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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 03:59 PM
- Game Lock ups
- Game Freezes
- Crashes To Desktop Reboot game plays then crashes permanently casusing the player to have to relaunch the game

I see these as major bugs in this game software, that make it virturally unplayable for the majority of people that bought this game. I have read many threads here and on Sim HQ about all the many, many problems people are having with this game. It's too bad because the game is the basis for what is a very good flight sim. It is very clear(as it invariably always is) that its the software causing these many and varied problems not peoples hardware. Its sad to hear people advise other people in these forums to upgrade their video card or change their power supply or worse yet purchase a whole new system that already has the hardware requirements to play this game according the recommendations of IC Maddox games themelves.

IC advises that players must use the latest video drivers for their video cards. What this tells me is that the game is inherently incompatible with different video drivers. To make it so would require a lot of software development work which I prefer to believe IC lacked the necessary resources, dollars or both to do which would be no fault of their own. I believe this failing is at the heart of the vast majority of problems people are having with this game. Historical accuracy, graphics, accurate flight modeling are not much good if one cannot take advantage of them.

I trust the patch will make it playable for the majority of people out there, including myself that spent our hard earned money to purchase what we thought was, can be and hopefully will be a winner once again.

As a personal request, IC don't be forced to release a patch that is going to cause more problems, take your time and get it right this time. I don't believe I am being undkind or unreasonable in my request.

I know I will get flamed as people's emotions can sometimes get the better of them but at least I am willing to stand up and say the emperor wears no clothes.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 03:59 PM
- Game Lock ups
- Game Freezes
- Crashes To Desktop Reboot game plays then crashes permanently casusing the player to have to relaunch the game

I see these as major bugs in this game software, that make it virturally unplayable for the majority of people that bought this game. I have read many threads here and on Sim HQ about all the many, many problems people are having with this game. It's too bad because the game is the basis for what is a very good flight sim. It is very clear(as it invariably always is) that its the software causing these many and varied problems not peoples hardware. Its sad to hear people advise other people in these forums to upgrade their video card or change their power supply or worse yet purchase a whole new system that already has the hardware requirements to play this game according the recommendations of IC Maddox games themelves.

IC advises that players must use the latest video drivers for their video cards. What this tells me is that the game is inherently incompatible with different video drivers. To make it so would require a lot of software development work which I prefer to believe IC lacked the necessary resources, dollars or both to do which would be no fault of their own. I believe this failing is at the heart of the vast majority of problems people are having with this game. Historical accuracy, graphics, accurate flight modeling are not much good if one cannot take advantage of them.

I trust the patch will make it playable for the majority of people out there, including myself that spent our hard earned money to purchase what we thought was, can be and hopefully will be a winner once again.

As a personal request, IC don't be forced to release a patch that is going to cause more problems, take your time and get it right this time. I don't believe I am being undkind or unreasonable in my request.

I know I will get flamed as people's emotions can sometimes get the better of them but at least I am willing to stand up and say the emperor wears no clothes.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 04:08 PM
The patch will almost certainly address these issues according to some official UBI posts.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 04:27 PM
Ummmm. I havn't experienced any of the problems with FB that you mention.

I think you have receieved good advice. FB is a demanding program. Many 3D cards require upgrades to power suppiles read the box sides sometime. They will still work but when they are under heavy load things will get unstable.

I don't mean to insist that this is your problem as I don't know you system but I DID have all of these problems with another game (VIETCONG) until I updated the power supply to a 400W power supply. Then all of these issues went away. I have been rock solid ever since and have had NO issues of any kind with the stability of FB. (AI and damage/wepaon effectiveness issues are another matter)

Its always a good idea to have the latest drivers often a new realease fixes bugs in the driver.

I don't think you are speaking for the vast majority. Your post certainly doesn't speak for my experiences.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 04:32 PM
I have yet to have any crashes of any sort related to IL2.

Might be your setup?

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 04:36 PM
I didn't have a single problem getting FB to run smoothly on my system either. It is a state of the art program which does require a near state of the art system to run at its maximum potential. If you're having a technical problem, have you tried visiting the forum specialy designed for those trying to get FB to run? As EBeaver said, you MUST have the latest drivers for your video card and your sound card. Anyway, you can try posting here or you can wait for the patch to see the way things turn out. There are many friendly and helpful people here who would be willing to help you.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 04:36 PM
No crashes, lockups or anything for me either.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 04:40 PM
I haven't had any of the problems that you've mentioned with the game. The game has not, in my memory, crashed before. Any bugs I have encountered have been fairly minor, and have been problems with the gameplay itself. I used to encounter stutter, and was forced to use the game on medium settings. However, after I upgraded the memory to 768Mb I haven't really encountered stutter.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 05:15 PM
Yes,I would be fully pleased if only online play would be also smooth(provided that pings are reasonable).

