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NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 05:13 AM
please consider adding this plane

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NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 05:13 AM
please consider adding this plane

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jean-paul.bonneville/airkit72/images/FW190D11.JPG

CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 05:26 AM
no, we dont need it...........

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JG53Frankyboy
05-01-2004, 05:31 AM
we have realy enough late war Ć¼bermonsters.
-> we dont need it

NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 05:39 AM
it's not an ubermonsters

and you said we had enough late war plane sorry but with those yaks coming in the patch who never flow like yak3u or what else yak9ut i think the FwD11 didn't need a lot of work and will be a nice add because of the firepower he had(the FwD9 with only two 20mm is quite short in the current aep)

this plane flow as you can see in the picture in papagei staffel and other Jg probably

i hope more 109 variants and 190 too that's why i ask for it if you're not interested don't answer and do not Dl new aep patch when it cames because we don't need no other uberplane

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VVS-Manuc
05-01-2004, 05:40 AM
more and more and more....please NOT !!!

invun
05-01-2004, 05:48 AM
Oh, we need it!
D11 is as fast as D9 and has MG151/20 X2 + Mk108 X1 !!! Fantastic firepower, cool enough...

NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
more and more and more....please NOT !!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

so you not for having Pe2,B25,tempest,typhoon etc.........
what do you want Manuc?they have changed weapon efficiency in the patch coming and bug waht are you expecting more except new plane easy to made for developper and who will made happy people ?that's why i think we'll have those yaks i think in the patch it's like an extra for all vvs pilot so why not the same things for Lw one

i agree when they had plane who never flow like 109Z,horten,...but for the rest it had to the game

JG53Frankyboy
05-01-2004, 05:59 AM
i would never have asked for the comming Yak9UT and 3P also http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and, as same as yours , its a personal opinion. so, calm down perhaps.

you topic was "we need" . well, they would be nice if, bit there is no need.

lot of other porplmes in the game are still not solved . so ..........

VVS-Manuc
05-01-2004, 06:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
more and more and more....please NOT !!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

so you not for having Pe2,B25,tempest,typhoon etc.........
what do you want Manuc?they have changed weapon efficiency in the patch coming and bug waht are you expecting more except new plane easy to made for developper and who will made happy people ?that's why i think we'll have those yaks i think in the patch it's like an extra for all vvs pilot so why not the same things for Lw one

i agree when they had plane who never flow like 109Z,horten,...but for the rest it had to the game<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will belive this rumours about the fixes only, if i have downloaded and tested this "PATCH" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif for myself.
Up to now, all the "the patch will fix this and that" - posting are so true as the Rosswell incident for me... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

VVS-Manuc
05-01-2004, 06:02 AM
and to be honest...I would really prefer a flyable Pe-2, a Ju 88 or a Tempest than the 7th YAK variant or the 5th LAGG-3

NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 06:07 AM
armement is 2*Mk108 and 2*mg151/20

and yeah i prefer pe2,tempest etc...but they are made by 3rd party modeler so the only plane you can see from developpement team is plane asking for modification of plane already in game because they have no time anymore for made new plane

invun
05-01-2004, 06:48 AM
Oh, I've made a terrible mistake http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
I had taken D11 for D10/D12, which had 2 MG151s and 1 MK108 firing through the prop-hub, just same armament as Ta-152.
Now I need Fw-190D-10 or 12, not D11 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 07:38 AM
so why not havong D10/11/12 hehe

NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 07:55 AM
i ve check my doc here what i found from docavia n15
-Fw190D10:just one prototype werk Nr0045 V23 so no way to make it for the game
-fw190D11:a FwD9 with jumo213F and with 2*mg151/20:2*mk108.In december 1944,Fw product it but was stop mi-january by the apparition of FwD12/13
-Fw190D12:with jumo213F,Mw50,1*mk108 in the noise and two 2*mg151/20 like the tA152.he had 4 fuel tanks in wings with 315l on them.
-Fw190D13:same but with mg151/20 E in the noise was built in late march 1945 at low frequency

so it seems the most important FW190D we need is the Fw190D12 and then the D11(who served in papagei staffel,jg11...)

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Nub_322Sqn
05-01-2004, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
those yaks coming in the patch who never flow like yak3u or what else yak9ut<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those Yaks you mentioned did fly and did see combat.

Not that I care about the Yaks since I never fly them but your statement is incorrect in that regard.

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NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 08:37 AM
they saw combat but they enter in production in march 1945 for yak9ut like FW190D13 so they are quite limited in action
the yak3u started test flight on may 12may1945

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Brain32
05-01-2004, 08:40 AM
Any new plane or version of the existing plane is velcome. I don't care if it's German,Russian or anybody's else. Has anybody told you that war ended about 60 years ago?
And by the way oleg86, that OS, IE version and isp provider informaton was coll like first 100 times but it's becoming rather annoying now(or it's me nervous waiting for the patch?)...

CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 08:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brain32:
Any new plane or version of the existing plane is velcome. I don't care if it's German,Russian or anybody's else. Has anybody told you that war ended about 60 years ago?
And by the way oleg86, that OS, IE version and isp provider informaton was coll like first 100 times but it's becoming rather annoying now(or it's me nervous waiting for the patch?)...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm...where can you see it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Brain32
05-01-2004, 08:58 AM
Hehehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
05-01-2004, 09:03 AM
More fear of LW planes huh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We do need it. But then, we need all planes really. From all sides. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Just a shame the allied fliers are so vehemently anti (and scared of the) LW. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
05-01-2004, 09:03 AM
Double post.

LEXX_Luthor
05-01-2004, 09:29 AM
teh LuftWhiners ask for Fw-190Z-9-3stfu-45-3x-paragraph4-subsection-7c cos they enjoy simming the Defeat of the Luftwaffe (luftwhiners they are USA simmers after all).

True Fans of the Luftwaffe ask for Bf-109 B, C, and D cos they love simming the Rise of the Luftwaffe.


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NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 10:08 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
True Fans of the Luftwaffe ask for Bf-109 B, C, and D cos they love simming the Rise of the Luftwaffe.

i think those will be more work to do for develloper than adding FwD11/12 or a K4 with 2000hp at take off and i think Bf190b,c,d will be better in bob with the french battle addon

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Nub_322Sqn
05-01-2004, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
they saw combat but they enter in production in march 1945 for yak9ut like FW190D13 so they are quite limited in action
the yak3u started test flight on may 12may1945
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That's not what you said at first.

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Zen--
05-01-2004, 10:37 AM
Oleg has already said that it is unlikely any of the D11/12/13 variants will be included in the game due to lack of accurate information on them. He doesn't want to include a 'best guess' for what they are probably like.

While I would love to have them included too, I can't say they are really 'needed' in the game. Even though there are new Yaks coming, proper tactics and discipline will work as it always has...they aren't uber, any more than the La7 is. If you can beat the La with a D9, you can beat the new Yak's too.

-Zen-

JG53Frankyboy
05-01-2004, 11:14 AM
and just a reminder:
FZG_Harti is working on a Ta152C !
well ,that sould be enough monster for the LW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the late Doras are for me monsters ! because they have not ONLY the 30mm cannons. they have also a better engine that would give them a much better performance ! their engines would be similar to the Ta152H engine (without GM1)!

KGr.HH-Sunburst
05-01-2004, 11:35 AM
i would love to see a D10/11/12 but it isnt needed ,now if they just fix that DM bug and make the Mg151/20 stronger as it should i would be more than happy

on the other hand,with the next patch we are getting late Yaks nummero 242 plus a few more spitefuls and LaGGs and some other ugly early VVS thingy's
so a late LW bird would be nice

im hoping one day we get that Ta-152C wich is being worked on
and if we get that one there isnt realy a need for a D10/11/12

just my 0.2 cents

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BBB_Hyperion
05-01-2004, 11:52 AM
I would Vote for Dora with Special Low Alt compressor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ?

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LEXX_Luthor
05-01-2004, 12:50 PM
NN_EnigmuS:; <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
True Fans of the Luftwaffe ask for Bf-109 B, C, and D cos they love simming the Rise of the Luftwaffe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i think those will be more work to do for develloper than adding FwD11/12 or a K4 with 2000hp at take off and i think Bf190b,c,d will be better in bob with the french battle addon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes! It would take more work, like Ta~152 series instead of another Fw. Easy modification of existing models is one reason I like seeing Fb109Z in the FB. But, BoB planes cannot be used against FB Soviet planes in Spain (what is Spain?) Never Mind. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Still, any Fw addition is a good Fw addition. I must admit to this.

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NN_EnigmuS
05-01-2004, 01:03 PM
yeah but spain can be a complete sim i remenber Luftwaffe commander and fighting with He51 it was simply great but really need lot of work(plane,map....)perhaps some people will made an addon some day like french team did for BoB

anyway yes i agree with my poor english needed was perhaps too strong but yes i want them but if you said that oleg will not had them because of no data how can he put a TA152C in game there is no much data on it and no data at all of those prototypes we have in game lol like Bf109z,or horten

anyway hope for Ta152C even if he not see combat lol

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LEXX_Luthor
05-01-2004, 02:10 PM
You said...He51....I felt one of those fuzzy moments.

I say Flyable He~51, let P~51 be AI only. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif (just kidding - kind of)



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Bremspropeller
05-01-2004, 03:03 PM
BTW: How's the Ta152C progressing ? Any updates I missed ?

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VVS-Manuc
05-01-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
Oleg has already said that it is unlikely any of the D11/12/13 variants will be included in the game due to lack of accurate information on them. He doesn't want to include a 'best guess' for what they are probably like.

While I would love to have them included too, I can't say they are really 'needed' in the game. Even though there are new Yaks coming, proper tactics and discipline will work as it always has...they aren't uber, any more than the La7 is. If you can beat the La with a D9, you can beat the new Yak's too.

-Zen-
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are there more accurate informations about the Bf 109 Z or the I-185?

