PDA

View Full Version : n00b question: FW190F-8 is it worth it?



ThanasisK
06-28-2004, 04:15 AM
Hello,
Lately I started using the FW190F-8 as a ground pounder and it kicks a**. Is the aircraft worth it as a fighter or I should stick with A/D variants?

ThanasisK
06-28-2004, 04:15 AM
Hello,
Lately I started using the FW190F-8 as a ground pounder and it kicks a**. Is the aircraft worth it as a fighter or I should stick with A/D variants?

Fehler
06-28-2004, 04:32 AM
It is slower and less maneuverable than the A-9. But it can hold its own if pressed into a fight. Never turn this thing, it drops energy like a bill board sign!

http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/FehlerSig.gif
http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/9JG54.html

DeBaer.534
06-28-2004, 08:12 AM
if im in the mood (im normally a A-6/A-8 driver) ill take it from time to time. i dont know why, but i feel safer in it (guess its the better armour i pretend it has) and for combat i use the same tactics as in the A-8. Works fine with me.
but then, i have a lot of practice in saving my a**, as im great in turning all the advantages i had before entering combat to my disadvantage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hunde_3.JG51
06-28-2004, 08:48 AM
IMO the F-8 is not worth it. The A-8 and A-9 are modelled with ETC bomb-rack already so you can take a 500kg bomb, drop it, and have exact same performance as you did if you never loaded bomb. You can do this and retain all 4 151/20 20mm cannons as well. Take an A-9, load it with a 500kg bomb, and you have a plane that can do ground attack, bomber interception, and is still a very capable fighter if used correctly. Nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

As a note the FW-190F-8 did not have any additional armor in RL. The early F models did have additional armor but it was found that the standard FW-190A had sufficient armor already so it was not needed.

http://www.militaryartshop.com/prints/bailey/warwolf.jpg

Formerly Kyrule2
http://www.jg51.com/

p1ngu666
06-28-2004, 01:13 PM
f8 can have wing bombs tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
i used todo hit and run in it online http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
it used to run away well, but not so any morehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
(i could be wrong about this tho :P )

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
<123_GWood_JG123> NO SPAM!

faustnik
06-28-2004, 01:31 PM
I love the F8 for bad weather Jabo runs. It performs very well below 1000m as that is that altitude its boost is tuned for. Having the guns on a seperate button from the cannon is a huge advantage. With no muzzle flash blocking your view the Mg151s are very accurate.

I say bad weather because that limits the enemy CAP. F8s can survive against P-51s, P-47s and P-38s below 1000 meters. Clouds let you duck out of a bad position.

As with all 190s a good wingman makes all the difference.

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/FaustSig
www.7Jg77.com (http://www.7jg77.com) is recruiting
CWoS FB forum. More Cheese, Less Whine. (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=31)

Maj_Death
06-28-2004, 01:36 PM
The 190F8 is superior in jabo compaired to the A series but in air to air combat it is vastly inferior. The F8 can defend itself if necassary but then again so can an He-111. As a pure fighter I would not take an F8. I use it alot as a bomber and as in any other bomber I go out of my way to avoid enemy fighters in it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maj_Death here, I/JG1_Death at HL

I build COOPs and DF maps. If you would like some of them you can get them atmy COOP page (http://www14.brinkster.com/triggerhappy770/default.htm)

I/JG1 Oesau is recruiting axis pilots who prefer to fly maximum realism. We accept both veterans and rookies. We fly in VEF2, VWF and may join other online wars in the future. Go to our forums at http://www.jg1-oesau.org/ for more details and to apply.
http://www.bestanimations.com/Humans/Skulls/Skull-06.gif

p1ngu666
06-28-2004, 01:38 PM
climb to 2-3k on the way there, do a power or partly power dive bomb, then fly low flat out all the way home
or help ppl that are in trouble http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
F8 seems tougher too me aswell btw

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
<123_GWood_JG123> NO SPAM!