As in the initial post IMO the patch will be worth sh!t of those problems aren`t adressed.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 05:16 PM
dragonhart38 wrote:
-- Game Lock ups
-- Game Freezes
-- Crashes To Desktop Reboot game plays then crashes

I've never experienced any of these, either.

Sounds like you may have some problems with your computer, in the way of drivers and so on. I would try to do some diagnostic work there.

Any time my computer acts up, I fire up Norton Utilities, which usually finds some cats and dogs chasing each other in the Windows Registry. Norton Utilities is great for resolving many issues that causes instability of a computer.

Again, though, I suspect you have some sort of hardware conflict, or driver problems.

Good luck getting you computer tuned up.

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Hunter82
08-02-2003, 05:45 PM
some things are better left unsaid

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 06:48 PM
"I see these as major bugs in this game software, that make it virturally unplayable for the majority of people that bought this game"


Uh what? CFS3 is not made by Maddox games. IL2 and IL2FB are.They are actually quite stable and very playable by most people.



"IC advises that players must use the latest video drivers for their video cards. What this tells me is that the game is inherently incompatible with different video drivers"

Meaning what: Old drivers don't work? And that's bad? Since when?
During the development of a game the engine is designed to work with the current and/or upcoming version of directx and driver software for the supported (read: currently popular) hardware. It makes no sense to support older drivers since updates are readily available. And from a bussiness point of view it makes no sense to support obscure old hardware that only runs with old unsupported driver software. It's called the law of diminsihing returns. Developers funding is not unlimited...

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 07:50 PM
There's another explanation for freezes and crashes.

Your video card may be overheating, or your system may be overheating.

IL2 and IL2:FB are very CPU and graphics intensive. If you have these problems on a hot day, and you don't have air conditioning (which I don't at my house), then the fault may be with your computer system, and inadequate cooling.

I had to add a more powerful case fan.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:37 PM
Games works fine for me. I think your mistaken, game works fine for a majority of the people, and should only get better with the patch.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:55 PM
- Game Lock ups
- Game Freezes
- Crashes To Desktop Reboot game plays then crashes permanently casusing the player to have to relaunch the game

I never experienced any of the things you discribe above,and as i read so hasn't the majority,so maybe you should search elsewhere for the reason..........(just swapped my Nvidia GForce2mx for an ATI 9000pro and both where fine,besides slow fps one the first one..........)



Message Edited on 08/02/0308:59PM by vroelofs

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:58 PM
It's all a matter of the setup!

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 09:11 PM
Well,

For myself, I hope it fixes the UFO like AI control for the I-16. Unlike history where the I-16 got slaughtered in droves, in FB, they seem so much superior to the Bf 109E-4, & their 4 X 7.62mm pea shooters have Patriot missile accuracy on the 109 engine & elevator cables.........

From the accounts I have read in books, the I-16 was a difficult plane to master because of it relative instability caused by the shortness of the fuselage. That is not counting the negative g's engine stalls, the relatively inefficient 2 blade propeller, & the weak small caliber machine guns, 2 which had to be coordinated to fire through the propeller arc.....

FB is a great simulation, but in my opinion, it was released way before it should have been.

Do217

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 09:56 PM
As far as I can see the game is actually bug free, just needs some tweaking done to existing modeling of flight and damage characterisics (yes I do include the mysterious exploding P-40, after all the problem more or less must lay in the flight profile of the aircraft).

Crashes, freezes and that sorta thing is usually the work of the system rather than the game.

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ZG77_Nagual
08-02-2003, 10:01 PM
I'll join the ranks of the uncrashed and non-locked up. What's more I"ve not experienced these problems on four different systems - well, five - er.. make that six.
Two xp systems and four intel systems. I'd look at my system before raising the bug flag. Might better trouble shoot this over on the tech forum.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 10:05 PM
Post your system spec's and lets see what may be the problem.
I know you feel it is the game, but as you can see from the many posts here it is your machine.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:35 AM
I havent seen 1 comp that doesnt get the pauses from p4 3.06s to amd 2800+ with 128 meg vid cards tbirds alienware dell vpr matrix micron etc. Even single player and on lan with a duel t1 connection with no one on but 22 people. It is the game and supposably is being addressed.