BlitzPig_DDT
05-01-2004, 06:50 PM
Maybe, just maybe, no guessing was needed for the 109Z. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ya'know, it is in keeping with his (Oleg's) comment about the fact that the 109Z was 'very aerodynamically sound' and that it would not be difficult to make an accurate FM for it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Snuffy_Hadden
05-01-2004, 07:35 PM
We don't need any more Axis single seaters.

Give us what we truly want!! Finish the B-17 and make it flyable. Please! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

p1ngu666
05-01-2004, 08:25 PM
u guys know that ta152c never flew in combat?
its over there, having a gossip with the go229 and 109z http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

id like to see a dora with a mk108, and the one with 3 20mm
the cowl looks like the one off ta152 so its a copy and paste job http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Zen--
05-01-2004, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
Are there more accurate informations about the Bf 109 Z or the I-185?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't say yes or no on the 109Z or the I185...but I specifically asked Oleg about the D11/12/13 and he said not enough data to include them.

-Zen-

Maj_Death
05-01-2004, 11:48 PM
We don't need a D11, I would definatly go for an Fw-190A2 though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. A Bf-110C or Me-410 would also be nice additions. Sure only a few thousand of them were built but they would be much more fun than some massively produced Fw-190D11.

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NN_EnigmuS
05-02-2004, 03:08 AM
i think you will see Me110C in bob that's why it will not be in Aep

and i agree with p1ngu666,Ta152c never saw combat so i think Fw190D11/12 will be more accurate if we need a late war FW with the Ta152H

and the no data excuse is very strange in front of in game horten,109Z and Ta152C if he coming on day

as i said Fw190D11 is quite similar as D9 but have a jumo 213F(more powerful)and two mk108 in wing and no 13mm gun
and D12 quite similar to d11 whitout those 2*mk108 in wings,but with one in noise and have 4 fuel tanks in wings with capacity of 315l

so D11/12 must be as fast as D9 but with better weapon and for D11 a worst roll rate because of 2*mk108 in wings

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Abraxa
05-02-2004, 03:54 AM
The D11 has my vote. We'll have the A6 (from the A5 I guess) and the D11 shouldn't be so difficult to build from the D9.
The problem of the reliable sources shouldn't be the reason not to make it, as long as we see planes like the 109Z or the Go.
Maybe if a modeller asks Oleg the D9 model to modify it in a D11 Oleg would give him.

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
05-02-2004, 04:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
I would Vote for Dora with Special Low Alt compressor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ?

Regards,
Hyperion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

can u explain a bit more ?
don't know about this bird http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kurfurst__
05-02-2004, 04:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
I would Vote for Dora with Special Low Alt compressor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ?

Regards,
Hyperion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

can u explain a bit more ?
don't know about this bird http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are some specs for a Dora-9 on the net with a "Bodenlader", or with a supercharger optimized for low altitudes, likes Spit MkVLF. It`s pretty scary at low levels, speed being 640 km/h vs. 615 k/h of the normal variant, however high altitude specs are somewhat worser.

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starfighter1
05-02-2004, 04:53 AM
hi,
first of all we need a' big fix' to the virtual pilots view (cockpit forward view in hight and combat view/beside 3D fixes to overframed parts of the struts/bars) in this famous warbird.

a reprogramming of the camera view system in game is usefull and important to many other planes too compare to more real pilots view.

outside design and nice panels are one side..
but the virtual cockpit view to a combat pc-sim is more important.
I guess the developer of IL2/FB need to much time for more progress in this case... or he is not interest to fix it in this running game...

anyway:many simers are waiting for a correction patch since IL2 came out.
any past and future comments, that this cockpit forward view design in IL2/FB is near reality dont't know about he is talking...

my two cents to this ...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
please consider adding this plane

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
05-02-2004, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ToP_BlackSheep:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
I would Vote for Dora with Special Low Alt compressor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ?

Regards,
Hyperion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

can u explain a bit more ?
don't know about this bird http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are some specs for a Dora-9 on the net with a "Bodenlader", or with a supercharger optimized for low altitudes, likes Spit MkVLF. It`s pretty scary at low levels, speed being 640 km/h vs. 615 k/h of the normal variant, however high altitude specs are somewhat worser.
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WOW impressive.

i think it would be easyer to add this plane.
and would be more usefull, because u can fly low level escort for F8's, and keep there *** save much easyer.

NN_EnigmuS
05-02-2004, 05:24 AM
don't know about that too but can be very interesting hehe

it will be very cool to have this one too with D11/12 so will have a powerful D9 at low alt and some powerful D9 in gunnery

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Bremspropeller
05-02-2004, 08:04 AM
I still don't get why Oleg has agreed to include the Ta152C into the game while saying in a different thread that he has too less footage about the D-11/12/13 models.

Erm, the Ta152C actually NEVER saw combat (though I wouldn't complain if it was included http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) while a hand full of every late Doras were used as frontline fighters.

They had a highter high-alt performance than the Dora-9 (but a worse low level performance), since they got the same engine as the Ta152H - only with the standard-wings.

