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RoosterIlluzion
05-17-2017, 01:38 PM
So, defense sucks *** now, with all of its 20% or so max stat increase (might be more like 13%). Warden with Max defense on all armor pieces is getting killed in 4 hits. The other stats seem OK. Even attack, at like 15% increase feels powerful against most heroes, but defense is fuccked.

AndersenThree
05-17-2017, 01:45 PM
Yea they are going away from the defensive meta so, that makes sense.

DrExtrem
05-17-2017, 02:09 PM
Because we have two offensive stats now and only one defensive one to even it out.

Defense is lowered by the new defense penetration stat. However - if you have both defense penetration and attack maxed out, your defense is made useless by the def penetration. The attack bonus still stands.

In fact, if you don't stack defense at all, your base defense will still be lowered by defense penetration and you will take even more damage.

Draghmar
05-17-2017, 02:13 PM
Lowering defense stat has nothing to do with removing turtle meta. The truth it should even makes it stronger because you won't going to attack when you know you're going to get hurt - turtle up and wait for the opportunity to counter attack. In order to prevent turtling they should make it so the people won't be afraid of actively attacking.

DrExtrem
05-17-2017, 02:18 PM
Lowering defense stat has nothing to do with removing turtle meta. The truth it should even makes it stronger because you won't going to attack when you know you're going to get hurt - turtle up and wait for the opportunity to counter attack. In order to prevent turtling they should make it so the people won't be afraid of actively attacking.

Correct.

Turtling was never about mitigating damage (it was still helpful though), it was about avoiding it and countering and attack with brute force.

Charmzzz
05-17-2017, 02:28 PM
I will try to get a max def pen, 2nd block damage weapon later. Curious about how the Chip Damage from blocked attacks will work out on those turtles. I think it will be nice to just spam light's and heavy's on their blocks, seeing their HP go down every time. ^^

Captain-Courage
05-17-2017, 02:35 PM
Yea they are going away from the defensive meta so, that makes sense.

Not all all. It has nothing to do with the turtle meta
That's even the exact contrary.


Lowering defense stat has nothing to do with removing turtle meta. The truth it should even makes it stronger because you won't going to attack when you know you're going to get hurt - turtle up and wait for the opportunity to counter attack. In order to prevent turtling they should make it so the people won't be afraid of actively attacking.

http://www.indianfunpic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/He-is-right-you-know.jpg

AdeptusLupos
05-17-2017, 03:28 PM
Because we have two offensive stats now and only one defensive one to even it out.

Defense is lowered by the new defense penetration stat. However - if you have both defense penetration and attack maxed out, your defense is made useless by the def penetration. The attack bonus still stands.

In fact, if you don't stack defense at all, your base defense will still be lowered by defense penetration and you will take even more damage.

Inaccurate, developers stated in live stream defense penetration does nothing against characters that do not invest in defense. Aka it does not lower defense below baseline.

DrExtrem
05-17-2017, 04:21 PM
Inaccurate, developers stated in live stream defense penetration does nothing against characters that do not invest in defense. Aka it does not lower defense below baseline.

Great.

In this case, both stats are a waste of money, brain and time. :slowclap:

Its even worse than having mandatory stats.

Supercool5150
05-17-2017, 05:57 PM
Who needs defense anyway? It's an over rated stat...Load up on attack I always say.:cool:

Felis_Menari
05-17-2017, 06:04 PM
Who needs defense anyway? It's an over rated stat...Load up on attack I always say.:cool:

Why not both? 😁

RoosterIlluzion
05-17-2017, 11:05 PM
Not all all. It has nothing to do with the turtle meta
That's even the exact contrary.



http://www.indianfunpic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/He-is-right-you-know.jpg


Great.

In this case, both stats are a waste of money, brain and time. :slowclap:

Its even worse than having mandatory stats.


Yea they are going away from the defensive meta so, that makes sense.

I didn't realize there was a defense meta. Ive heard of turtle meta, if that's what you mean.
But that's not the same thing. Defense is damage mitigation. The higher your defense stat, the lower the damage per hit should be. The defense stat has nothing to do with the turtle meta, where players sit back waiting for opponents to attack, so you can get a parry.

And if it's true that defense penetration has no effect on players that DONT use defense stat, it's a waste of a stat then. Sad update Ubisoft.

pancakerz
05-17-2017, 11:11 PM
Who needs defense anyway? It's an over rated stat...Load up on attack I always say.:cool:

You don't need defense if you never get hit. :cool:

RoosterIlluzion
05-18-2017, 12:05 AM
You don't need defense if you never get hit. :cool:

That's the only good thing about the new stat setup... attack and defense can both be maxed out because they're on the proper gear now.