Hunde_3.JG51
06-28-2004, 01:39 PM
True, the F-8 can have wing bombs but again, IMO its not worth it. The A-9 is so much faster down low and it can out-run, or almost out-run planes like the P-51, P-38J, P63C, Yak-3, etc. The A-9 lets you escape much easier and with a 1,000lb bomb and four 20mm cannon it can do lots of damage. The F-8 I believe is slower than the planes listed above (with possible exception of Ya-3 which is probably similar) and is nearly matched by some others. The F-8 and Mustang used to be similar at sea-level, but now Mustang runs it down.

http://www.militaryartshop.com/prints/bailey/warwolf.jpg

Formerly Kyrule2
http://www.jg51.com/

Fennec_P
06-28-2004, 02:12 PM
If the F8 could use rockets, there would be a point to it.

p1ngu666
06-28-2004, 02:15 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
hardballs thingy says F8 slower by 5kmh than A6 on the deck, A6 has similer loadouts too
might do a quick test later
see how they handle
A5 has same loadouts as A6 too
same fm too i guess

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
<123_GWood_JG123> NO SPAM!

VW-IceFire
06-28-2004, 02:15 PM
Aye...the F-8 needs rockets. That'd be great.

Meantime, I do fly the F-8 from time to time. Its just as fast as the A-8/9 are at very low altitude and what I prefer to do is the high speed 500 kph hit and run attacks at 200 meters. Set your bombs for 3 second delay, pickel them as you blow past them, and then get the heck out of there.

I prefer not to fly it as a fighter. In a pinch maybe, but usually I fly it in a straight line and hit the target.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

CHDT
06-28-2004, 03:51 PM
Why not a F-9, in fact a F-8 with a A-9 engine?

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
06-28-2004, 03:54 PM
done some tests, results here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/11470/

F8 has ingame speed the same as A8 listed in hardballs viewer (580), A9 listed at 588

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
<123_GWood_JG123> NO SPAM!

Hunde_3.JG51
06-28-2004, 07:46 PM
Hmmm, A-9 is much faster in my tests, I get about 604km/h for A-9 at SL under Oleg's conditions and about 575-580 for F-8. This is without bombs though. Did you use manual prop-pitch, closed radiator, and boost? Both of these planes have bomb rack modelled so speed difference should be same with similar bomb-loadout. The A-6 does not have rack modelled normally so it is slower after releasing bomb because of addition of ETC-501 rack, unlike A-9 and F-8. The difference doesn't seem like all that much but it is when you realize what planes it lets you escape from (as mentioned above).

http://www.militaryartshop.com/prints/bailey/warwolf.jpg

Formerly Kyrule2
http://www.jg51.com/

mortoma
06-28-2004, 08:52 PM
Sure it's not as good of a fighter as As are but I
was able to use it as a fighter some against AI and it's great against AI in offline mode, like in a campaign. I have been able to shoot down as many
as four Yaks with it. Worse than the A models in dogfights, yes. But bad as a fighter?? Nope, don't sell it short against AI!! Just don't try and use it as a fighter online.

Fillmore
06-28-2004, 09:12 PM
190F can fire cannons seperately from cowl MGs (it has no outer cannon though).

190F has larger fuel capacity, so it can take 25% where a 190A would need 50%.

If you are using 25% fuel with 190A then skip the 190F, but if you have a choice between 190F8 with 25% fuel and 190A8/6/5 with 50% fuel and you really hate the blinding cowl MGs then the former is a viable alternative as a fighter imho.

p1ngu666
06-29-2004, 02:10 AM
i did auto and manual prop pitch, these results probably arent 100% but there 99% i think
and rad closed and full boost (engauged at idle)
i started at 1000metres and a power dive will easily take u over max speed from there.
i used it to speed up my tests, getting to 450kmh then nailing it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/mysig3.jpg
<123_GWood_JG123> NO SPAM!