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NN_EnigmuS
05-02-2004, 09:30 AM
Ta152H have a junkers jumo 213E1
fw190D11/12/13 had jumo 213F
Fw190D9 had jumo 213A1

so late war fw had no the same engine as Ta152H1

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NN_EnigmuS
05-02-2004, 09:35 AM
strange had different source from the net it said that FWD11,D12,D13 had same engine than Ta152H

and from Docavia it said they had jumo213F perhaps it is an evolution of the Ta152 engine

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robban75
05-02-2004, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
I would Vote for Dora with Special Low Alt compressor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ?

Regards,
Hyperion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It gets my vote aswell! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

But on the other hand, a Fw 190D-13 will do just fine! Up to 30 of them might have been produced.

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robban75
05-02-2004, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
speed being 640 km/h vs. 615 k/h of the normal variant, however high altitude specs are somewhat worser.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont forget that these speeds are with the ETC rack. For speeds without it add at least 6km/h to those numbers.

Also, can we get it with 150 octane fuel aswell?(Just kidding http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

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robban75
05-02-2004, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
so late war fw had no the same engine as Ta152H1
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The Ta 152H had the Jumo 213E, whereas the Fw 190D-11/12/13 had the Jumo 213F engine. The Ta152H and D-12/13 was to have been fitted with the more powerful Jumo 213EB engine in June 1945.

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DarthBane_
05-02-2004, 12:57 PM
We need tham, since ta152h1 came out to be the plane for tourists, i mean guys who like to fly high, and dont encounter anyone, everything in this game happens down low and curent version of ta152 is pure **** (i still like to fly it in QMB, where i set alt to 6000 and above), but for online we need something competely different like all Dora versions and ta152c, it would be coll to get k4 with 2000hp (not much work all 3d models allready in game).

[This message was edited by DarthBane_ on Tue May 04 2004 at 12:39 PM.]

NN_EnigmuS
05-03-2004, 04:50 AM
thanks for info roban

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PBNA-Boosher
05-03-2004, 12:41 PM
Let's get one thing straight.

We don't NEED it.

You WANT it.

NN_EnigmuS
05-04-2004, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Let's get one thing straight.

We don't NEED it.

You WANT it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

read all my previous post of this topic and you will see i already said what you said lol

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WUAF_Boxer
05-04-2004, 12:09 PM
I definately WANT it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WUAF_MS_Boxer

jeroen_R90S
05-04-2004, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
and to be honest...I would really prefer a flyable Pe-2, a Ju 88 or a Tempest than the 7th YAK variant or the 5th LAGG-3<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey! I like the LaGG and looking forward to the new series! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jeroen

Bremspropeller
05-05-2004, 12:37 PM
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bUmP !

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ASM 1
05-05-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
anyway hope for Ta152C even if he not see combat <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too! Even Oleg likes the idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif Think it did see combat, although only maybe 2 or 3.

and I would like to see a 109 K14 with the DB605L... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif oh but wait that's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif

S!

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ASM 1
05-05-2004, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
The Ta 152H had the Jumo 213E, whereas the Fw 190D-11/12/13 had the Jumo 213F engine. The Ta152H and D-12/13 was to have been fitted with the more powerful Jumo 213EB engine in June 1945.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oooh So we have scope for a "1945 TA-152 H" then?
more po-wer! gimme gimme! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

yes I know June '45 is essentially post war but given that we have YP-80, Go-229 etc etc.... It would be nice!

S!

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Future-
05-05-2004, 04:19 PM
While I would welcome such interesting planes like the Me-210, I fail to see the logic in demanding another 20-and-30-mm-armed 190.

Don't you have enough of those already? I agreee here with most of the posters on page 1, WE certainly DON'T need another 190.

And I'm glad Oleg already made clear that none of those D-10/11/12 birds will ever be included.


Give us some more flyable mediums (B-25, A-20 and Ju-88 are coming, HOORAY!) and heavys (I want a flyable B-17!), and some much needed fixes. That's what I say.

S!

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yakovlev_guy
05-05-2004, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
While I would welcome such interesting planes like the Me-210, I fail to see the logic in demanding another 20-and-30-mm-armed 190.

Don't you have enough of those already? I agreee here with most of the posters on page 1, WE certainly DON'T need another 190.

And I'm glad Oleg already made clear that none of those D-10/11/12 birds will ever be included.


Give us some more flyable mediums (B-25, A-20 and Ju-88 are coming, HOORAY!) and heavys (I want a flyable B-17!), and some much needed fixes. That's what I say.

S!

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you need to get off the bomber high horse. I'm tired of you always saying what we don't need and what we do need like you know best. you know what? tahts great, you have your opinion just like everyone else. do you have to come in here every 15 seconds and tell us what it is? you made your point already, why why why why why do you have to respond to everythread and tell everyone what they do and don't need?

jeeeezuuuuuus give it a break

Mc_Wolf
05-05-2004, 10:11 PM
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Why am I not surprised to hear someone require it in East front line?

There are lots of aircrafts should be added in FB, but not Dora.

It's really a waste to develope these funny aircrafts in FB.

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Future-
05-06-2004, 03:58 AM
@ yakovlev_guy: Judging from your posting counter, it seems you mostly just happened to reply to most of the threads I was in too.

