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Gibbage1
05-06-2004, 12:02 PM
Get more info here.

http://www.b17.org/

Fortunatly everyone is OK and the damage is not extensive. The main gear failed shortly after it landed. I guess it wont be flying to Chino. Its still hard to see these butiful birds damaged.

Gib

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

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Gibbage1
05-06-2004, 12:02 PM
Get more info here.

http://www.b17.org/

Fortunatly everyone is OK and the damage is not extensive. The main gear failed shortly after it landed. I guess it wont be flying to Chino. Its still hard to see these butiful birds damaged.

Gib

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Heavy_Weather
05-06-2004, 12:09 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif a hero has fallen

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Capt._Tenneal
05-06-2004, 12:13 PM
It is sad when one of these precious still-flyable WW II birds crashes, but my concern is first and foremost for the pilots and any passengers, so I'm glad no one was hurt.

I still remember when the CAF He-111 variant crashed, the only remaining flyable version in the world, with the pilot and co-pilot as fatalities. That was a sad day.

BaldieJr
05-06-2004, 12:15 PM
Too bad. But aluminum is bringing almost $2 a pound! Scrap it!

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre>

SKULLS Virga
05-06-2004, 12:17 PM
I havn't seen pictures but I bet all four props struck the ground which will send the engines all into very expensive overhauls.

Yes very good news that it was a low speed occurance and everyone is unheart but it will set them back a long ways financially.

reload2000
05-06-2004, 12:51 PM
It really dont sound like it was enough damage to keep this bird off the ground. Im sure they'll fix it soon.

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Gibbage1
05-06-2004, 12:56 PM
Im sure also, but the more birds fall, the less likley they are to rise again. Not just damage, but the insurance is just insane on those birds! It cost's 400-500$ just to get a ride now. Not to long ago, the price was 150$-300.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by reload2000:
It really dont sound like it was enough damage to keep this bird off the ground. Im sure they'll fix it soon.

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My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Gibbage1
05-06-2004, 12:56 PM
That was just so wrong on many ways. Please go play CFS3 like all the other kids.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Too bad. But aluminum is bringing almost $2 a pound! Scrap it!

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

BlackPhenix
05-06-2004, 12:57 PM
Ouch, but don't panic they are fixing it. The gear collapsed. Strange thing is the owner wants to take people up for short paid flights. I wonder if this is an omen of something.

Arm_slinger
05-06-2004, 01:03 PM
She'll be alright

There are tonnes and tonnes of B17 spares in the US. Plus i dont think the people who appriciate flying in a war bird will allow her not to fly either. I bet enough money is made to keep the fort in very good care

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Monty_Thrud
05-06-2004, 01:17 PM
I hope they get this old lady back where she belongs...back in the air...i just hope one day i'll be able to experience what it was like to fly in one of these beauties

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Red_Storm
05-06-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
That was just so wrong on many ways. Please go play CFS3 like all the other kids.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Too bad. But aluminum is bringing almost $2 a pound! Scrap it!

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't take it so personally. Besides, weren't you the one still playing CFS3? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Gibbage1
05-06-2004, 02:12 PM
No. I only played 5 mins of CFS3 to find out how HORRID it was. But I did make an aircraft for it! I was very well paid, and I still dont think it was worth the pain and agony. I doubt I will work on any other CFS3 aircraft.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:

Don't take it so personally. Besides, weren't you the one still playing CFS3? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Taylortony
05-06-2004, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
No. I only played 5 mins of CFS3 to find out how HORRID it was. But I did make an aircraft for it! I was very well paid, and I still dont think it was worth the pain and agony. I doubt I will work on any other CFS3 aircraft.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red_Storm:

Don't take it so personally. Besides, weren't you the one still playing CFS3? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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So does the 1 after Gibbage infer u prefer CFS1?

Don't worry about the 17 its only Tin....and tin is easy to fix http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif the donks are the expensive bit, if its suffered prop strikes under power then its a strip down of them to NDT the cranks, bent blades within limits are not a prob as you just rebend em straight again, but thats still prop overhauls on the ones effected....

Gibbage1
05-06-2004, 03:18 PM
The 17 was going 30MPH under power and about to pull off the runway just after landing. So ya, it was under power, but idle.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
No. I only played 5 mins of CFS3 to find out how HORRID it was. But I did make an aircraft for it! I was very well paid, and I still dont think it was worth the pain and agony. I doubt I will work on any other CFS3 aircraft.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red_Storm:

Don't take it so personally. Besides, weren't you the one still playing CFS3? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

---<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So does the 1 after Gibbage infer u prefer CFS1?

Don't worry about the 17 its only Tin....and tin is easy to fix http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif the donks are the expensive bit, if its suffered prop strikes under power then its a strip down of them to NDT the cranks, bent blades within limits are not a prob as you just rebend em straight again, but thats still prop overhauls on the ones effected....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

porcupine1
05-06-2004, 03:40 PM
oh man I just heard about this! Oh it wont be an easy fix however I guess the props were damaged as well as some engine issues now. and I would Imagine the belly turret ist in the best shape either. And I guess that was bear to fix they recronstructed almost all of it. the turrets art easy to get ahold of as spare parts either. almost all of them are in museums.
the good thing is that it an american AC wich mean most parts are standard and can be gotten off of other Ac other then B17s.
Poor poor Overcast! I hope she flys agian soon.
Here is a photo of Aluminum before she left oshkosh Last month. Thats my misses in the pilot seat. I know some of the guys who restored her as well as the woman who painted the nose art.
This plane is close to me and i hope she isnt doomed to sit in the hanger. Its like a bird with no wings. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
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Eagle_361st
05-06-2004, 03:44 PM
That's a shame, the good thing is nobody was injured and the plane should be fairly easy to get airworthy again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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gates123
05-06-2004, 03:57 PM
Any which way you look at it...its sad and there will be alot of work and $ to get her back up

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Did anyone see that or was it just me?

