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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:12 PM
Since my attempt to upgrade mobo failed (supplier supplied faulth and then damaged boards!!) I am looking at the next choke point in my rig which is the CPU.

Is there a difference between AMD Palomino and Thoroughbred. Is the 'Palomini' an XP that does not have 'Thoroughbred' after it?

The AMD site is not terribly clear, maybe someone here can help?



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:12 PM
Since my attempt to upgrade mobo failed (supplier supplied faulth and then damaged boards!!) I am looking at the next choke point in my rig which is the CPU.

Is there a difference between AMD Palomino and Thoroughbred. Is the 'Palomini' an XP that does not have 'Thoroughbred' after it?

The AMD site is not terribly clear, maybe someone here can help?



In the Foxhound's Kennel is...

Duron 1.2 Ghz, Win XP, 512MB PC133, , Ti4800SE,SB 5.1, Dx9.0a and a small fowl in a fruit tree of indeterminate origin.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:24 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:26 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 05:10 PM
foxhound31 wrote:
- Since my attempt to upgrade mobo failed (supplier
- supplied faulth and then damaged boards!!) I am
- looking at the next choke point in my rig which is
- the CPU.
-
- Is there a difference between AMD Palomino and
- Thoroughbred. Is the 'Palomini' an XP that does not
- have 'Thoroughbred' after it?
-
- The AMD site is not terribly clear, maybe someone
- here can help?

S! m8,

Been there! Yes the AMD site suck major - if you need info it´s NOT the place to go. There is a difference between the Thoroughbred & the Palomino. It´s something with chip architecture & it´s a bit too academic for me. If your mobo manufacturer states that your mobo won´t support a Thoroughbred - chance is some 25% that it works anyway with an updated BIOS. Not worth the shot IMO. Palominos are rare nowadays - I got one of the last ones available in my country (phew!) Perhaps you can order one directly from AMD? dunno - but sending them a mail shouldn´t hurt.

Good luck!

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 05:13 PM
btw - what mobo is it?

S!

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:25 PM
well if you have a chance to actually look at the cpu the pali has a square core and the tbred has a rectangle core,but there are 2 kinds of tbred A and B the cpu number will tell you that ie auihb is tbred B and auiha is tbred A ( just examples btw )
its the tbred B you want the pali's use more volts and get to hot and dont overclock very well.

as long as your board can take a tbred it will take at least a 2000+ may not take a 2100+ as the multplyer on a tbred is unlocked as far as your mobo is concerned and older boards may not be able to actually do over 12.5 multiplyer, but there are ways around this too...

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:55 PM
thanks for the responses!

The mobo is a DFI AK75-EC. The revision number is scarily low (ie old) but according to the DFI site it'll take a Palomino 1900, if I can get one.

On the otherhand FB does run quite well on what I 've got (all settings excellent) so I might hang on until AGP 8x boards drop a bit and DDR memory falls then upgrade in one hit.

Will see if I can find a 1900 in the UK 'cos I reckon theres no point upgrading for less that 50% increase in face value performance.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:59 PM
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Message Edited on 06/20/0309:41PM by Heuristic_ALgor

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:15 AM
Hi, below is a copy of a post I made to somebody about a week ago to help them with an upgrade problem. I detail the difference between the Pali and T'bred and also how to tell them apart. The one guy above is partly correct about them running hotter but if you put a good CPU cooler on them, they are not that bad and certainly can be overclocked mildy if you unock them. I would only go up one mulitpiler setting though. For example, if you have Pali that's a XP-2100 ( 1733Mhz ) and as is, it's running with a muliplier of 13, you can go up to 14 ( assuming a system clock of 133Mhz ) and make it run at 1866Mhz, no problem if you have a good cooler. But go with a T'bred if your motherboard will allow such an upgrade. There are quite a few older Mobos ( like mine ) that will only allow an upgrade to Palamino, not T'bred. But yes, T'breds are more overclockable but Palis are not as bad as they say. My Xp-2100 is right now only running at 120 degrees F, which means I should be able to go up one multiplier easily. Probably the temp., after I unlock it and clock it will still be under 135 degrees, which is not too hot. I use a Coolmaster HHC-001 on mine.

Here is my old post with a more detailed explaination of the differences and how to tell them apart than the other poster gave you:

Well, sounds like the same boat I was in. They ( Asus ) probably had the same limitation with the A7V133 as the A7M266, namely, the most recent Bios revision allows an upgrade to the XP-2100, but it has to be the Palamino core.
After AMD went from Athlon Thunderbird to the newer XP core technology ( and newer architechure of "Quantispeed" too ), they went to the Palamino core. Unfortunately, they went from the Palamino to the Thorougbred A core very quickly, which was the almost the same architechture but a newer, thinner die process. This made them run a hair cooler. But Asus was not able to upgrade those older boards to run the Thorougbred A or the newer still Thoroughbred B, let alone Barton. Probably never will, probably can't.
Since AMD didn't make many Palaminos before dropping them for the T'breds, you will have trouble finding them. I found one on Ebay for $120.00 and had to get it from England!!!!
There are still some around, you will just have to look.
By the way, you can tell a Palamino from a Thoroughbred by the serial number. The serial of a Palamino will start with a "AX", my serial was AX2100**** something. The serial of a T'bred will start with "AXDA" and it's found on a little black sticker on the processor circuit board material.
The serial on the Palamino will be printed on the processor die itself ( the rectagular metallic looking thing smack in the middle of the processor. ) along with the other stuff printed on it. By the way, my Palamino is running cooler than my older T'bird did.



Message Edited on 06/17/03 05:15PM by mortoma





Message Edited on 06/22/0303:19AM by mortoma

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:03 AM
I have a Asus A7v133 and took the risk of buying an XP 2000+
thourobred and so far its worked like a treat, I can run FB at excellent with a gf4 4200 at 40 - 50 fps, cpu is running at about 40 - 45c with stock cooling fan my psu is only a 250w but that also hasn't caused any probs so far.

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