Besides, there's certainly no "bomber high horse" here, since bombers are underrepresented in FB/AEP.
On the other hand, one could speak of a "fighter high horse", as most of the planes in the game are fighters, there are still several new ones coming up, but still there threads like this one asking for another variant of a plane that is already represented in several versions (plus one more, the 190-A6, coming in the patch).

And when I said "we" and "give us", I wasmostly referring to me and all the other bomberpilots in the community, who rather wanna see one new fully flyable bomber instead of getting another load of fighters.

And if you look closely, you'll notice that I'm BY FAR not the first person in this thread that said "we don't need another 190".

Me thinks you need a break. Get yourself a beer, chill a little. Or just shut up.
Because all you did here was critiscising me, you haven't added anything to the topic, unlike me.


S!

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Hoarmurath
05-06-2004, 05:02 AM
Well, having yet another variant of any plane doesn't appeal to me. I would prefer to have typical planes, like flyable russian medium bombers for example, or more italian bombers, like savoia marchetti SM79, or more early fighters like fokker DXXI.

For flyable heavy bombers, i would prefer to have Pe8 or Fw200 rather than B17.

I'm definitely not interested by prototypes, and i think they spoiled most of the coop games since Fb release (i have seen more than a hundred MIG 3U in coops, but only a score MIG 3, 3ud, 3 2*shvak). I presume all prototypes like BI-1, GO-229, Bf 109Z were included to please CFS like simmers... I wasn't interested in CFS, and i wouldn't be interested in a CFS/FB hybrid either.

This is my opinion. You may agree, or not, and we can even discuss it. But this is only "my" opinion.

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NN_EnigmuS
05-06-2004, 05:27 AM
yeah but all people here don't understand totally new plane are made by 3rd party modeller are you understand ?

the only thing you can expect from maddox developper is adding some variants of plane already in game or putting plane made by 3rd party developper

so all the plane you're asking for,must be ask at netwings 3d modellers forum not here because they have no time here for made new plane that's why i asking for more Fw190D,more 109 field mod and loadouts(and that's why there is so much yaks in the incoming patch of Aep even if it's not the most wanted plane).

and i said again FwD11/12/13 weren't prototype but Ta152C yes lol

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Mc_Wolf
05-06-2004, 06:06 AM
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There are many many aircrafts in CFS2, you will enjoy it. LOL CFS like simmers...

Every time, I see the similar post in SimHQ and FB forum,"We need more and more...", I just wanna...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

There are most important thing for sim.

More and more aircrafts? Only enjoy new models with a nice shell?! I can't understand it.

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NN_EnigmuS
05-06-2004, 06:53 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mc_Wolf:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There are most important thing for sim.

tell me what?except bugs,new DM and weapon efficiency(that's what we expecting for upcoming patch)

perhaps you are asking for graphical improvement sorry but how many people here can run Aep with perfect settings here.

perhaps are you talking about view system in cokpit you will never see it until BoB,perhaps are you asking for some FM change?sorry i feel great with the one we have yet(perhaps some change must be made if you have data showing waht you want).

so what you want more in this sim tell me?and you will clearly saw that expect bug,gameplay problem(like the DM is now or muzzleflash),new versions of existing plane and including 3rd party modellers work,the maddox team had no time for the rest

so with the patch we all wish that bugs and Dm will be corrected and after that what can you expect more of this game than new plane.

and i'm sure you're the first to flow new plane like everybody here.how can people doesn't want new plane lol i want to fly all of those:Pe2,Ju88,B25,Hs129,italian planes,tempest,typhoon,spit....

and i was asking for D11/12/13 because of the time they cost to maddox developpers as i already said.
my wish is not more stupid than the wish of Vef VVs fighters asking for more yaks or Lw one asking for FwA6

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Mc_Wolf
05-06-2004, 07:29 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mc_Wolf:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Answer below...Just discussing, don't wanna make you unhappy.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
There are most important thing for sim.

tell me what?except bugs,new DM and weapon efficiency(that's what we expecting for upcoming patch)
--Yes

perhaps you are asking for graphical improvement sorry but how many people here can run Aep with perfect settings here.
--Nope and never

perhaps are you talking about view system in cokpit you will never see it until BoB,perhaps are you asking for some FM change?sorry i feel great with the one we have yet(perhaps some change must be made if you have data showing waht you want).
--Nope,FB is great but can be better in FM & DM, there are many proves for some errors in FM & DM in forum.

so what you want more in this sim tell me?and you will clearly saw that expect bug,gameplay problem(like the DM is now or muzzleflash),new versions of existing plane and including 3rd party modellers work,the maddox team had no time for the rest

so with the patch we all wish that bugs and Dm will be corrected and after that what can you expect more of this game than new plane.

and i'm sure you're the first to flow new plane like everybody here.how can people doesn't want new plane lol i want to fly all of those:Pe2,Ju88,B25,Hs129,italian planes,tempest,typhoon,spit....

