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eXtra_Corrosiv
06-16-2004, 04:30 PM
hey,

you guys get me all excited to go and fly this trashheap, thing rolls over about as ggod as an enron 401k.

i was trying to get away from the 109k that was withering me, and i couldnt do it. These things are a joke, even for a **** pilot like me. slow and lumbering.

now i know where lucas got the idea for the y-wing.

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eXtra_Corrosiv
06-16-2004, 04:30 PM
hey,

you guys get me all excited to go and fly this trashheap, thing rolls over about as ggod as an enron 401k.

i was trying to get away from the 109k that was withering me, and i couldnt do it. These things are a joke, even for a **** pilot like me. slow and lumbering.

now i know where lucas got the idea for the y-wing.

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45

BS87
06-16-2004, 04:35 PM
The p38 is awsome, if you learn how to use it. Apparently, you have no interest in doing so.

DeerHunterUK
06-16-2004, 04:39 PM
The P-38 is an absolute blast in FR servers but not too hot in a padlock\external views allowed server. Definitely 1 of my fav mounts when I'm in a FR server.

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eXtra_Corrosiv
06-16-2004, 04:43 PM
maybe i was too quick to judge but the AI 109ks shredded me.

the p38 is a boat. p-39 is way better

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
06-16-2004, 04:44 PM
I agree with learning how to fly it. I wasnt to good at it, but then again Im no good DFer, but I can destroy any target on the ground in that baby.

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arcadeace
06-16-2004, 04:46 PM
Its BnZ. Learn to use the trim. And get over provokative thread titles.

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BpGemini
06-16-2004, 04:47 PM
You can do some wicked things in the P-38L with the airbrake.

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Udidtoo
06-16-2004, 04:52 PM
" p38 fanboys aren't sane"


You say that like its a bad thing?

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Bull_dog_
06-16-2004, 04:54 PM
Good lighting pilots can tear you up if you are flying historical planesets... the J rules the roost in 43 servers if flown right. I don't think the L is as good as it should be against 44 aircraft though.

Even in Cockpit off servers...if your flying against Fw A-4-6 or G2 and G6, a J model can and will hold its own no problem. The J can outclimb the Fw and turn with it and it is faster down low than the 109's and you can turn to engage in head on fashion if you put enough distance between you and the enemy

Historically, the L was an excellent dogfighter, but wasn't utilized that way by late war due to the Mustang...but it could have done a great job. In FB, there is no boost (there is debate over this, but flight Journal magazine states J/L models had Water injection) and I don't think the rate of roll is quite good enough with powerboost.

Many pilots accounts stated that if an L got on your six, it was very difficult to remove it from that postion.

Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 05:02 PM
The P-38 doesn't have a great top speed. It has three "fuselages" dragging in the wind and only two engines pushing them, whereas most planes have one engine and one fuselage. That's why it's slow.

However, it's a great plane in other respects. AMAZING range (not important in game, but in real life it mattered). Awesome capacity for ground-pounding (two 1000-lb bombs and 10 HVARs? Sign me up).

I'm not very good with it air-to-air, so I'll leave those comments to others. But I love it for ripping up ground targets. Those 1000-lb bombs are one of the only bombs that can blow up tanks without a direct hit. Drop the pair in the center of a tank "diamond" formation and you just might kill all four. And if any survive, it's HVAR time.

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Gibbage1
06-16-2004, 07:31 PM
The P-38 is more for the educated pilot. If you wanna T&B, pick a yak. If you wanna B&Z, pick a 190. If you wanna out think and out fly your apponent, fly a P-38!

It IS capable of staying with almost any aircraft. I can stay on a well flown Ki-84 easy. 109's are sometimes a problem if he is a good pilot. 190's it also depends on the pilot. The only aircraft I fear are Yak's and La's. Zero's are bait, and 110's are laughable.

You need to employ energy fighting, good tactics, and conserve your energy. I find that after a few turns, the enemy runs out of energ a LOT faster then the P-38 and I can overshoot him if I am not careful (airbrakes help out a LOT). Also teamwork helps out a lot. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I fly mostly P-38's online now, and some P-63's. I get about a 3/1 or 4/1 kill ratio if I dont get cocky. Thats against 109's, Ki's and Fw-190's in FR servers like Greater Green or War Clouds.

Its an aircraft that rewards the skilled pilot.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

HellToupee
06-16-2004, 08:52 PM
wouldnt call 110s laughable, sure you can get on their six no probs but thats right where they wants ya :P.

