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skunkertx
01-25-2004, 06:52 PM
Almost a century after suffering a bitter defeat at the hands of the invading United States Army, the Mexican military sent a volunteer group of pilots and ground personnel to fight with the United States: To help the Allies defeat fascism in the world's greatest conflict. It was the only time in the history of Mexico that that country would send a military force outside its borders to fight on foreign soil and the only time the U.S. and Mexico would join to fight a mutual enemy. This successful project set the stage for an unprecedented working relationship and friendship between the two countries that continues to this day. The unique military unit that helped make this possible was the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force (Fuerza Aerea Expedicionaria Mexicana) better known as Squadron 201.

Here's a little video I made using historic footage from the archives.
Aztec Eagles Movie Trailer (20mbs) (http://www.texasairmuseum.com/temp/azteceagles.mov)

skunkertx
01-25-2004, 06:52 PM
Almost a century after suffering a bitter defeat at the hands of the invading United States Army, the Mexican military sent a volunteer group of pilots and ground personnel to fight with the United States: To help the Allies defeat fascism in the world's greatest conflict. It was the only time in the history of Mexico that that country would send a military force outside its borders to fight on foreign soil and the only time the U.S. and Mexico would join to fight a mutual enemy. This successful project set the stage for an unprecedented working relationship and friendship between the two countries that continues to this day. The unique military unit that helped make this possible was the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force (Fuerza Aerea Expedicionaria Mexicana) better known as Squadron 201.

Here's a little video I made using historic footage from the archives.
Aztec Eagles Movie Trailer (20mbs) (http://www.texasairmuseum.com/temp/azteceagles.mov)

GR142_Astro
01-25-2004, 07:25 PM
Very nice work.

So you have a movie trailer, sell the idea and get a full-length motion picture produced.

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IroncladGnome
01-25-2004, 07:46 PM
that music is really familiar... what game/movie is that from? CoD?

Sturmvogel66
01-25-2004, 07:53 PM
EXCELLENT!!!! That video almost made me cry because it had some of the coolest in air camera shots I have ever seen....all I can say is wow...and that music was killer. Great work man!

skunkertx
01-25-2004, 07:56 PM
Hi Ironclad, yes, from COD!! Can you believe it? No one can believe it's from a video game.

IroncladGnome
01-25-2004, 08:33 PM
What part? i remember hearing it in a trailer before they updated their site, but i couldn't find it again.

Bearcat99
01-25-2004, 08:38 PM
That was absolutely stunning. The clip was short but said so very much. Did you notice how in the guncam footage of the bridge attack the bombs looked like they do in FB when they go off? I wish I could find some guncam footage of the Tuskegee Airmen..but most of it was destroyed after the war.......

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01-25-2004, 08:41 PM
I'm getting no sound at all...the visuals are nice however.

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T_O_A_D
01-25-2004, 09:10 PM
Yeh very nice! This world community we have here is teaching me more and more of the world committment and ivolveness in the second war.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-25-2004, 11:26 PM
Bumping to the top! More should have the pleasure to view this. Great work! Looking forward to your next project.
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Copperhead310th
01-25-2004, 11:57 PM
Yep the 201st FS MEAF was part of the 58th FG along with the 69th FS, the 310th FS (our namesake) & the 311th FS!


that was amazing! I evern caught a glimpse of a yellow nosed 47 in 1 shot! Awsome awsome work.
I always hope that one day some one will do a full fledged movie about the 58th FG & the 201st MEAF. they were some of the hardest fighting pilots in the war....& took a heavy beating at Moronado. The 58th FG never quite got the recognition the deseved from the US goverment or the Sr Commanders of the Air Corps at the time. The Philipenes loved em though. & no wonder the drove the Japanese from every corner of the Phill.

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skunkertx
01-26-2004, 11:42 AM
The Mexican Air Force (Aztec Eagles) never faced any opposition in the air, but they did bomb and strafe a number of various soft targets in Luzon.

An interesting note: One of the pilots was the son of the world's first fighter pilot--a mercenary who fought for Pancho Villa in the Mexican Revolution and used Curtiss Pushers to strafe Villa's opponents. I believe this is in 1911. Happened on the Texas border, btw.

TheGozr
01-26-2004, 12:28 PM
I'm realy imprest..
We want more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's an Exelent job, got some tears to my eyes.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LeadSpitter_
01-26-2004, 04:56 PM
Impressive, what videos did you use to get the footage from? Amazing quality and touching rememberance.