As far as the game exiting on its own i never seen that happen on higher end systems just on computers with 256k of ram and 64 meg video cards also old directx drivers and old video drivers can cause that problem


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08-03-2003, 05:07 AM
haven't seen as many as me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Booo

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LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- I havent seen 1 comp that doesnt get the pauses from
- p4 3.06s to amd 2800+ with 128 meg vid cards tbirds
- alienware dell vpr matrix micron etc. Even single
- player and on lan with a duel t1 connection with no
- one on but 22 people. It is the game and supposably
- is being addressed.
-
- As far as the game exiting on its own i never seen
- that happen on higher end systems just on computers
- with 256k of ram and 64 meg video cards also old
- directx drivers and old video drivers can cause that
- problem


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Message Edited on 08/03/0312:07AM by Hunter82

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:22 AM
No problem here?

rgds

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:31 AM
Your probally right hunter, but i did work at iona college as a tech for about a year and a half, what a major headache, Computer techs has to be the most stressfull and annoying jobs, no computers are exactly the same. But the good side is you can always grinch parts that you say are broken http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Tully__
08-03-2003, 10:01 AM
No probs on my system. Have you asked in the technical support forum for tweaks to help you out? In many cases these problems are not due to problems with the game, but rather minor sytem tuning issues.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 11:01 AM
do217s wrote:
- Well,
-
- For myself, I hope it fixes the UFO like AI control
- for the I-16. Unlike history where the I-16 got
- slaughtered in droves, in FB, they seem so much
- superior to the Bf 109E-4, & their 4 X 7.62mm pea
- shooters have Patriot missile accuracy on the 109
- engine & elevator cables.........
-
- From the accounts I have read in books, the I-16 was
- a difficult plane to master because of it relative
- instability caused by the shortness of the fuselage.
- That is not counting the negative g's engine stalls,
- the relatively inefficient 2 blade propeller, & the
- weak small caliber machine guns, 2 which had to be
- coordinated to fire through the propeller arc.....
-
- FB is a great simulation, but in my opinion, it was
- released way before it should have been.
-
- Do217

The Bf109 E can still outclimb the I-16 in FB since both planes are slightly overmodelled in the climb department.

As for the weak small caliber machine guns, the Emil is not well armored and these 4 very high rate of fire 7.62mm machine guns will rip you up easy.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:04 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- - -
- As for the weak small caliber machine guns, the Emil
- is not well armored and these 4 very high rate of
- fire 7.62mm machine guns will rip you up easy.
-
-


Moronic deductions as the E-4 was fitted with 8mm armour, which is the same thickness armour that the Finns had problems combating with 50cal/12,7mm guns. The same thickness that the Germans mounted in the FW190 A-8 seat as sufficent protection versus USAAF 50cal guns...

The 8mm of armour of the E-4 (Backfitted to early types) was also effective during the BOB versus the 8banks of 303 that the Hurri and the spit carried.

Message Edited on 08/04/0312:27AM by Bastables

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:07 PM
- Game Lock ups
- Game Freezes
- Crashes To Desktop Reboot game plays then crashes permanently casusing the player to have to relaunch the game

I had all these problems when I got FB. Another fan in the case solved it for me.




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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:22 PM
None of these problems ever happened to me either, and my system is SLOW.

'Inappropriate words'

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:58 PM
Bastables wrote:
- Cappadocian_317 wrote:
--
-- - -
-- As for the weak small caliber machine guns, the Emil
-- is not well armored and these 4 very high rate of
-- fire 7.62mm machine guns will rip you up easy.
--
--
-
-
- Moronic deductions as the E-4 was fitted with 8mm
- armour, which is the same thickness armour that the
- Finns had problems combating with 50cal/12,7mm guns.
- The same thickness that the Germans mounted in the
- FW190 A-8 seat as sufficent protection versus USAAF
- 50cal guns...
-
- The 8mm of armour of the E-4 (Backfitted to early
- types) was also effective during the BOB versus the
- 8banks of 303 that the Hurri and the spit carried.

Behind the SEAT Armor, what about the rest of the plane eh?

Wings, Engine, Aft section, all 8mm armor right?

