be done on the LZ side in terms of exploration, diversity of opponents, difficulty of opponents and variety and population - I understand some of it comes down to the overheads that Terry described last friday, but this just feels like yeat again - while you're claiming these are "global events" you're focusing on, the bulk of it is on the DZ and your desire to add more emotes and skin packs.

That's nothing short of lazy. LAZY matt, Lazy.

Please. Feel free to thank everyone at red storm, massive and whatever the hell the studio in newcastle is called for the continuing eff you to people not interested in PvP. It makes me feel like I made my choice to spend moneyreally well.

RushLoongHammer
05-25-2017, 11:02 PM
Please tickle my pickle.
Any scrapes of bread will be fine
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I don't mind a world tier/GS increase, but just remember, the more you have, the longer it takes for a new players to get through the fluff to get to the late game were most people would be.
The adventure to lategame could be boring without much player interaction along the way.

xcel30
05-25-2017, 11:42 PM
I really hope this gear score increase doesn't become a "do something you done thousands times again, buth higher numbers", i mean jesus i don't want to grind any exotics anymore because most of them are trahs and having ot do that again will just make things redundant over and over

ChilliDude911
05-25-2017, 11:54 PM
Any EFT Agents from Australia (or Asia) who can discuss how pathetic matchmaking (servers) is for Last Stand & Incursions?
That should have been addressed in the 1.6.1 patch!

This issue makes the game unplayable

Adbmaus
05-26-2017, 12:30 AM
I really hope this gear score increase doesn't become a "do something you done thousands times again, buth higher numbers", i mean jesus i don't want to grind any exotics anymore because most of them are trahs and having ot do that again will just make things redundant over and over

Of course it'll mean exactly that. That's what it implies.

mckrackin5324
05-26-2017, 01:32 AM
I swear to Christ... a gear score increase with no new missions and all new gear to grind for will be the absolute last straw.

And since nobody is ever going to tell us what is going on,all I want to know is...when?
Is year 2 content going to make it while we're still in year 2?

When will 1.7 drop? When will 1.8 drop?

Baundiesel
05-26-2017, 02:45 AM
Adding a gear score just means more grind for existing builds which will piss everyone off. The same with world tier

Yeah, if you could not act like you speak for everyone that would be great. A gearscore jump with new gears/guns would be awesome and give a reason to play again.

Adbmaus
05-26-2017, 03:02 AM
Yeah, if you could not act like you speak for everyone that would be great. A gearscore jump with new gears/guns would be awesome and give a reason to play again.


Yeah, if you could learn the difference between increasing grind, and increasing difficulty that would be great too.

MSDX-
05-26-2017, 03:10 AM
No new WT/GS increase unless there's a significant rebalance alongside it.

Otherwise this is just same thing with bigger numbers.

Adbmaus
05-26-2017, 03:12 AM
No new WT/GS increase unless there's a significant rebalance alongside it.

Otherwise this is just same thing with bigger numbers.


At last, someone who gets it. A World tier increase should be a kind of legendary mode, everything reset with a greater risk/reward prospect. LMBs and Keener's rogue division agents replaced with Hunter algorithms.

mckrackin5324
05-26-2017, 03:19 AM
Yeah, if you could not act like you speak for everyone that would be great. A gearscore jump with new gears/guns would be awesome and give a reason to play again.

I believe he probably speaks for the majority.
If they add a world tier and a gear score increase without all new missions and all new gear...that will be the nail in the coffin.

Not to mention it shoves end game even that much farther down the road for new players. Who tf wants to play the campaign over and over for 100 hours just to be competitive in the DZ or take part in Legendary missions?

xllxENIGMAxllx
05-26-2017, 03:48 AM
i totally agree with edifiss gear score increase it's a joke all year one we have grind equipment to do it again over and over new contents and improvement is welcome but new world tier and gear score is not at least for me

FlipperKoala101
05-26-2017, 05:40 AM
Gameplay
• Update 1.8 new features and content



Who missed this part of the OP?