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jayarbro
01-26-2004, 05:22 PM
I was thinking about making my next campaign around them, but I haven't foumd a map that will work for the Phillipines. I already did the skin, but I am saving it. Maybe the "Aces" patch will have a new map that will work.
Anybody got any ideas?

skunkertx
01-26-2004, 05:51 PM
Hey Jayarbo,
I'd love to play your campaign! Let me know if you need anything, I know one of the pilots from the Mexican squadron.

Leadspitter, some of the footage was never-before-seen...taken straight out of the Mexican archives deep in Mexico City, I believe. I'll have to ask my friend, he's the one who got them for me. The other footage was taken from the famous "Thunderbolt" documentary done by Hollywood actor James Stewart.

frag_bravo
01-26-2004, 06:19 PM
I'am mexican American.And watching that brief and stunning movie made me proud!NIce movie.Like someone said in the post before me sell the idea to hollywood

NTESLA
01-26-2004, 07:06 PM
Very good trailer!!! I really want to see this film made in real life! or at least as a documentary! These fine men are still alive and I as well as many here would like to hear their stories! Good work! Let me know if you need any help or assistance in it!

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jayarbro
01-26-2004, 08:30 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skunkertx:
Hey Jayarbo,
I'd love to play your campaign! Let me know if you need anything, I know one of the pilots from the Mexican squadron.
***
I would love to work on it. I have the official action record off the internet, but real stories of what happened would be much better. I will PM you with my e-mail.
Tienes photos de los aviones como estaban en realidad? Voy a hablar mas con usted porque estoy muy interesado en eso.

Ins_Javert
01-26-2004, 09:13 PM
Very good, can't wait for more, seriously, write up a story and sell it to Hollywood. Talk about a forgotten battle, this would be a great story.

tttiger
01-26-2004, 09:51 PM
Excellent! A treat to watch!

Mil Gracias!

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lazio5
01-27-2004, 02:26 AM
wow, played alot of COD and dont remember feeling like this... very very nice.

Rajvosa
01-27-2004, 02:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
That was absolutely stunning. The clip was short but said so very much. Did you notice how in the guncam footage of the bridge attack the bombs looked like they do in FB when they go off? I wish I could find some guncam footage of the Tuskegee Airmen..but most of it was destroyed after the war.......

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Why was the footage destroyed, Bear? By whom? Darn pitty. I have a few photos though.



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jayarbro
01-27-2004, 07:38 AM
Hey skunkertx,
Check your private topics.

skunkertx
01-27-2004, 09:24 AM
Hey Jayarbro,
Sorry, but I don't know how to check my PMs! Tell me how and I'll respond right away...

Bear, did you catch the new Tuskegee Airmen footage that was recently shown on PBS? Man it looked so good, so clear. They showed them training in Piper Cubs and small taildraggers before before they graduated to fighters.

lazio5
01-27-2004, 11:41 AM
skunker, im still enjoying the video.

I was wondering if you can give a little info on the credits and also, do you know the name of the pilot who`s father was an early pancho-pilot?

Afreaka
01-27-2004, 12:35 PM
yeahh, try playing the movie backwards. It makes for a great dance track with a few glitches. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

skunkertx
01-27-2004, 12:51 PM
Lazio,
Thanks for your compliments.

To be honest, I am finding the pre-WWI aviation period very fascinating, specifically the Mexican-Revolution period when the US Army tried to hunt down Pancho Villa, a Mexican revolutionary bandit in the vein of Robin Hood who stole from the rich and gave to the poor.

Here's the story (in a nutshell): One day at a circus in El Paso, Texas, Pancho Villa sees a new "toy"--an airplane. Pancho Villa struck a deal with the magician and the airplane and asked if he would be willing to fight for his cause in Mexico. A priest (yes, a priest) and a pilot were hired to fly for Mexico, one for religious reasons, the other for knowledge, but both for money. They were American mercenaries. This became the world's first "Air Force". Villa's pilots strafed his opponents in Mexico and it wasn't long before Villa recognized the value of the airplane in a combat role. This happened around 1911. Just a few years later, Orville Wright had this to say about combat aircraft: "When my brother and I built the first man-carrying flying machine, we thought we were introducing into the world an invention which would make further wars practically impossible."

In 1913, a lone US pilot ferrying mail across the Rio Grande lost his heading and crashed landed in a small Mexican village near the Texas border. The Mexicans had never seen an airplane before, and like the Indians under the Spanish Conquest just a few centuries before, they began worshipping the plane thinking it was a religious spirit of some kind. It so happens that one of the leading colonels from Villa's opposing army was sleeping there for the night. He quickly took the pilot hostage and took him to the General of the Mexican Army. Here, the pilot struck a deal and agreed to fly for Mexico against Villa's forces. A month later, these pilots met over the skies of Mexico and had the first dogfight--a pistol duel in the sky as Mexican forces watched with awe. It is believed that no damage was inflicted to each side, so they quickly landed and shared a bottle of champagne with each other.