As for that 8mm armor stopping a .50 caliber armor piercing round at all ranges I strongly advise you to read up on these types or weapons.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:00 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
--
- Behind the SEAT Armor, what about the rest of the
- plane eh?
-
- Wings, Engine, Aft section, all 8mm armor right?
-
- As for that 8mm armor stopping a .50 caliber armor
- piercing round at all ranges I strongly advise you
- to read up on these types or weapons.
-
-

I suggest you read up on the difficulties that the Finns had in bringing down 8mm "seat" armoured I-16 with 12,7mm and the toughness of the FW190 which also had 8mm seat armour and the problems the 303s had versus late E types in BOB.

Really, try to think it through. Also take a look at the thickness of the Wildcat's seat armour, which was proof versus the 2cm cannons mounted on Zeros.


Message Edited on 08/04/0302:31AM by Bastables

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:36 PM
I fired with .50 armor piercing munitions and they will rip right through 8mm armor plate at close range.

But besides that not the ENTIRE outside hull plate on the Emil was 8mm thick covered with armor plates, only the plate behind the seat so that leaves nearly the entire aircraft vulnerable to small arms fire.

If the Emil was unable to be damaged with .303 machine guns then how the hell did the Brits shot them doen in the first place, as well as the Heinkel 111 and Ju88 and whatever else that was shot down by a Hurricane?

So what your trying to explain is that with 8mm SEAT armor you cannot damage the rest of the aircraft with small caliber weapons or what?

This better be a joke or else I am going to laugh my guts out.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 03:33 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
- I fired with .50 armor piercing munitions and they
- will rip right through 8mm armor plate at close
- range.
-
- But besides that not the ENTIRE outside hull plate
- on the Emil was 8mm thick covered with armor plates,
- only the plate behind the seat so that leaves nearly
- the entire aircraft vulnerable to small arms fire.
-
- If the Emil was unable to be damaged with .303
- machine guns then how the hell did the Brits shot
- them doen in the first place, as well as the Heinkel
- 111 and Ju88 and whatever else that was shot down by
- a Hurricane?
-
- So what your trying to explain is that with 8mm SEAT
- armor you cannot damage the rest of the aircraft
- with small caliber weapons or what?
-
-

8mm of FH armour penetrated with WWII era ammunition (not SLAP rounds versus mild steel plates nor the MH armour of APC hulks) after being destabilised and deformed by aircraft skin and a thick self-sealing fuel tank? Some how I think not.

I care very little what you choose to wilfully believe and disbelieve in an attempt to show that nothing is wrong with aspects of FB. What I am interested in is pointing out for others your glib and erroneous statement that the 109 E-4/7 is not as you say; "the Emil is not well armoured." It is just as well armoured from behind as the Fw190 the 109 F/G and the I-16 in protecting versus even 12,7mm calibre weapons. The 8 banks of 303 were required to give several 2 to 3 sec bursts at sub 150yd range to bring down 109s during BOB never mind the bombers.

The Identical armour thickness and configuration of the I-16 meant that best success with the Finn 50cals was achieved at angles aiming for the engine, the 8mm class weapons were considered sub par by the Soviets, French and Germans after experience in the Spanish civil war. The I-16 it self was armoured at 8mm to defeat the then highly destructive 7,7mm Japanese rounds by placing an essentially 8mm seat armour plate. Again the USN Wildcats 8mm seat armour + deforming ability of aircraft skin was highly effective versus even the 2cm IJN cannons never mind the 7,7mm. As an aside the USN started fitting armour due to the conclusions drawn from examinations of seat armoured 109s and more extensively armoured 110 captured during the BOB and sent on to the US.

So British and German arial ballistic Studies agree as does a range of experience from air forces around the world.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:09 PM
Again, NOT the ENTIRE plane was armored and THAT is what I mean by NOT well armored.

ONLY the BACK of the SEAT was armored.

Is your skull this thick by birth or did you have to drink a lot of milk to develope that?

And I never said that this game does not have bugs, where did you get that idea?

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:25 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
- Again, NOT the ENTIRE plane was armored and THAT is
- what I mean by NOT well armored.
-
- ONLY the BACK of the SEAT was armored.
-
- Is your skull this thick by birth or did you have to
- drink a lot of milk to develope that?
-
- And I never said that this game does not have bugs,
- where did you get that idea?
-
-

And again "well protected" planes such as the I-16, Wildcat and Laggs only had "seat/head armour" from the rear, none of these planes had engine nor wing armour and were considered pretty much proof versus 7-8mm class weapons and highly effective versus even 12,7mm rounds and even in certain cases the 2cm cannon rounds. Even the well-armoured Fw190 A-8 only added 5.5mm cowling armour giving only frontal aspect protection for the engine. The standard seat armour configuration continued through the war and in fighters stayed at around 8 to 12mm. The 109 E-4 is "well armoured" for a fighter and well armoured from the rear as later fighter planes. I'm sure you'll be able to grasp this concatenate one day or another and good luck with too.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:44 PM
Yawn, man this is getting rich.