Iax3
05-26-2017, 05:59 AM
Day Three for ETF Charlie was another workshop heavy one. Staggering the ETF Agents between game play sessions and workshop discussions throughout the entire day meant equal parts hands on time and discussion time.

The main focus of Day Three game play was 1.8 content, which we are not ready to share just yet. But the Agents participated in round table workshops on a variety of topics we CAN speak on briefly.

Gameplay
• Update 1.8 new features and content

Discussions
• Global Event ideas and improvements
• World Tier and Gear Score increase
• Survival improvements

Now while a potential World Tier increase or Gear Score increase is not 100% confirmed here, it is a topic that the ETF Charlie Agents were actively contributing opinions and information on.

As for the 1.8 content, we are going to have to play this one a bit quiet for now as it is not quite ready for reveal, but hang in there, Agents.

More news coming tomorrow for Day Four, the final day of ETF Charlie.

waiting the old hipfire mechanic, still don΄t come back to game

Nec_star
05-26-2017, 07:10 AM
a gearscore is ********. nothing will change a gear score.
more gear and stuff? yesss, but delete the useless one still in this game. how many year are u going to grind to get the right stuff then. there are now tooo many useless things in it.
then the drop rate of "good stuff" will be more decrease.

MonsterOfMyOwn
05-26-2017, 10:02 AM
A new gear score / world tier the same as what was done with patch 1.5 : No, really No. And it could be a reason to stop playing. Enough of farming the same gears over and over again.
A new difficulty ? Why not. But tbh Legendary and Heroic incursions are "hard" enough, missions that will mean overheal spam and lunchbox spam are not welcome. (Warrengate legendary, Clear Sky Heroic, lost signal heroic : there is no need to make them harder)

So far, "GS increase" was just a lazy way to deal with legacy weapons and retroactive changes. It was never pushed by the player base. One reason I think is that their is too much RNG and you never feel like you've got the perfect gears. There is always a little room for improvement / or it takes tons of time to have an alternate build.

So a new "Heroic" or "Legendary" world tier with new GS limited to Weapons : why not.
Mobs kept at lvl 34 but "normal" purple / yellow in the street, all missions avalaible only in Legendary mode, and Legendary red / purple / yellow in the DZ
Why weapons ? because it'll be a +12% damage increase, with the drawback of the increased minimum stats (i.e. what they wanted to do but had to revert in patch 1.5), so it'll be easier to balance and will push more specialized builds.

vvhorus
05-26-2017, 01:40 PM
Yeah, if you could not act like you speak for everyone that would be great. A gearscore jump with new gears/guns would be awesome and give a reason to play again.

Bless your soul for wanting to play the same missions 1,000 additional times...

Battle-rat
05-26-2017, 03:14 PM
I would welcome a GS/world Tier increase. You play your way, I'll play mine.

I also like pve content, I was in the top 30 for pve missions completed since day 1 on challenging or or above, rl has forced me to play a touch less these days.

So yea, playing the same content over and over is ok with me because I enjoy the pve environment in the Division.

Thr3e2wenty8
05-26-2017, 03:27 PM
What if: a new gear score only affected the gold stuff you get a metric **** ton of now anyway? Meaning that they made it to where Exotics auto level with you. What if they made new exotics for this new world tier? If you require new content only to enjoy an rng loot based game, its only going to save you most of your time to not play.

BlancoCobra
05-26-2017, 04:19 PM
World tier I am ok with....GS not at all unless what I have re-scales up....I have had to re-farm every bit if gear I have had how many times now....4...5....not to mention changes themselves inside of particular gear sets that make me have to acquire new pieces to re-roll....

I am all for an entire World Tier Legendary...I would love that from the PVE side of it....would love if every mission was able to be completed on Legendary. Even if you are only able to obtain 3 exotics per week, we could switch up what missions we ran.