Whether the above story is true or not, scholars know one thing for sure--Pancho Villa did have an airforce and it was between 1911-1913. In 1915, the US Army in deep South Texas launched the world's first combat aircraft which would be fired upon by hostile forces as it crossed the Rio Grande River into Mexico. It was a Martin TT and was launched at Fort Brown, which is now a college (University of Texas at Brownsville). The funny thing is, is that the US Army pilots were not allowed to fire on bandits or hostile forces, so what some pilots would do was look for a bunch of cattle nearby the bandits and fly real low and buzz the cattle and make them stampede the bandits to death. Years later, a young pilot named Doolittle would also use this tactic when he was stationed to fly patrols on the Texas border.

Army plane launch at Fort Brown:
http://www.texasairmuseum.com/temp/plane.jpg

JaguarMEX
01-27-2004, 01:10 PM
OMG exellent work, I'm mexican but I never really knew we had this war footage, amazing

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jayarbro
01-27-2004, 03:07 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skunkertx:
Hey Jayarbro,
Sorry, but I don't know how to check my PMs! Tell me how and I'll respond right away...
*******

Go to the top of the page & click on "My Space"
On the drop down list click "Private Topics".
Click in the topic to open it like the forum window.

Bearcat99
01-27-2004, 03:45 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rajvosa:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bearcat99:
That was absolutely stunning. The clip was short but said so very much. Did you notice how in the guncam footage of the bridge attack the bombs looked like they do in FB when they go off? I wish I could find some guncam footage of the Tuskegee Airmen..but most of it was destroyed after the war.......


Why was the footage destroyed, Bear? By whom? Darn pitty. I have a few photos though.


You have to understand....at that time although we as a nation were the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" we were by no means the nation we are today or the nation we can be..or the nation of our ideals. Many black soldiers in WW2 were lynched when they came home .....in uniform. In the south where the German prisoners of war were kept, THEY wewre treated better by the local whites than many of the black soldiers who came home and the locals who lived there. Fortunately, although we have a long way to go, and the conditions of the test continue to change, America is not the same nation it was 60 years ago. One of the reasons why Lee Archer is the only Ace to come from the 332nd FG is that once black pilots got close to the requisite number of kills they were shipped out. This was done to specificlly insure that no black pilot qwould make ace. The reason Lee Archer made it was because he got his kills before anything could be done and even that was controversial because there was one that was questioned by the brass. In many cases kills were denied. At the end of the war the Airforce was not what it is today. If one person who had the means deemed something not worth saving...then it was destroyed...especially if it pretained to blacks. At that time we were not considered important enough. Dont forget...at that time why.... everybody knew that blacks lacked the intelligence, courage and discipline to fly in combat.... or that was the general consensus. Of course the men of the 332nd Fighter Group and the 477th Bombardment Group (although the 477th never got the chance to have any kind of meaningful role in the war) proved this theory to be totally false and the product of institutionalized rascism and ignorance. I have lots of photos too..... I know a few of the Airmen... I would love to have a sitdown with Lee Archer though.

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Cthulhu_Octopus
01-27-2004, 07:14 PM
My dad thinks that the man dressed in white and wearin black glases holding the mexican flag (I´m mexican too) in one scene is his uncle...

My... granducle (???) was a mechanic in the squadron 201..... maybe I can ask for something and share it with you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif....

man your work is just... BEUTIFUL.... Im pretty proud about the squadron and your video... well just beautiful

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JaguarMEX
01-28-2004, 08:19 AM
bump, this is a must see

In May 1942, Nazi submarines sank two Mexican tankers, and Mexico declared war against the Axis powers. Thus forming the 201st Mexican Fighter Squadron equipped with the P-47D and sent to fight in the Pacific
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Rajvosa
01-28-2004, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rajvosa:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bearcat99:
That was absolutely stunning. The clip was short but said so very much. Did you notice how in the guncam footage of the bridge attack the bombs looked like they do in FB when they go off? I wish I could find some guncam footage of the Tuskegee Airmen..but most of it was destroyed after the war.......


Why was the footage destroyed, Bear? By whom? Darn pitty. I have a few photos though.