Besides if the .50 caliber weapon was so weak how come the US planes kept using them throughout the entire war?

They even used it to sink ships and destroy light armored vehicles and light tanks.

A light tank is better armored then a fighter plane.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:35 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
- Yawn, man this is getting rich.
-
- Besides if the .50 caliber weapon was so weak how
- come the US planes kept using them throughout the
- entire war?
-
- They even used it to sink ships and destroy light
- armored vehicles and light tanks.
-
- A light tank is better armored then a fighter plane.
-
-

And again the USAAF 6bank of 50cals required 2 to 3 sec bursts to kill the little German fighters taking about a 10% hit rate that's 200 rds on target. The HIII were considered tough prey when returning to France with 200 .303 calibre holes.

The 50cals had problems penetrating the 10 and 11mm top armour of StuGs and PIV and the only light tank in service the Luch, as did the British 2cm cannons... Armoured cars carried around 6mm and 5mm top armour and are another matter entirely as they mount HM armour and not FH armour as early Panzers and Luftwaffe aircraft armour.

The 50cal is not weak, but neither is the armour that it had to penetrate. Again the Fw190 A-8 designed to be survivable verus the USAAF 50cal mounted 8mm armoured seats.


I'm still waiting for your argument that the E-4 was poorly armoured because like many of it's contemporary fighter built to be protected versus MG fire it did not mount armour in the wings nor the engine.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:01 PM
Like I already said, only the seat is armored from the rear, other then that the Emil can be damaged with small arms fire.

What's there to explain further?

All you did so far is rattle along about the armor seat and did not say anything about the rest of the aircraft.

History already showed that the .303 caliber weapon can bring down an Emil, what more is there to proof?

Or maybe the armor plate can move around the entire aircraft and keep the Emil in the air or what?

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 08:04 PM
Bastables wrote:
- And again the USAAF 6bank of 50cals required 2 to 3
- sec bursts to kill the little German fighters taking
- about a 10% hit rate that's 200 rds on target.

2 to 3 seconds fire with 6 .50 caliber machine guns results in 2000 rounds fired according to your calculation.

Let's take 3 seconds for this then.

2000 rounds fired devided by 6 is 333 which means that 111 rounds per second are fired per gun according to your calculation.

I don't think your calculation is accurate by any means.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 11:20 AM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- Bastables wrote:
-- And again the USAAF 6bank of 50cals required 2 to 3
-- sec bursts to kill the little German fighters taking
-- about a 10% hit rate that's 200 rds on target.
-
- 2 to 3 seconds fire with 6 .50 caliber machine guns
- results in 2000 rounds fired according to your
- calculation.
-
- Let's take 3 seconds for this then.
-
- 2000 rounds fired devided by 6 is 333 which means
- that 111 rounds per second are fired per gun
- according to your calculation.
-
- I don't think your calculation is accurate by any
- means.
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No it's not. My mistake for making an off the cuff "calculation" off Kit Carson's statement that a Fw190 took around 200 hits of 50cal ammunition and kept on running/flying from him, a plane with 8cm seat armour and un-armoured wings and from the rear aspect an unarmoured engine.

Again if 8mm of armour causes problems with a 12,7mm round, then the 7-8mm rifle bullets should be completely worthless from the rear aspect, in Il2-FB the ShKAS and only the ShKAS is still very effective versus 8mm plus armoured planes.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 08:31 PM
Sorry, the bugs are not in the game but with your system. I run the game on a AMD 1.9 gig processor and an 64meg nvidia card-and have not updated my video card driver in over a year. It still works fine except for some stutter. (I plan on upgrading my RAM).

I heartly endorse the suggestion that you check your video card and processor for overheating. I was having crashes about a month ago and when I opened my crate up, found my fans, vents and heating fins fully clogged up with lint. A bit of work with the vacumn cleaner fixed all. If that does not work, then try updating your video card driver. If these do not work then Norton Utilities for the bigger problems.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 10:27 PM
What!!!?? There are MAJOR bugs with FB? Runs GRRRRREEEAAT!! on my little old XP1600......./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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