--LOL I fly 190A in most time in FB. Don't have much interest in those funny babies.Did you see someone only fly Spitfire and Ki-48 online ? Why?
Pe2,Ju88,B25, indeed in East front line, I prefer these planes in AEP at first, but not P-51 and Go-229.

and i was asking for D11/12/13 because of the time they cost to maddox developpers as i already said.
my wish is not more stupid than the wish of Vef VVs fighters asking for more yaks or Lw one asking for FwA6

--FB=Forgotten battle, right? IL2 is in Easten front line,right? I never refuse these new aircrafts, but I think it's a wrong place for the game. Maybe Oleg have his own idea about the development for some incoming sim. That's same as writing an article. You should put everything in an article? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

More and more aircrafts? Only enjoy new models with a nice shell?! I can't understand it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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p1ngu666
05-06-2004, 08:15 AM
it wouldnt take long to add another dora, a new bomber takes AGES
thats the point
i figure its ta152 hood pasted onto dora minor cockpit changes and fm

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Boandlgramer
05-06-2004, 09:50 AM
I understand FutureāĀ“s feeling.
when you create a westallied Bombersquadron, but there is no Bomber flyable for them , thatāĀ“s bad.
but anyway, i will take ANY plane( have seen combat or not), where get it in the game.
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luftw4ffles
05-06-2004, 10:31 AM
we need more 190s armed with 30mm cannons to down overmodeled bomber aircraft with "sniper-like" AI gunners, which are overmodeled as well.

Id say if a third party modeled these aircraft, there shouldn't be a problem. It will in no way hinder or prevent the inclusion of other aircraft.

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Future-
05-06-2004, 11:15 AM
@ pingu:"it wouldnt take long to add another dora, a new bomber takes AGES
thats the point"

You're right, but I'd gladly throw away half of all those 190s, 109s, IL-2s and Yaks for more bombers!

Besides, ONE variant of a fighter may not take long, you might even wanna do two, but it adds up... and by the time you have finished the 5th "variant" of one and the same plane, you also could have easily made some advance in creating a totally new one. Think about that too.


@ Boandl: Thank you! It's truely bad, but at least we know the B-25 is coming...
However, I have to partially disagree on the "all planes are welcome" thing: let's rather put it like this - most of the planes are welcome. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


@ luftw4ffles: "we need more 190s armed with 30mm cannons to down overmodeled bomber aircraft with "sniper-like" AI gunners, which are overmodeled as well"

Hell, the gunners have been nerfed to no end, they are definitely no longer as dangerous as they were up until FB version 1.22.
If you still get shredded by the current ai gunners, you've probably not yet figured out a proper way to attack these planes. Plus, bomber DM also already was modified.

We have plenty of good planes, both axis and allied; we have the tremendously tweaked gunners; so requesting a new plane that counters what you consider "uber" is definitely not appropriate in this case.

NOTE: You're right faustnik, Message edited. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[This message was edited by Future- on Thu May 06 2004 at 06:06 PM.]

luftw4ffles
05-06-2004, 11:24 AM
you still dont get it, including more planes that aren't bombers wont prevent bombers from being included. THis is because they are done by third party modelers. capeish?

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p1ngu666
05-06-2004, 11:32 AM
futures point is valid, but now they not doing entirely new planes its a moot point. i want more bombers too, but late dora's arent going to take long todo, im guessin they all pretty similer 3d/cockpit wise, fm similer, so we could have 3 or whatever

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yakovlev_guy
05-06-2004, 11:40 AM
future, you are such an arrogant a**h***

you are the kind of person who craps all over everyone just to get his own way. you think its ok to insult people who don't think like you, then you want to get the attitude like everyone else is stupid for not thinking the 3way you do. you should be banned because all you od is spout off b*llsh*t, insult people and act as though you are the only one who matters

did anyone ever say that il2 was a western game? no they didn't. they added western planes that saw action in the russian war. then they added a few more that didn't becuaes they wanted to and now after 3 years of this game starting on teh estern front and slowly moving west, suddenly you and you alone have decided that il2 is was and always will be a western front sim and is really messed up because it has no flyable b17.

you baby, you poor baby. I'm sorry il2 doesn't have your favorite plane but stop crying about it and stop insulting everyone like an arrogant a**. you act like only you know whats best in this game but really I think you an overgrown child crying to get attention.

you really need to think about some of the things you say, you probbly have no idea how stupid it makes you look. and how stupid you make your squad look because you have the 310/380 patch on


do you ever think before you post?

Bogun
05-06-2004, 12:34 PM
Gents,
The reality check.
There are very many people around with their favorite aircrafts missing from the game – they are understandably upset, butā.... BUTā...

Adding completely new aircraft with all externals, DM, FM, cockpits – is a major effort.
Even if all externals and cockpit made by the third party 3D modeler.
Adding another plane in existing ā"plane familyā" – just tweaking existing FM and DM – may be easier. 1C has so much on their plate (upcoming PT, BoB, other games) give them a breakā... What they are giving us is a gift – so letā's lower the temperature here and try to enjoy the gameā...

As my personal opinion – I think that Pe-2 and Hs-129 – two of the most missed planes in the game from very beginningā... But I am still aliveā... I learn to live without them, somehowā... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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faustnik
05-06-2004, 05:45 PM
Future,

You should edit your post and take out some of the personal accusations. Calling someone the "worst pilot in here" because of an opinion is a little much. You are being exactly like the guys who gave you a hard time for flying 'arcade' style.