You have to understand....at that time although we as a nation were the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" we were by no means the nation we are today or the nation we can be..or the nation of our ideals. Many black soldiers in WW2 were lynched when they came home .....in uniform. In the south where the German prisoners of war were kept, THEY wewre treated better by the local whites than many of the black soldiers who came home and the locals who lived there. Fortunately, although we have a long way to go, and the conditions of the test continue to change, America is not the same nation it was 60 years ago. One of the reasons why Lee Archer is the only Ace to come from the 332nd FG is that once black pilots got close to the requisite number of kills they were shipped out. This was done to specificlly insure that no black pilot qwould make ace. The reason Lee Archer made it was because he got his kills before anything could be done and even that was controversial because there was one that was questioned by the brass. In many cases kills were denied. At the end of the war the Airforce was not what it is today. If one person who had the means deemed something not worth saving...then it was destroyed...especially if it pretained to blacks. At that time we were not considered important enough. Dont forget...at that time why.... everybody knew that blacks lacked the intelligence, courage and discipline to fly in combat.... or that was the general consensus. Of course the men of the 332nd Fighter Group and the 477th Bombardment Group (although the 477th never got the chance to have any kind of meaningful role in the war) proved this theory to be totally false and the product of institutionalized rascism and ignorance. I have lots of photos too..... I know a few of the Airmen... I would love to have a sitdown with Lee Archer though.

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It's almost hard to believe, actually. You risk your life, you come back, with medals and stuf and find a welcoming commitee consisting of a bunch of hillbillys with white hoods and burning crosses, ready to lynch you.
I think we should be extremely grateful to those that fight injustice, racism and plain ignorance. My best friend is actually from Eritrea, and if anyone said anything against him they'd regret it.

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Bearcat99
01-28-2004, 09:14 AM
Absolutely...it is one of the reasons why I like coming here. Before I bought IL2 I had necver heard of The Aztec Eagles,Khozidub,Poryshkin,.... my knowlege was confined to my limited world of American and German aircraft and history. Now I am finding out more and more each day.

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skunkertx7
01-28-2004, 01:54 PM
A note to those who may send a PM or something, I no longer have access to my old username. Now it's "skunkertx7".

Sorry for the problems.

JaguarMEX
01-28-2004, 03:11 PM
It seems the site you are hosting the video is getting hammered, I tried to download it in my laptop but it's impossible

In May 1942, Nazi submarines sank two Mexican tankers, and Mexico declared war against the Axis powers. Thus forming the 201st Mexican Fighter Squadron equipped with the P-47D and sent to fight in the Pacific
http://www.flightsuits.com/images/patches/patch_201mfs.jpg

skunkertx7
01-28-2004, 03:25 PM
Okay, just fixed this. I added more POWAAAAAA!

jayarbro
01-29-2004, 01:53 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skunkertx7:
A note to those who may send a PM or something, I no longer have access to my old username. Now it's "skunkertx7".

Sorry for the problems
******
Hey skunkertx7... The e-mail address you sent me does not work either. I get undeliverable message. Can you PM one and I will send some screen shots for you.

skunkertx7
01-29-2004, 02:45 PM
Did you at least get my long winded message? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I'll PM....

jayarbro
01-29-2004, 04:05 PM
I did and they have a very interesting story. I will keep you posted in your PM if I get any further with the campaign idea.

Platypus_1.JaVA
01-29-2004, 04:29 PM
Hey... I didn't knew this piece of history. Thanks! nice vid!!

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LeadSpitter_
01-29-2004, 04:59 PM
skunk what software did you use for that? also Im wondering what good software can convert avi to mpeg or wmv with same video quality but lower file size

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skunkertx7
01-29-2004, 05:40 PM
Hi LeadSpitter,
Used Adobe Premiere Pro to edit and create the video and then exported the completed footage to Sorenson Squeeze to compress down the file size for Web usage.

As far as AVI to MPEG/WMV, there are tons. Just do a search for "avi to mpeg" in google or google.com/groups. YOu'll find 'em.

Good luck!

S201_BaRt-MaN
02-07-2004, 04:56 AM
Great Work!

Im a Mexican, and also a member of a clan that honor these great pilots...we play the game Battlefield 1942 ...our homepage is www.s201.com (http://www.s201.com)
....if you play BF1942 you can join us on our practice at #battlefield1942 on Undernet

Is there a problem if we convert this video to small size in flash....and set it up on our homepage?

Great work again! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Copperhead310th
02-07-2004, 10:55 AM
BF 1942????!

You guys should really come fly FB with us. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
the 69th & 310th are here. All we need ius the 201st & the 311th to complete the group!

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silg
02-07-2004, 11:57 AM
ill check this il2 game out, im also part of s201 of bf1942

if we join ill msg u

skunkertx7
02-07-2004, 11:35 PM
Bartman, PM me before using that video.

310th Falcon
02-08-2004, 04:55 PM
That was an excellent video!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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skunkertx7
02-22-2004, 11:40 PM
Thanks!