The main problem I have ran into and the reason most of the group I play with has quit, is because we have all the gear sets we want, all the exotics we want....and most of us have beat everything there is to beat.....

There is just nothing new to keep interest anymore...and LS is the only thing I play when and if I do play..... there just needs to be more end game material

mattshotcha
05-26-2017, 04:36 PM
Cool. Were ANY of these global events a discussion of New Game plus, adding difficulty tiers as opposed to just adding a world tier or another easy cop out that development could and would take?

This isn't transparent matt. In fact this is just controlling the flow of news coming from ETF and keeping it to a forum instead of having youtubers rumour mill.

Screw it. You know what, I'm a little heated up about this.

Adding a gear score just means more grind for existing builds which will piss everyone off. The same with world tier - Now I know that I've been heard, because I discussed it with terry, hamish, AND YOU. It makes more sense to add a difficulty level that employs the hunter algorithms instead of just increasing gearscore and world tier. I don't want your already bullet spongier npc's to be even more bullet spongier, I want what I wanted from the start; a game that makes me think, adapt and overcome.

The challenges that were added last time were a good start, but nothing more - there's so much more that can be done on the LZ side in terms of exploration, diversity of opponents, difficulty of opponents and variety and population - I understand some of it comes down to the overheads that Terry described last friday, but this just feels like yeat again - while you're claiming these are "global events" you're focusing on, the bulk of it is on the DZ and your desire to add more emotes and skin packs.

That's nothing short of lazy. LAZY matt, Lazy.

Please. Feel free to thank everyone at red storm, massive and whatever the hell the studio in newcastle is called for the continuing eff you to people not interested in PvP. It makes me feel like I made my choice to spend moneyreally well.

You're getting fired up based off an assumption.

Also, this isn't intended to be transparent. We're not there yet as far as revealing everything being worked on or even what';s already being shown to the ETF. These updates are to try and show the community some of the broad scope of things being discussed inside the ETF workshops.

We also haven't confirmed how we would approach a new world tier or gear score increase so before you round up the townspeople and pick up the pitchforks, remember that next to the keywords gear score and world tier is the word DISCUSSION. Your feedback in this thread that you have cast aside as non-transparent "information" control is exactly the place for the community to participate in said discussion. So you see, while trying to claim this thread is pointless and pointing out all the things you assume are wrong with how we're approaching a potential gear score and world tier increase, you've actually highlighted why this thread is important if you could just take a step back, breath, and reply.

As for Global Events, what and where did anyone say they are focused solely on the DZ? Again, getting fired up and casting aside the discussion over an assumption you've manufactured entirely on your own.

Regardless, thank you for the feedback and being a part of the discussion though. Because whether you want to admit it or not, your replies here are a part of the ETF discussions as a whole. When all the ETF Charlie dust settles, we've have our workshop conversations, our gameplay conversations, our feedback in these threads, all added to the feedback pulled from our many channels every day.

Adbmaus
05-26-2017, 06:20 PM
You're getting fired up based off an assumption.

Also, this isn't intended to be transparent. We're not there yet as far as revealing everything being worked on or even what';s already being shown to the ETF. These updates are to try and show the community some of the broad scope of things being discussed inside the ETF workshops.

We also haven't confirmed how we would approach a new world tier or gear score increase so before you round up the townspeople and pick up the pitchforks, remember that next to the keywords gear score and world tier is the word DISCUSSION. Your feedback in this thread that you have cast aside as non-transparent "information" control is exactly the place for the community to participate in said discussion. So you see, while trying to claim this thread is pointless and pointing out all the things you assume are wrong with how we're approaching a potential gear score and world tier increase, you've actually highlighted why this thread is important if you could just take a step back, breath, and reply.

As for Global Events, what and where did anyone say they are focused solely on the DZ? Again, getting fired up and casting aside the discussion over an assumption you've manufactured entirely on your own.

