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Venom079
04-26-2004, 09:12 AM
Hi folks! Here recently, I've been trying to master the thunderbolt even though I love to fly all a/c in AEP. The jug has always been a favorite of mine since a kid. I'm doing pritty well with it online, flying mostly on the Warclouds severs (great servers fellas!) but I do have a quick question for all you jug pilots out there...Low altitude fighting, what are your tactics? Not always, but a lot of the time dogfights end up below 1500m and the jug sux at low altitude d/f. How do you look at this scenario, just hang out up high and wait or dive in and take a chance. Most of the time when I do dive in on an enemy and get lucky enough to get a kill, there's a bloody bandit on my 6 and can't outclimb it...Plz, any suggestions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Venom079
04-26-2004, 09:12 AM
Hi folks! Here recently, I've been trying to master the thunderbolt even though I love to fly all a/c in AEP. The jug has always been a favorite of mine since a kid. I'm doing pritty well with it online, flying mostly on the Warclouds severs (great servers fellas!) but I do have a quick question for all you jug pilots out there...Low altitude fighting, what are your tactics? Not always, but a lot of the time dogfights end up below 1500m and the jug sux at low altitude d/f. How do you look at this scenario, just hang out up high and wait or dive in and take a chance. Most of the time when I do dive in on an enemy and get lucky enough to get a kill, there's a bloody bandit on my 6 and can't outclimb it...Plz, any suggestions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-26-2004, 09:20 AM
It's been said many times before, but here goes: Stay high (this is relative to the "normal" alt of the battles taking place in the room you're in) Dive in and correct...or turn... only once then extend using your speed to its advantage. Don't climb too quickly as most other planes can outclimb you.

Myself and a wingy do this with fairly good success and just the other day (last Wed.) we both had multiple kill sorties and rtb'd each time.

The Jug is a high altitude fighter OR low level mud mover. It's definitely NOT a low altitude fighter and trying it in this game usually means certain death.



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Venom079
04-26-2004, 09:27 AM
Thanks thunderbolt for the reply! Sorry for bringing up an old topic.(my bad)
Bottom line is that I need a lot MORE practice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-26-2004, 09:32 AM
Hey not a problem at all. I only said that because, while I have many hours in the Jug, there are others who "really" fly it well.

If I were to grade myself, I would give myself a low "B" as a grade in the Jug. You need to talk to an "A" student is all.

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VW-IceFire
04-26-2004, 09:45 AM
Practice in the Jug, get used to it, get a feel for when its going to stall and when its not going to (start with the D-10 btw, best fighter of the bunch), and then work your way up. Its a BNZ type plane so turn fights are out (although at 450 kph you probably have better turning than most other planes so you'll have moments of advantage).

The other thing will be when the plane DM/FM is changed with the next patch...then it should be relatively good in the right hands.

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p1ngu666
04-26-2004, 09:46 AM
jug is hard to master http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i think the best bet is to drag enemys to friendlys
just nail it, u can pretty much ignore overheat

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Eagle_361st
04-26-2004, 09:53 AM
As Thunderbolt said, stay fast and keep your altitude. Avoid the twisting turning low-level engagements. If you want to knife fight in a Jug, grab a D-10 she is very agile for a P-47 and once you get a feel for her you can suprise many enemy pilots. Another thing to remember when turning at speed or otherwise in the Jug, remember to roll into turns this will help you keep your speed as well as gain some. Master deflection shooting and high speed maneuvors, this is where the Jug shines.

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xTHRUDx
04-26-2004, 09:58 AM
i bet we'll start to see more jug aces once the guns get fixed.

Eagle_361st
04-26-2004, 10:04 AM
That's possible but it takes more than more powerful guns to make an "ace" in any aircraft. The Jug is very much a thinking mans plane, you have to fly especially smart to be successful in her, one mistake and you are FUBAR.

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BuzzU
04-26-2004, 10:06 AM
The Jug. My Mustangs big brother.

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Venom079
04-26-2004, 10:15 AM
Thanks fellas for all of your suggestions on the "jug"! Will definately help me out a lot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
much appreeesh! Hope to see you all in the air http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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StellarRat
04-26-2004, 11:27 AM
If you really want to use it at low level make sure to keep your speed way up (like 400+), so you can turn quickly. Attack by roaring in full throttle then flying through the battle and turning around slowing to attack again at high speed. Kind of like a horizontal B and Z.

Get a wingman.

Don't fight one on one. Look for a furball that you can pick someone off in that is already busy.

Also take whatever shots you can get without turning sharply. You've got plenty of ammo so a poor shot is worth a try cause you might get lucky.

Don't get in turning battle with anything other then a 190 or a twin engine plane.

You're really much safer above 4000 doing B and Z.

tttiger
04-26-2004, 12:38 PM
Think of it this way:

You don't "fight" in a Jug, you "attack" in a Jug (or any high wing load B&Z plane for that matter).

Hit and Run. Don't expect a kill on every pass, just get out of Dodge (extend), climb and come back again.

You said it yourself in your first post. Stay high and wait. Stay out of furballs. Look for loners. This is a game of patience. You're playing chess while all those T&B pilots are playing checkers.

And, yes, if you have a squaddie on voice coms, by all means drag and bag. The only difficulty is deciding which of you is going to be the "bait." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aloha,

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Venom079
04-26-2004, 12:41 PM
thnx tttigerhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, well said m8!

Maple_Tiger
04-26-2004, 02:16 PM
I think they all have said what i would have said.

Ill add another tip to the the list as well. One improtant thing in the Jug, is to master energy retention.

When turning or manuvering, do not pull hard on the stick to the point where the plane shakes. That is a big no no. When she is shaking then you know you are wasting Energy. The more you pull on the stick, the more E you'l lose.

Not managing E can result in death.

Not calculating your enemy's E can bring certain death.


The D10 is a little more manuverable and faster then the D27. Although the D27 has way better view. You can make some very sweet deflection shots with the D27.

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Venom079
04-26-2004, 02:21 PM
Thnx mapleT for the "E" heads-up! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BS87
04-26-2004, 03:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
The Jug. My Mustangs big brother.

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