(Friendly observation, that's all)

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DarthBane_
05-06-2004, 06:20 PM
I must say that here i found the most feble minded replies i found so far. People who dont understand the difference in modifying the current plainset in compare to adding the completely new should stick their heads in sand. You simply missed the thread. Argh me too, cause i was asking for pfeil, grief and blitz. Could we get all versions of Dora and Ta152 while we wait? For others mentioned i would pay for addon.

Future-
05-06-2004, 07:38 PM
@ luftw4ffles: You're right as long as the project is still in the hands of the 3rd party modeller himself.
But at some point, the plane has to be transferred to 1C for quality evaluation and inclusion. And at that point, a "horde" (sorry for this term) of fighters sure takes away work capacity which could be used on bombers.

@ pingu: Well, in the case of planes like the B-17 or the Pe-2, we also have the at least external model, DM, a more or less complete FM. "Just" the interior is missing - though I can see that modifying an existing 'pit is definitely and by far less work than creating a totally new one.

@ yakovlev_guy: People like you are the main reason why my attitude sometimes blasts through the roof.
You're right, the original IL-2 was an eastern front sim.
But FB never claimed to be limited to the eastern scenario, and while still mostly being composed of the old IL-2 game, there were more and more features added that expanded the sim far beyond it's original eastern theater.
And in case you haven't noticed, there's a big Mustang, a Me-163 and a B-17 on the front cover of AEP.
This also leads to the conclusion that some more attention was brought to the western front (not only, but also) by the developers. This conclusion gets reinforced by the plane content of AEP.

Now please, this is your 2nd posting in here that you only use to insult me, without contributing anything to the discussion.


The reasons why I am so enhusiastic about the B-17 are both logical and emotional: the logical part is, the B-17 has already an external model in the game. I know,that applies to many of the planes on our common "wish-list" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Also, it's one of the few planes in the game with the potential to lay mass-destruction to a target, a quality that sure is welcome for some of the mission-makers out there.
The emotional part is, there are not many mediums or heavies that have even a similar flair and legendary touch like the Fortress has. Apart from that, it's a very capable plane, and along with the Pe-8, one of the most breath-taking sights, especially when you're standing on the runway and being targetted by it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Call me an ignorant, uninformed fool, but looking roughly at the info provided about the 190-D11, I don't think having that plane would make such a big difference, compared to the work needed to get it in. High alt operations? I think the Ta-152 can handle this. Sheer firepower? Here comes the 190-A9, and soon the 190 A-6.
That's what I think.


@ Bogus: Hey, who says I'm upset? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
Seriously, I'm not going into a blind rage because the 17 or the Lancaster aren't included.
The reason we keep the bomber drums rolling is just because, if you call out long enough, and if enough people call, the higher ups (read: the great developers who brought us already somuch joy) will one day see that it would be more than... nice to have at least one good flyable heavy bomber.
TB-3 is cool for early war scenarios, I like that flying bathtub.
But for the tough mid-late war stuff, better birds are requirred.


@ Faustnik: Thanks, recommendation taken, posting edited. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif S!


@ DarthBane_ : I agree on the will to pay for another add-on; I'd gladly open my wallet for a pay-add-on that includes more mediums and heavies.


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robban75
05-06-2004, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
Call me an ignorant, uninformed fool, but looking roughly at the info provided about the 190-D11, I don't think having that plane would make such a big difference, compared to the work needed to get it in. High alt operations? I think the Ta-152 can handle this. Sheer firepower? Here comes the 190-A9, and soon the 190 A-6.
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The speed offered by the D-13 at altitudes above 5000m cannot be matched by the D-9. And the Ta 152 cannot match the D-13 at all altitudes from ground and up to at least 8000m. It is simply too slow at the most important altitudes. This is one of the reasons I think the D-13 could be a good addition to this game. It takes the Dora family even higher and faster with a better armament. And even though the A-6 will be nice, it cannot fill the role of the Jumo powered D-13.

Just my thoughts. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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NN_EnigmuS
05-07-2004, 04:58 AM
and Fw190D13 is a D12 with a mg151/20 in the noise replacing the mk108 so not a lot of work when one of them is made for having the other

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p1ngu666
05-07-2004, 10:10 AM
robban, got any specs to compare to D9 ?
think thats already fastest prop ingame
speed, climb etc http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Snuffy_Hadden
05-07-2004, 11:22 AM
we need it like we need another hole in our heads.