Regardless, thank you for the feedback and being a part of the discussion though. Because whether you want to admit it or not, your replies here are a part of the ETF discussions as a whole. When all the ETF Charlie dust settles, we've have our workshop conversations, our gameplay conversations, our feedback in these threads, all added to the feedback pulled from our many channels every day.

Because that's the way it feels matt - The reason I stick around this game is because I look for a reason, any reason to keep playing - You know how I feel about PvP; it's great for the occasional jaunt, but you know as well as I do that I'm not exactly a people person; finding people that "get" me is not easy - there's a reason I stick to the solo PvE stuff for the most part, and that's getting stale - the reason for my frustration this time is because the flow isn't going both ways, and it's not like I'm even asking for specifics other than "well, was this discussed?" - Has the idea of a New Game + been discussed in terms of scope and ability in terms of what you can get away with in terms of the "cost" as Terry put it last friday? Is there any possibility of widening the scope of the hunter difficulty NPCs to the LZ? I was actually genuinely excited for Charlie because Yannick made it sound like Ubisoft/Massive/Redstorm were going to engage with the whoie community in at least a more than token scale with Charlie, rather than just release a survey which...I couldn't fill out by the way, so thanks for that.

And then, to boot it just feels like all You and Hamish care about is the DZ. What does that present as an image? Has it occurred to you, for example that engaging PvE players by doing your HVTs, or giving Underground, or doing the boss circuit and giving those aspects some love would go a long, long way to dispelling the perception of bias? When was the last time you played underground. Or survival - because every time I look on Tuesdays and Fridays, it's all last stand, all the time and it's infuriating. it's heartbreaking. I'm trying not to crap on you matt because you know I love the crap out of you. I actually love this game despite the amount of *****ing I do about it.

Thr3e2wenty8
05-27-2017, 07:28 AM
Matt, you've seen Fatal Attraction right? ^Homeboy is going to show up at your house and feed your family your pet bunny. Give the man his PvE.

Adbmaus
05-27-2017, 05:28 PM
Matt, you've seen Fatal Attraction right? ^Homeboy is going to show up at your house and feed your family your pet bunny. Give the man his PvE.

If I'm going to the trouble of boiling a bunny, I'm going to make a delicious rabbit stew.

Panth3r007_ETF
05-29-2017, 06:22 AM
I swear to Christ... a gear score increase with no new missions and all new gear to grind for will be the absolute last straw.

And since nobody is ever going to tell us what is going on,all I want to know is...when?
Is year 2 content going to make it while we're still in year 2?

When will 1.7 drop? When will 1.8 drop?


Hey buddy,
its already clear that 1.7 will come in this summer and 1.8 in this winter! Please believe me it will be great and you will really love both updates! The content of both updates will cover PVE and PVP and there is no old warmed up stuff! The staff of Massive, Reflection and Redstorm are really great and they love this game! So please have some patience something will happen quite soon! ;)

mckrackin5324
05-29-2017, 04:15 PM
Hey buddy,
its already clear that 1.7 will come in this summer and 1.8 in this winter! Please believe me it will be great and you will really love both updates! The content of both updates will cover PVE and PVP and there is no old warmed up stuff! The staff of Massive, Reflection and Redstorm are really great and they love this game! So please have some patience something will happen quite soon! ;)

You do know the first two ETFs said the same thing. Right?
Did you guys not discuss things from the first two ETFs that never saw the light of day? What makes you think this is different?

Just because you saw some stuff...that doesn't put it in the game.

And the nine month window you just quoted doesn't tell me anything.

vvhorus
05-30-2017, 02:53 PM
hey buddy,
its already clear that 1.7 will come in this summer and 1.8 in this winter! Please believe me it will be great and you will really love both updates! The content of both updates will cover pve and pvp and there is no old warmed up stuff! The staff of massive, reflection and redstorm are really great and they love this game! So please have some patience something will happen quite soon! ;)

lol!!