SKULLS Virga
05-06-2004, 04:00 PM
"The 17 was going 30MPH under power and about to pull off the runway just after landing. So ya, it was under power, but idle"

Unfortunately it won't matter how much power was applied when the props struck the ground. I'm 95% sure the F.A.R.s will require complete engine overhauls. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

VW-IceFire
05-06-2004, 04:01 PM
Yeah this is always scarry stuff. You hope its never the last time the plane flies because its a shame. These historic aircraft, refurbished or built from scratch are a tribute to the timeperiod and a reminder of a world that we should be eager to remember and reluctant to recreate.

About a year ago the Canadian Warplane Heritage had a nasty accident involving the Lancaster and the DC-3 Dakota (C-47). Fortunately the majority of the damage was done to the DC-3's wing which is fairly easy to replace (DC-3 parts are relatively easy to find) compaired to if the same had happened to the Lancaster. Both are still flying and looking as beautiful as ever.

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Chuck_Older
05-06-2004, 04:06 PM
I saw a B-17 land at a small local airport, and I got to go in it, about 10 years ago. Wow. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Was that a thrill.


It's too bad that accidents happen, but no-one was hurt, which is always the real loss. Aircraft can be replaced, after all, unless it's a one of a kind. B-17 is a tough bird to be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
05-06-2004, 04:07 PM
its a shame, but its important to see these planes flying imo
b17 a strong bird, hopefully be ok

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SKULLS Virga
05-06-2004, 04:10 PM
I have no doubt she will fly again - after all people will travel to glaciers and recover crushed P-38's. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It is however a big setback in terms of finances and insurance.

surlybirch
05-06-2004, 04:23 PM
That's a real shame to hear.

I got to fly in that bird in 1995 as part of a media trip. I will never forget that experience. The thing I'll remember most is sitting in the bombardier's seat with my big ol' news camera and shooting straight down~!

If I could figure out how to get that story on my computer I'd share it with ya'll.

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PBNA-Boosher
05-06-2004, 04:26 PM
I'm glad everyone's okay. But I'm even more glad that the damage was not extensive. It's a major risk, flying these planes, but I believe it's worth it. Decades from now, the people who flew in these wonderful fighters and bombers and other aircraft of World War 2 will be lost to us for eternity. But with some money and a little luck, the planes will still be there, flying like they always did!

DaBallz
05-06-2004, 06:47 PM
Damage seems minimal, the engines will demand a "sudden stop inspection"
and will at least need new props and likely
reduction gear boxes.

Engine parts for the GR-1820 wrights are
relativly easy to get. My guess it the plane
will fly very soon.

Da...

Snuffy_Hadden
05-06-2004, 07:31 PM
Dial up BEWARE!

See the video here (http://kcbs.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=2643&tf=kcbsviewer.tpl)

:salute:

porcupine1
05-06-2004, 09:51 PM
ohh that almost made me cry!
those engines took a whalup!
its that belly gunners turret thats gunna be the bear!!

SKIDRO_79FS
05-06-2004, 10:11 PM
I have no doubt it will be rebuilt and in the air again, another B-17 "Nine O Nine", owned by the Collings Foundation was crashed and suffered alot more damage than this video shows and it was rebuilt and is still flying. The B-24 "Diamond Lil" that the CAF owns and operates also suffered a similar gear failure several years ago and it was restored to flyable condition.

In regards to the Belly Turret and Chin Turret they might be tough to replace but there are others around. Maybe this will also give them the chance to put in a complete top turret as well, when I toured the plane back in the late 90's all that was there was the shell.

LeadSpitter_
05-07-2004, 12:52 AM
Its definatly fully insured if they are flying passengers and its a business. The footage looked like it was almost stopped when the gear collapsed

It looks like the little fall wasnt bad enough to damage the airframe or anything serious. Im sure it will be up and flying again very soon

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Taylortony
05-07-2004, 01:23 AM
it was doing 30mph at the time, looks like someone retracted em http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

porcupine1
05-07-2004, 01:33 AM
ya she will fly agian. i have know idea about the gear thing. Ive never seen that before. its odd the tail wheel didnt retract but the front ones looked like they collapsed but at the same instant. odd?

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05-07-2004, 01:58 AM
Ouch!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
That'll be THE ride of a lifetime for the passengers

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TC_Stele
05-07-2004, 02:45 AM
Wow, thats some footage. Poor thing looks so helpless just laying there. Terrible to see. Bad fortunately the damage isnt terribly extensive from what's being said.

I saw the Nine O Nine just a few weeks ago in Burbank. Must've been quite a scare to suddenly just drop like that.