DarthBane_
05-07-2004, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
and Fw190D13 is a D12 with a mg151/20 in the noise replacing the mk108 so not a lot of work when one of them is made for having the other

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Ahh, that Dora 13! yesss! my preciousssss! I need it. Personaly i hate mk108, 3x mg151/20 would be perfect! Optimal firepower without that discusting flashes and stupid in bulge guns that obstruct view while shooting.

robban75
05-07-2004, 01:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
robban, got any specs to compare to D9 ?
think thats already fastest prop ingame
speed, climb etc http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The D-9 and D-13 were equally fast at groundlevel ~612km/h (this is with B4 fuel and MW50). At altitudes ranging from 3000m to 5500m the D-13 is perhaps 15km/h faster than the D-9. At 9150m the D-13 could reach 730km/h(654km/h for the D-9 at the same altitude) and at 12500m the D-13 had a topspeed of 760km/h(with rads closed). The Jumo 213F had a two stage turbocharger with 3 gears per stage giving it much superior high alt performance compared to the standard Jumo 213A for the D-9. The propeller blades were broader having roughly the same shape as that of the Ta 152H. Climb to 10,000m took 10.9 minutes, almost 2 minutes faster than the D-9.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The D-9 '45 and La-7 are equally fast at sealevel in FB. The D-9 '44 should be much faster but it isn't for some reason. At 5500m only the Bf 109K-4 can match the D-9 in terms of speed, in the climb however the D-9 is seriously outclassed by the K-4 at any altitude. Even the La-7 can outclimb the D-9 from the ground all the way up to 8000m in its current state.

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ASM 1
05-07-2004, 03:54 PM
760kmh ooo thats 450+ MPH http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

I'm all for it (the D13) but wouldnt the TA 152 C fill this role as well ??

Tell ya what - lets have both http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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p1ngu666
05-07-2004, 07:29 PM
ah http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
thanks
some RAF/field mod p51/jugs would be a handy counter. tho in my experience d9 sneaks away from everything in a fight, but la7 is better for racing, think its in the acceloration
also racing is right on the deck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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NN_EnigmuS
05-08-2004, 02:45 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ASM 1:
760kmh ooo thats 450+ MPH http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

I'm all for it (the D13) but wouldnt the TA 152 C fill this role as well ??


yeah but i don't think you'll see Ta152C in historical DF server or campaign because it's just a "what if"plane like Horten,Bf109Z.....

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Bremspropeller
05-08-2004, 11:12 AM
Two teenagers meet at the disco:

"Hey whazza with you ? I'm on D-13* man !!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


*speed

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NN_EnigmuS
05-09-2004, 04:11 AM
http://www.butcherbirds.de/hypesstorage/FW_DATA.jpg

here some fw190D12 stuff thanks for the guy who put it on ta152 post lol

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JG26Red
05-09-2004, 07:26 PM
which D model has the 2 30mm and 2 20mm in wings? i want that one!

robban75
05-09-2004, 11:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
which D model has the 2 30mm and 2 20mm in wings? i want that one!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be the Fw 190D-11. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Hunde_3.JG51
05-09-2004, 11:44 PM
FW-190D-11 = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

A Dora with twin Mk-108's would be sick.

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Bremspropeller
05-10-2004, 08:00 AM
I don't like this darned jackhammer...I prefer the D-13 or Ta152C tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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NN_EnigmuS
05-10-2004, 10:32 AM
and i prefer D11/12/13 and Ta152C too lol

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jagdmailer
05-10-2004, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
I don't like this darned jackhammer...I prefer the D-13 or Ta152C tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif


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I will second that.

Ta152C may likely be completed for FB in 2 variants. There are some reports about the delivery of 1 or 2 aicrafts in the last 2 weeks to Jg300/Jg301/Jg302. In any event, several Ta152C were completed & ready for use when the factory was overun by the allied armies, so it would not be one of those "what-if 1946 aircraft"

Fw 190D-13 would be the best choice IMO if it was possible to integrate only one of the late Doras in FB.

And yes, those Mk108 as modelled in FB/AEP with the cartoonishly exagerrated muzzle-flashes are basically useless in a dogfight.

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Hunde_3.JG51
05-10-2004, 12:58 PM
I wonder if 190A-6 will have twin Mk-108's as "R2" loadout option. It was there historically though limited, and it is listed in the object viewer (A-6 is in A-5's variants description).

As for the 30mm being uselss for dogfighting, I disagree but then again I never dogfight in the 190A. It sure is great for bounces. I fly the 190A-9 probably as much or more than anyone and I don't find it to be any harder to hit with them than the 151/20's (though they probably should be). Again, I only fire at close range so...I think the type of server also effects the Mk-108, on full switch servers it is more effective because there are more jumps and high speed passes rather than someone being able to see you coming from outside the plane, with numbers floating over your head, etc. I do use the 30mm on the 109 occasionaly and I think it is pretty effective, though it is a different type of fighting/tactics and I find myself wishing I had the 20mm (or two http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) at times due to a higher amount of maneuvering combat. With the 190A it is pretty much consistently high speed slashing attacks and I love the one pass killing power of the 30mm. Just my thoughts.

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ASM 1
05-10-2004, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
FW-190D-11 = http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

A Dora with twin Mk-108's would be sick.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif yeah but its a nice thought isnt it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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p1ngu666
05-11-2004, 07:35 AM
same power as the ki84C http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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NN_EnigmuS
05-12-2004, 05:42 AM
bump for the 100 post hehe

and why not having a Fw190F9 too ?
(and i hope seeing panzerblitz 2 on Fw190F8 of the coming patch lol)

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