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geetarman
06-16-2004, 08:55 PM
I fly it all the time OL. A couple of points about it that make it my favorite:

1. You'll survive longer than a single engine plane (i.e. two engines and durable)

2. It carries alot of ammo (my main gripe with the Spit).

3. It fly's great at slow speed and won't stall easy.

4. The firepower is great.

5. It's fast enough.

6. You got a decent view out of the 'pit (big problem I have with the German planes).

7. Can easily handle most 190's, Zero's, Mustangs and T-bolts. Little harder with Franks and 109's. Pretty tough to consistently beat La's and Yak's.

8. Fly faster and smarter than your opponent. Actually with the way this games works in total, you're best bet is to attack as follows:

Use speed and vertical manuevers to get on your enemy's six. Spray the fifties at long disatnce to cause hits. I've found most of the German, Jap., and Russian planes start really having flight problems when hit by even slight fire. Once wounded, the 38 can easily close, stay with and finish off the other plane

BS87
06-16-2004, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HellToupee:
wouldnt call 110s laughable, sure you can get on their six no probs but thats right where they wants ya :P.

http://lamppost.mine.nu/ahclan/files/sigs/spitwhiners1.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Until the Hispano breaks the plane in half.

Gibbage1
06-16-2004, 10:05 PM
Ya. 110's were once a priblem. Then everyone learned to beat them. The 110 is slow enouh that you can do slashing attacks. Also I peg it with the hispano's from a good distance. With 2.02, I first kill the gunner, then I kill the engines. I call the P-38 and the P-51 D-20 the "Pick your part" aircraft. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Because you can really pick what you want to kill now if your aim is good.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HellToupee:
wouldnt call 110s laughable, sure you can get on their six no probs but thats right where they wants ya :P.

http://lamppost.mine.nu/ahclan/files/sigs/spitwhiners1.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Until the Hispano breaks the plane in half.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

mortoma
06-16-2004, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:
maybe i was too quick to judge but the AI 109ks shredded me.

the p38 is a boat. p-39 is way better

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You need practice, that's all. The AI set on ace can't beat me in any plane against any plane I choose to fly. Or very seldom anyway. Everyone has been at the point you are at one time or another. Believe me, ace AI in this game is easily beatable. I can get ace 109s of any stripe in QMB when flying the P-38.

Korolov
06-17-2004, 12:10 AM
See this (http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/p38vsk4track.zip) track for a show on how to defeat four ace AI Bf-109K-4s in QMB. Note that this track was taken in 2.0 - so I don't know if it will work with the current versions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mitlov47:

The P-38 doesn't have a great top speed. It has three "fuselages" dragging in the wind and only two engines pushing them, whereas most planes have one engine and one fuselage. That's why it's slow.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe for a 1944 or a 1945 aircraft, it could be considered slow. But I usually don't have any problems when trying to extend or otherwise use the speed to get away. I believe the general idea is to let it's acceleration get you out of a jam, and when you can accelerate no more, come back around and make your opponent loose his energy while you retain yours. I've done this several times before.

One of the best ways to fly the P-38 is in the realm of 400-500kmh IAS (about 300mph on the in-cockpit speed indicator.) The plane becomes very stable and can outmanuver most opponents at this speed. Plus, the faster you go, the better your roll rate gets. Works wonders if you're facing a 109.

I must admit though, the P-38 takes a lot of dedication and experience to fly. You could call it the equivalent of a USAAF Bf-109. Problem is, 109 jocks in this game have had a lot more time to master their rides.

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Biloxi72
06-17-2004, 07:00 AM
S!
I will agree with everyones post above on having to practice and have patience with the Lightning. At first i was totally discouraged when flying it, that i switched to the Jug for a while.But once you learn its limits in terms of compression and how to boom and extend with it, the plane is a lot of fun.
It has forced me to become a very patient pilot when setting up my attacks. Last night i flew around on WC44 for 25 minutes without firing a shot, because i could get into the best position for my plane on the enemy. When i did get a good chance i got a kill fairly easy(though the dispersion fix will be great when it becomes official) When i messed up my second chance against a 109K i kept right on diving to the deck full throttle and ran for home. He took some pot shots at me, no hits and i let friends take him out cuz he fixated on getting my big old easy kill hehe.
Take the time to learn to fly it right(which i am still doing) and she is a very good plane even if slightly over matched by the late war german craft.

Tully__
06-17-2004, 07:02 AM
I'm no great pilot, but flown right the P-38 is near untouchable, it retains e real nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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